Giant vs. Ironwall shield

Crni_Vatreni · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

BaronSengir wrote:

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what kinda sro are you playing? bicheon ONLY BLOCKS PHYSICAL attacks whereas heuskal ONLY BLOCKS MAGICAL

nukes dont use physical attack so giant shield is void if you use it dont give me that bullshit that it blocks a lot

That really made me laugh. Look mate, it's as simple as this:

Shield can block a nuke. Do you agree?
if you increase ur shield's br, IT WILL HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE OF BLOCKING A NUKE.
Please, but pleaseeeeeee, dont talk about things u dont know shit about. And ƒuck your expirience. I woulda rape u @ pvp.

you would rape me in pvp? LOL ..... hardly buddy first of all your too noob to know that giant shield doesnt help block nukes and second too bad i dont want to post all my gear and the gold i have you would end up calling me a gold buyer ROFL

edit yeah you will rape me alright with this HAHAHHAAHHAHA pshhhh
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=29036

1stly, that aint my char anymore, buddy. 2ndly, u dont have any arguments about A SHIELD NOT BLOCKING A NUKE. So keep ur mouth shut and also keep ur personal expirience for urself, cuz no1 here gives a shit about a shittalker like u, spreading his theory using JM's bad skill descriptions.

BaronSengir · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 654 **Location:** Earth

lol and you think people give a shit about your remarks? you have arguments? lets see you back it up with some facts, until then you can keep your mouth shut

SykoAzn · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 158 **Location:**

If you plan on pvping a lot. And you KNOW that you will get 1 hit by say, prick. you should get it IMO. And especially against maddening. At level 42 with 5/6 sos gear, I STILL get 1 hit by maddening sometimes. And with those high crit %'s you die most of the time with castle shield.

Giant shield protects you from:
High Crit attacks (prick / maddening)
High level physical attackers (common in job wars. Usually glaivers, 2h warriors, rogues, bowman)

That's my opinion

I'm getting both.

BaronSengir · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 654 **Location:** Earth

yup but some people think giant shield protects you from magical attacks LOL

Crni_Vatreni · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

BaronSengir wrote:

lol and you think people give a shit about your remarks? you have arguments? lets see you back it up with some facts, until then you can keep your mouth shut

The Giant Shield increases ur BR, u DUMB FCK. U can block a nuke too, how fcking hard for you is to understand that? Ur IQ matches ur shoe size? FACTS.

BaronSengir · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 654 **Location:** Earth

look retard your the only one that thinks giant shield increases block on magical attacks now unless you have some magical version of isro shut the hell up and stop giving false information to people

Crni_Vatreni · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

BaronSengir wrote:

look retard your the only one that thinks giant shield increases block on magical attacks now unless you have some magical version of isro shut the hell up and stop giving false information to people

yeh, like, u got 2 ppl lvl4x to agree with you. The only one who is retarded here is the one who thinks 2 guys supporting him makes the whole thing truth.

I dont think giant shield increases block on magical attacks.
It increases BR OF YOU SHIELD, WHICH ALSO BLOCKS NUKES.

How fckin old r u, 9?

phulshof · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 1137 **Location:**

Please keep the discussion civil people. We can argue based on logic all we want, but it's not going to help us here, and insulting each other will certainly not be helpful. I'll try to make some time free in the next few days to run some tests in pvp. I'm sure I can find a nuker or wizard willing to kill me a bunch of times.

Appelkompot · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 110 **Location:**

no you dont need it really

Crni_Vatreni · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

phulshof wrote:

Please keep the discussion civil people. We can argue based on logic all we want, but it's not going to help us here, and insulting each other will certainly not be helpful. I'll try to make some time free in the next few days to run some tests in pvp. I'm sure I can find a nuker or wizard willing to kill me a bunch of times.

Right. I'm sorry. I'll behave.

Imma make a pvp vid. I'll ask all of my buddies to meet me and nuke me (most of the pure str's have lvl1 nukes too, just for fun lol as for pure int's, I'll ask them to nuke w/o weapons, in order not to kill me. Then I'll fraps; 1st without, then with giant shield on, AND I'll turn the sound on, so u can hear; 1st less, then more BLING BLING BLING BLING.

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

The reason I say its not worth skilling, is because in my own experiance I have not found it very usfull, like most things on sro, if you have the sp get it

otherwise from my personal experiance as a nuker, it hasnt helpled, but Crni_Vatreni beats me on experiance with regards to shield users, BaronSengir DOES have a valid point, the Bloody fan storm series from Huek claims to increase BR by 18% or w/e, but it can only block magical attacks, like nukes, not physical attacks, or physical attacks with an imbue, so logicaly it would mean that giant shield only blocks physical attacks, but Joymax arnt very clear, like on fan storm it says it blocks all, when in reality, it doesnt

it would be very hard to prove if giant shield does or does not exclusilvy block phy attacks, as there is an equal chance the skill blocks it as the shield it self does!

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

I didn't feel like reading through this whole post so I dont know if anyone else has said it yet but both of them only effect physical attacks so Ironwall is better. I can't log in right now to get a screenshot to prove but it the skill description says it only blocks phy attacks.

foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

the skill does say increaces physical block rate, but how would that even work with any weapon skill plus imbue, that just doesn't make sense

this actually has my interest now, how about instead of argueing we try to figure it out for sure, i don't got a bich user high lvl enough any more to use mt or giant

DeathBeforeDishonor · **Posted:** Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:53 am

I guess the only way to settle this is someone video thier char
blocking a nuke or get screenies or what ever. Lol I didn't think
this topic would start such a debate haha.

foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

DeathBeforeDishonor wrote:

I guess the only way to settle this is someone video thier char
blocking a nuke or get screenies or what ever. Lol I didn't think
this topic would start such a debate haha.

problem is you can already naturally block a nuke, a video would be hard to do, we'd have to record some taking 100 nukes and then 100 nukes with mt/giant on, do it 3 times both ways and compare averages

PuffZMagicDragon! · **Joined:** Aug 2008 **Posts:** 95 **Location:**

Whops...

Crni_Vatreni · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 468 **Location:**

foudre wrote:

DeathBeforeDishonor wrote:

I guess the only way to settle this is someone video thier char
blocking a nuke or get screenies or what ever. Lol I didn't think
this topic would start such a debate haha.

problem is you can already naturally block a nuke, a video would be hard to do, we'd have to record some taking 100 nukes and then 100 nukes with mt/giant on, do it 3 times both ways and compare averages

I'll do it. Just gimme some time.

I'll find 10 ppl to nuke me w/o weapons for 15 secs. First w/o, then w/ giant shield. Then u count the number or blocks. Or turn the speakers on, u can clearly say more or less blocks just by the sound of it. Will be @ youtube soon.

fckerr · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 1914 **Location:** Bulgaria

BaronSengir wrote:

maybe if you play the game more you would have known the heuskal uses bloody demon storm which blocks magical attacks

Block ratio on 2hand weapon just decreases the block of the opponent if he has a shield, noop

Shadow · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1039 **Location:** lolwut

fckerr wrote:

BaronSengir wrote:

maybe if you play the game more you would have known the heuskal uses bloody demon storm which blocks magical attacks

Block ratio on 2hand weapon just decreases the block of the opponent if he has a shield, noop

You misunderstood him. Bloody Demon Storm is a spear skill, which gives block ratio for 15 seconds. It has nothing to do with alchemy blues.

fckerr · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 1914 **Location:** Bulgaria

Shadow wrote:

fckerr wrote:

BaronSengir wrote:

maybe if you play the game more you would have known the heuskal uses bloody demon storm which blocks magical attacks

Block ratio on 2hand weapon just decreases the block of the opponent if he has a shield, noop

You misunderstood him. Bloody Demon Storm is a spear skill, which gives block ratio for 15 seconds. It has nothing to do with alchemy blues.

Yes sure, block ratio but how could he block with spear?
The mag def increase buff is better

Mishiru · **Posted:** Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:08 pm

ironwall shield

is the best

Shadow · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1039 **Location:** lolwut

fckerr wrote:

Yes sure, block ratio but how could he block with spear?
The mag def increase buff is better

He could block with a spear because that the skill "Demon Bloody Storm" allows him to.. *sigh*
And yeah, mag defence buff seems better.

jyushinshuu · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 1235 **Location:**

PuffZMagicDragon! wrote:

Whops...

ahmmmm..... you were saying Crni_Vatreni?

phulshof · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 1137 **Location:**

jyushinshuu wrote:

PuffZMagicDragon! wrote:

Whops...

ahmmmm..... you were saying Crni_Vatreni?

Well, it wouldn't be the first translation Joymax farked up.

All therapy circles claim not to work against champions, but the higher ones certainly do.

In this case however, my first tests seem to indicate that BaronSengir was right. I had a cleric hit me repeatedly with his normal attack, and only 1/4 - 1/3 of the shots were blocked. I'll run some more tests over the weekend, but for now I'm inclined to believe BaronSengir. I'll let you know when I've run more tests.

foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

no sense in flaming when testing could be done, if cigi makes his video like he said he would following my guildlines of 3 tests both ways the averages could be easily tested, compared, and we should get an answer

DeathBeforeDishonor · **Posted:** Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:23 am

Anyone made/making a video, I'm really interested if it blocks them or not.
I think it does personally.

phulshof · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 1137 **Location:**

I'm not sure if a video has been made yet, but all my tests so far indicate that it does not block them. I spent last night killing mages and shamans, and their (magical) attacks are not blocked at a higher rate when I activate the skill than without it.

DeathBeforeDishonor · **Posted:** Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:46 am

Anyone got video proof yet?

PeroMed · **Joined:** Aug 2008 **Posts:** 107 **Location:** Slovenia

If he will see he is wrong he wont post the video
and he will never post in this thread again!:D

DeathBeforeDishonor · **Posted:** Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:21 am

PeroMed wrote:

If he will see he is wrong he wont post the video
and he will never post in this thread again!:D

Lol >.<

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