Joymax getting it hard?

ranger4life · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 2526 **Location:**

yeah im happy that their atleast trying. but some other companies like jagex even tho a better job. which really kinda disappoints me

Post · **Posted:** Sat May 17, 2008 5:24 pm

They don't seem to do much to stop bots, even if the bot programers are fast of the mark and updates the bots to keep the cycle going (patch> update>crack>bot). It not hard to spot and track bots. Just look at the botter way points, standing on the same spot, moving along the same path for pots, repairs and to and from trainning area's etc. A simple line of code could catch the way points and if the bot programers started to set up random way points to reduce the tracking. Just check the amount of time a botter grinds for. Most grinders (in my view) would find it hard to grind 5 to 10+ hours aday let alone 10 to 24 hours. Some mite say account sharing, rubbish (just a few points will joymax enforce?):

Quote:

User shall not illegally use other's accounts.

Users are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of their own accounts and all relevant responsibilities attached to their accounts.

In cases users do not violate any rules or regulations, the Operations Team will not intervene disputes between users.

Account theft/hacking is defined as illegal appropriation or destruction of computerizes data sent or received. The hacking/account theft usually occurs by negligent management by the user of his own account information.

The Operations Team will not offer services regarding account theft/hacking for the time being for the purpose of providing better service in the future.

Gold from (gold) botters is moved to and from accounts to sell in the millions and billions, transfers of large amount of gold could be tracked.

Server side protection (vs bots) mite be a better option than client side detection as client side it to easy to crack. Its harder to crack code you don't have access to.

Imho if they (joymax) can't stop the bots (I don't think they try as hard as they could and should) then removing the ill earned gains from those abusers would be justice served in my view (just 2 examples there could be many more)i.e:

1) A player bots for levels and comes back to find no EXP/SXP gain but loss of EXP/SXP even sets, items and gold gone

2) A player buys gold only to have it removed from their accounts. This would make most gold buying players think before buying gold. I bet most would charge back and could force prices of gold up

The seller(s) mite be forced to leave this game due to the costs and or the options (being removed) to receive payment for gold :love:

crazy_foo · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 1387 **Location:**

They aren't really trying hard, that's that.

Anotherplyer · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 291 **Location:** WoE

Boiler wrote:

if they where trying there wouldnt be any bots. :roll:

but since they cant be all gone, but at least much less

Burningwolf · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2583 **Location:** :|

off topic:
the title makes me lol

LaloHao · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1987 **Location:** Mexico

Burningwolf wrote:

off topic:
the title makes me lol

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Entangle · **Posted:** Sat May 17, 2008 8:45 pm

When they last did a bot ban, in 2 minutes the servers were full again :roll:

and you expect cut them some slack? LOL.

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

At least they are now acknowledging that they have a problem and are pretending to try and fix it, its the first step in joymax actually trying.

borat2 · **Posted:** Sat May 17, 2008 9:10 pm

@topic starter you might want to read viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75666

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

If Joymax was trying hard they'd fix the no-log-in disconnection, the numerous other bugs, off party clerics and the damned memory leak.

Joymax is NOT trying, unless you're referring to getting as much money as possible (Which is the point anyway..).

Mcclane · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1027 **Location:**

it would be so easy to block the gold bots with a ip ban, shows how hard they are working

Shynygamie · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 688 **Location:**

Toshiharu wrote:

They created an in game 'bot' to aviod it, but failed and all mightly WoW has bots that make the cap and never get caught.

WoW does not have 1 single hacker or bot. You get banned immediately for cheating.

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

OK!!! Finally someone that says it. If you hate the company and don't like the game, then quit and stop b1tching and whining like my 1 year old niece. (who I love, but good example.) Playing the game and b1tching about it is pretty retarded of you. Yes I agree that they could do a better job, but at least it's something, and most of the people that complain make it seem so bad. But if you look at other games, they have the same problem and it's on going. They just haven't found a suitable means yet. With clientless bots, theoretically all they really need to do is find people without a Gui. Other bots are a different story. Give them a ..... break already or quit play this "piece oh sh1t" game

ping_lo · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 911 **Location:**

Blackdragon6 wrote:

OK!!! Finally someone that says it. If you hate the company and don't like the game, then quit and stop b1tching and whining like my 1 year old niece. (who I love, but good example.) Playing the game and b1tching about it is pretty retarded of you. Yes I agree that they could do a better job, but at least it's something, and most of the people that complain make it seem so bad. But if you look at other games, they have the same problem and it's on going. They just haven't found a suitable means yet. With clientless bots, theoretically all they really need to do is find people without a Gui. Other bots are a different story. Give them a ..... break already or quit play this "piece oh sh1t" game

I have played many F2P MMO and while they all had their flaws their operators properly and adequately addressed them. To date I have yet to see or hear of another company milking flaws created by their own lazieness the way joymax has. I have played SRO since 2005 and I have quit it as well. Listen now listen well. What part of having to restart from the desktop every time the server is busy and joymax not fixing it over the last three years sounds like they are trying? How are they trying when they cant manage to ban 100 accounts a month when you could do it on your server name daily? What makes it seem like they are trying when most of their former staff speaks out against them. Not only that but many of them left because the company was specifically not trying. What part of the staff shrinking down to one antisocial employee in the US office sounds like trying. Joymax has never tried and never will. Joymax ignores their own rules. It does not matter how long you have played or whether you still currently do. Everyone is justified and within their rights to grief joymax 24/7

WinterSkye · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 22 **Location:** Oregon

I didnt go through off of this thread, because im lazy and im tired and its too much to read due to that.

However, what many fail to realize is that Joymax is NOT the only MMORPG having this problem, ALL, almost anyways of the MMORPG companies are haviing hacker/bot issues. They are all having troubles, you notice it if you go to one of the websites of the gold bots, hopefully I wont get in trouble but try goldceo.com. You get the list of games right there.

I have played on another rpg for about 3 years, every time a bot patch and update came out, within hours to a few days, new bots were out. I hear GameGaurd isnt on, but if you think about it... if they turned it on and used it, you think bots really wouldnt happen? They would, hackers will find ways around it.

You cant just blame joymax, other companies have this issue. I blame more the ones buying the gold, the gold farmers and places such as paypal, their hosting companies and such not wonder wtf is going on.

Paypal, they likely violated their agreement, this would be almost as fraud, for making money off another company without their permission. I wonder if paypal would revoke their accts.

The hosting companies and the domain, dunno much about the hosts but I wouldnt be suprised if they were violating those agreements too, and ten the domain, how much you wanna bet none of them are up to par with the icann agreement.

Sometimes, i swear, we should run our own gold farming bots and sell 100mill gold for a buck. Be the gold farming dollar store, this would seriously run them all out of biz.

But anyways, there are some legal things they could possibly do to stop this, but its a lot of work if there is only a few staffing and no one knows any legal info.

I duno, last part was ranting thoughts, anyways, like I say, joymax is only one of a LOT of companies with bot problems and problems banning them.

Wow, I type to much, going to bed :twisted:

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

ping_lo wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:

OK!!! Finally someone that says it. If you hate the company and don't like the game, then quit and stop b1tching and whining like my 1 year old niece. (who I love, but good example.) Playing the game and b1tching about it is pretty retarded of you. Yes I agree that they could do a better job, but at least it's something, and most of the people that complain make it seem so bad. But if you look at other games, they have the same problem and it's on going. They just haven't found a suitable means yet. With clientless bots, theoretically all they really need to do is find people without a Gui. Other bots are a different story. Give them a ..... break already or quit play this "piece oh sh1t" game

I have played many F2P MMO and while they all had their flaws their operators properly and adequately addressed them. To date I have yet to see or hear of another company milking flaws created by their own lazieness the way joymax has. I have played SRO since 2005 and I have quit it as well. Listen now listen well. What part of having to restart from the desktop every time the server is busy and joymax not fixing it over the last three years sounds like they are trying? How are they trying when they cant manage to ban 100 accounts a month when you could do it on your server name daily? What makes it seem like they are trying when most of their former staff speaks out against them. Not only that but many of them left because the company was specifically not trying. What part of the staff shrinking down to one antisocial employee in the US office sounds like trying. Joymax has never tried and never will. Joymax ignores their own rules. It does not matter how long you have played or whether you still currently do. Everyone is justified and within their rights to grief joymax 24/7

Well pretty much all of the people that comlain about them and say what a sh1tty job they are doing still play the game. Which in turn makes them *Hippocrites

I think they could do a better job as well, but I'm not complaining seeing as how they banned some. Which is better than none Might I add.

ShadowsGuardian · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 34 **Location:** australia

lol joymax supplies the bots thats why all of the sun botting players on xian are still there because they pay

theblindarcher · **Posted:** Sun May 18, 2008 3:26 am

Look i like thinkin of it like this we are sorta the parents and joymax is the little bitch kid that wont listin to their parents

magisuns · **Posted:** Sun May 18, 2008 3:54 am

if jm wasnt slacking it would only b legits

but then does jm get much money? nope...

Naoto · **Posted:** Sun May 18, 2008 11:20 am

Why are people blaming gold bots?

I'd be pointing the blame to the people who actually buy gold. Gold bot companies would not exist of people did not buy gold from them.

People seem to raise prices because they know lots of people buy gold. They know they can sell it for more because of that fact. Forcing others to buy gold just to keep up with the market, should they actually want to buy semi-decent gear.
Yes, I know there are ways to make gold easy the legit way, but for some it just doesn't seem to work :cry:

Anyway, all I am saying is that people seem to be pointing fingers 100% at Joymax, yet forget who the real people Farking up this game are.

ping_lo · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 911 **Location:**

Blackdragon6 wrote:

ping_lo wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:

OK!!! Finally someone that says it. If you hate the company and don't like the game, then quit and stop b1tching and whining like my 1 year old niece. (who I love, but good example.) Playing the game and b1tching about it is pretty retarded of you. Yes I agree that they could do a better job, but at least it's something, and most of the people that complain make it seem so bad. But if you look at other games, they have the same problem and it's on going. They just haven't found a suitable means yet. With clientless bots, theoretically all they really need to do is find people without a Gui. Other bots are a different story. Give them a ..... break already or quit play this "piece oh sh1t" game

I have played many F2P MMO and while they all had their flaws their operators properly and adequately addressed them. To date I have yet to see or hear of another company milking flaws created by their own lazieness the way joymax has. I have played SRO since 2005 and I have quit it as well. Listen now listen well. What part of having to restart from the desktop every time the server is busy and joymax not fixing it over the last three years sounds like they are trying? How are they trying when they cant manage to ban 100 accounts a month when you could do it on your server name daily? What makes it seem like they are trying when most of their former staff speaks out against them. Not only that but many of them left because the company was specifically not trying. What part of the staff shrinking down to one antisocial employee in the US office sounds like trying. Joymax has never tried and never will. Joymax ignores their own rules. It does not matter how long you have played or whether you still currently do. Everyone is justified and within their rights to grief joymax 24/7

Well pretty much all of the people that comlain about them and say what a sh1tty job they are doing still play the game. Which in turn makes them *Hippocrites

I think they could do a better job as well, but I'm not complaining seeing as how they banned some. Which is better than none Might I add.

Nah that is not hipocracy. Hipocracy is complaining about player bots or gold bots while botting or buying gold yourself.

Post · **Posted:** Sun May 18, 2008 12:17 pm

ping_lo wrote:

Nah that is not hipocracy. Hipocracy is complaining about player bots or gold bots while botting or buying gold yourself.

Burningwolf · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2583 **Location:** :|

Post wrote:

ping_lo wrote:

Nah that is not hipocracy. Hipocracy is complaining about player bots or gold bots while botting or buying gold yourself.

Azilius · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 4236 **Location:** CS:GO

Shynygamie wrote:

Toshiharu wrote:

They created an in game 'bot' to aviod it, but failed and all mightly WoW has bots that make the cap and never get caught.

WoW does not have 1 single hacker or bot. You get banned immediately for cheating.

WoW DOES have bots, there were a few videos posted on SRF even showing them.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Azilius wrote:

Shynygamie wrote:

Toshiharu wrote:

They created an in game 'bot' to aviod it, but failed and all mightly WoW has bots that make the cap and never get caught.

WoW does not have 1 single hacker or bot. You get banned immediately for cheating.

WoW DOES have bots, there were a few videos posted on SRF even showing them.

Blizzard sues bot makers and bans bots. Joymax just puts up a facade.

WinterSkye · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 22 **Location:** Oregon

if you go to one of the goldbotter sites, goldceo.com for example, you will notice the list of games on the left menu. Wow, is included for EU and US servers. They are selling gold from there, so they must be bottiing pretty hard.

MANY games having this problem, I dont think anyone has been able to find a good solution. Soon as you change the programming, within hours a new bot will be created to take over. If you turn on gamegard (I hear its not on possibly) it wont take long for a hacker to find a way around it.

I am a vidster on another game, we review bot videos and recommend with 2 or more vidsters approvals to "botjail" botters. Ive seen how quickly new programs come out. They have put in a new, patch that would block the bots and within 2-72 hours, new ones are there. They have bots for leveling, plvln, and various attack bots, speeding as well.

Its not as easy as some people may think. They do however, need more GMs on the servers, this takes money that they may not be willing to spend.

Kaigar · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 252 **Location:** Australia

WinterSkye wrote:

if you go to one of the goldbotter sites, goldceo.com for example, you will notice the list of games on the left menu. Wow, is included for EU and US servers. They are selling gold from there, so they must be bottiing pretty hard.

I was under the impression that the gold farmers in WoW were actually chinese people in sweat shops.

MrTwilliger · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 1374 **Location:** Hiding

Barotix wrote:

Blizzard sues bot makers and bans bots. Joymax just puts up a facade.

Wow is a play to pay mmo. They need to have good customer service or else people wont play to pay their game in the first place. If their game isn't good, people wont play it.

SRO is a free mmo. People can play for free whenever they want to. If the service is bad customers can simply say "its free so i can;t complain".

Thats the difference between free and p2p mmo's. One needs customer support to survive, one doesn't.

Axeoo7 · **Posted:** Mon May 19, 2008 2:29 pm

They only ban bots when there is an update/cap increase happening to draw in new fish they have been using the same tactics the past two years.

F-22 · **Posted:** Mon May 19, 2008 2:47 pm

all of you cry babies stop whinning. If you dont like sro then quit. If you think joymax is lazy and dont give you enough services then why are you still here playing sro?

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