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My prb is this:
Full str archer lvl 66 ( bow 64+5, clothes whit at least +3 str/int)- bow mastery 65 FULL , fire mastery 48 !!
Hybrid archer 70:70 nacked( 79:80 whit gear) lvl 67 ( bow 64+4, clothes whit at least +3 str/int)- bow mastery 65 FULL ,light 63 full.

At this lvl they the hybrid just do like 5%- 10% more then the full str in average damage( and the hybrid is farmed !) and much weaker in CRT- strong bow crt for str is 17k- 13-14k for hybrid.

Where did i go wrong ? Or is the hybrid better at cap 90 , cause if not ... it ain`t worth to continue as at hybrid i depend on Snow shiled!

Big thanks anticipated. No flame plz ..both of my char are mine.

A pure str's crit is always much higher then a hybrid. Yet the hybrids normal attacks will be stronger.

Firstly thanks a lot for posting your observations. I myself was wondering about these 2 exact builds. The base damage for a hybrid will always be higher than full str. But critical attacks are physical attacks that are doubled, so thats why the str crits are so high cuz str deal higher physical attacks.

If you were to add up all the attacks done by both chars over a period to time they would be similar.. based on what I said above. Since their accumulated damage would be very similar then I think you should worry about the survivability of each of them. Find out which one last longer in a fight and why....then choose the one that comes out on top when pitted with a variety of opponents.

That's not true. And I believe a pure STR's crit will never be "much higher" than a hybrid's one. I'll refer you to this topic to read these replies: viewtopic.php?p=1104043#p1104043 I'm waiting for you to share your conclusions about that if you will.


@smoti
Your problem are your masteries. The hybrid 70:70 bow should be something like 90pacheon/90fire/60light/60cold. The full str archer is sort of okay anyways.

I was away for a while from forums...
I don;t know about this metods of calculating crits and damage ..butwhat i can tell u for sure is that at this lvl 66-67 the str does a lot more damage in critical. And if u sum the damage after 15-20 skill ...if u have good crt bow...the str do a lot more dmg ! i can;t post creens of both char ..cause one is already lvl 70 now soo...
I chose hybrid because of snow shield ..i can tank better then pure str ...that is for sure( but of course ..only when i have snow shield activated ).
i woul sugest to all go hybrid str like 2 str+ 1int whit light and cold for defence( do not pass lvl 35 snow shield ...u will remain without mana). I think this build is better...that's what i am doing right now ..looking for 80:70 nacked balance in favour of str. Better crits..
thx for reply guys

^ I already said the reason why (imo) there's that big damage difference:

If the hybrid had correct masteries I seriously doubt the pure str would deal more much more damage when criting.

If the hybrid had correct masteries I seriously doubt the pure str would deal more much more damage when criting.[/quote]

i cannot afor to go fire:
1. to much sp
2. just for imbue ? at lvl 32 i have 5% phy damage increase + passive 3-4 % ? don;t remember
3. i need light, cold and pacheon mastery ...at 300 mastery limit ..i need speed and high defence and magic boost as i already have a lot of int..

As u say whit fire mastery u must be from lvl 1 to lvl 90 str 2 - 1 int ..i am not like that i have more int. So i guess it's the only way for me now ; i have to go 2str- 1 int from now on ..whit light imbue. at least i will have better crt then now.

A pure int bow can deal maximum 1.6 times more dmg than a str bow in normal dmg (because his bow power magic=1.6*physic) so of course 2x physic is a lot stronger
Moreover you lack physic buff

Hybrid suck at late cap btw

The phy damage from the pure int or hybrid bow will also get doubled. If attacking with the imbue in normal damage alone he'd deal 1.6 times more damage as you say, don't you think that those 40% left would be pretty much ignored when the phy damage from the hybrid/pure bow doubles by the crit?


Low ratio hybrids like 2:1 1:1 and so on yes. But heavy hybrids I disagree (such as 7:1 8:1..) I don't believe they'll suck at late caps.

EDIT: I may have misunderstood something you said about the damage. If that's the case then please say.

So my choises are ? :

1. Due to the low sp i have to remain 70:70 whit light and cold max
2. Put fire and dlvl light and cold as well - not to many sp as i said..
3. Start over ? i am lvl 71 ...don;t wanna do that

phy dmg from hybrid also doubled, but not as much as the pure str get. Let's say this is the distribution of dmg: (for bow mag=1.6*phy)
STR: 97%:28% balance naked => 1*0.97:1.6*0.27 => 0.97:0.448
Consider mob defense represents 0.3 of the total power and at lvl 64 the dmg bonus from reinforce give you 0.6/0.2 for str and 0.4/0.4 for hybrid
=> STR = 0.97*(1-0.3+0.6)+0.28*(1.6-0.3+0.2)=1.681
70%:70% balance => 0.7*(1-0.3+0.4)+0.7*(1.6-0.3+0.4)=1.96
So for normal attack str is lower. But for crit:
str = 0.67*2+0.148=2.942
hyb = 0.4*2+0.82=2.73

That's just an exemple, the more mob def is high, the more crit from str is higher. When def~0 hybrid crit > str crit

I see. It's almost like I thought it was, though I could never do calculations to prove it. I'm truly amazed by you NuclearSilo.

But there's only one thing that I really did not understand:

Where did you get this from? Could you explain it please?

take the str of a lvl 64 ~ 276 str, multiply with the reinforce to have the bonus dmg then compare with the power of the weapon
Ex lvl 64 bow: http://sro.mmosite.com/database/items_weapon2.shtml#5
bow power: 598
bonus: 276*1.384=382
compare: 382/598 ~ 0.63
As for the mob defense, it's subtracted after you multiply your power with you mastery.
Your total power is (598+382)*1.64=1607
A lvl 64 mob has around 450 phy def => represent 450/1607=0.28 of the total power
The dmg formula: (total power - mob def)*balance*multiplier
Because 2 chars use the same weapon, same masteries, same skills, so we only need to compare the bonus dmg from reinforce and the balance. Normally they get the same % of bonus dmg compare to the total power so only the balance affects the dmg, but because we compare crit so we have to take the physical bonus power into account

Thanks a lot NuclearSilo. I owe you one for all that information.

My curent balance nacked is [str 71:69 int]. Put only when lvl up to 71 cause i grind at nya snipers so i need some HP.
Whit clothes balance is [str 80: 81: int].
Ive seen a lvl 73 full str grinding at nya whit me ...he does like 10--15% more in critical, but his average damage was much lower ..like 20% and he had ( i can only guess) 72+3/+4 bow. Don;t know about all max skills ..but he had 5 arrow combo ...so maybe he is full farmed. He was botter only 3 buffs..speed , phy dmg increase and range skill.

So i guess i am ok ..i mean at 72 i will have at least a boost in damage from weapon...so i guess i will do the same dmg as him even in criticals.
I think i will remain 70:70 or 71:69. It;s incredible how crticals change when u are 70:70 and 71:69.U can feel the defrence. I am yet disapointed from book 4 of antidevil skill. Does no more dmg then the 3 book max ..only criticals ar higher. I think i must go whit skills that have % high ..like strong bow and explosion arrow.
Thx for replays guys . Who knows ..maybe i will be the best in the end .

Good luck.