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@Longlost let me tell it you so:
Pacheon, heuksal, bicheon = phy attack BUT NOT PHY BALANCE
Fire, lighning, ice = mag attack BUT NOT MAG BALANCE

If u lvl up u get 3 points right ? just press C then u see there a Phy balance and a Mag balance so normaly your phy balance is higher than ur mag balance BUT u have to put your points so that u get a 70:70 balance
the first lvls on my opinion was it to putt all points on int then u will have kinda 68:68 so next lvl other 3 points..... what not ? u have to put 1 on str and 2 on int then u have 69:70 next lvl u put put 2 on str and 1 on int if u do it right u will have 70:70

About the attack power....u are defintely stronger than a FULL STR... because full str have kinda 98:30 balance and phy = health and how long you can survive BUT mag = damage power !!!!
THATS why full int user like nuker do dam high damages because they have 30:98 balance but remember ? you are a 80:80 bow balance (with int and str bonus) that means u will survive pretty good and ur damage is pretty higher than a full str
BUT fire imbue is a must because fire has the highest mag damage and u need that to make ur char very strong

@Porpoise your wrong there ! full int nukers do more damage that right BUT do they srvive long enough to kill there pvp enemys ? NO they die in kinda 2 heavy hits or 1 crit hit.... hybrids are the best build but its hard to make the right build every1 have to find out what is the best build for him BUT if the game based only on PURE players.....wouldnt that be to easy ? dont u think so ? u never saw a 80:80 bow player in action right ? then trust me ur wrong there defintely.... this build works also for spear that true but it isnt that good like bow ...why ? bow got a range bonus....u will hit ur enemy dam nice before they reach u so u will have only to hit a few times more then they will die... but it depends on how ksilled u are

@koa no ! it depends on ur balance for example ur a full str and hit with crit 7000 dmg... 6000 dmg come from phy and 1000 from mag attack power
now look at str hybrid bow u get kinda 5500 dmg from phy and 1500 dmg from mag = 7000 dmg aswell so there is no different BUT if u raise ur MAG balance to 80% u will have adam nice dmgexample 80:60 hybrid = 7000dmg on crit / 5500+1500
but what about 80:80 ? 5500+5500 =11000 dmg ? haha nice huh ? ur are pretty stronger than a full str or str hybrid believe me... that is the fact


Fazit: u have to do hardcore SP farming and u have to know how to skill ur char .... recommend armor = protector find the best protector (with int and str bonus) and bow u have to have a bow with at least crit 8 dont buy a +3 bow crit 6 or so

if u dont believe me try it out i have lots of bow chars... a full str/fire/bow...hybrid/fire/bow....also full int/fire/bow...and they all sux !!! u will lose almost all pvp against full str also even against a nuker cause u cant kill him before he kills u trust me i spend a lot of time to find out the best bow build...and on my opinion its a 70:70 (later 80:80)
my friend made such a char and no1 !!! killes ysutareu so much as him and he is now one of the strongest player in his server AND i heard only 1 of 5 glaviers could kill him... so believe it or not its ur choise ... u can waste ur time on making a full/str/fire bow u will be so weak

as far as i know, a build 70:70 has 6700 HP, a pure Str has 11600 HP with 97%/28% balance, it's almost double

Let's do a little math :
For a bow, mag = 1.6 * phy power
Now let's call phy power = X , mag power = Y = 1.6X
For a pure Str bow : 97%X + 28%Y = (97 + 28*1.6)%X = 141.8X
For 70:70 build : 70%X +70%Y = (70+70*1.6)%X = 182X

so it's 182/141.8=1.28 times stronger than pure str, but have 11600/6700=0.57 time less HP than pure.

about critical, pure is (141.8+97)/(182+70)=238.8/252=0.94 time weaker

But note that your nuke is always higher than your weapon skill. So what's the use to use bow as hybrid?

jadekiss past post pls read carefully

so is crit good now?..team play and u being KD?? are u tanking???..omg i think this topic now is about the war of pure str claiming to be the best??
champion of GNGWC is a what? hybrid?...the korean / china ( i don quit remember) ppl is?? all pure??
hybrid that won the GNGWC tourney is it? why? champs said that to deal quickest highest dmg??? pls readddddddddd....

omg i donno i just think the facts is already been rubbed to the pure str faces but they just ignorant. why?..i think u all notice the facts already.

If you want to crit hard, acquire a lot amount of health points, and have an incredible physical defense, by all means, go pure strength.

If you want to do constant higher damage than a pure strength (but lower than its critical), and you do not mind sacrificing health points to do so, but keep an O-K amount of health points with an equal defense against magical and physical, go hybrid.

I'm leaning on the hybrid side, since it seems more fun.

I've played pure strength, it gets boring when only do physical attacks to do well. With hybrid I can use magical attack and physical, which gives me more options to do things.

Just because one skill supports critical, doesn't mean it's automatically a pure strength build. Look at Fire Force, it has a skill which supports shield (Fire Shield Series), but it does not mean Fire Force is shield oriented.

Hrm, please read the other posts before you repeat something that we have cleared up before. kthxbye

Okay, first. What is the date of this video? Because, through Silkroad Online's history, things change. So, if this video was submitted at a much later date, it wouldn't be accurate. Second, this hybrid is int majority, not a balance hybrid. This video pretty much render as null and void for this topic.

In a battle between which build is good, it comes down to gear, player, tactics.

It is obvious that a hybrid balance will do constant higher damage than a pure str bow, because of its magical setting. But, pure str will always crit higher.

Let's do math: Let's say the pure str does a critical hit every forth hit.
Balance Hybrid Bow: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 x 12 = 24
Pure Strength bow: 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 3 = (9 x 1) + (3 x 3) = 18

In the end, hybrid does more damage. I have a pure strength bow, with a 10 crit bow (%66), I usually get a critical every 5 hits.

so is crit good now?..team play and u being KD?? are u tanking???..omg i think this topic now is about the war of pure str claiming to be the best??
champion of GNGWC is a what? hybrid?...the korean / china ( i don quit remember) ppl is?? all pure??
hybrid that won the GNGWC tourney is it? why? champs said that to deal quickest highest dmg??? pls readddddddddd....

Rectification:
As u see the calcul of damage above, the better choice lean to pure str (0.57HP vs 1.28dmg). Pure int at lvl 70 has 3489 HP, can easily die from 1-2 skill of pure str. So why ppl choose it?
Because u all forget about the gear which is as imporpant as the build. U can add total max 55Str/55Int in your gear + 600HP from stone that add HP. So this will gonna change everything.

Pure Str : 14363 HP - 109%/46% balance str/int
Pure Int : 6246 HP - 64%/113% balance str/int
70:70 after wearing gear : 9383 HP - 81%/87% balance str/int

Again, i will play with math :
Pure Str : 109X + 46Y = (109 + 46*1.6)X = 182.6X. Critical => 291.6X
Pure Int : 64X + 113Y = (64 + 113*1.6)X = 224.8X. Critical => 308.8
70:70 : 81X + 87Y = (81 + 87*1.6)X = 220.2X. Critical => 301.2X.

Comparison:
- Critical is almost the same.
Another thing i want to mention is %mastery increase and %reinforce increase.
- 1% from mag > 1% from phy
- In every weapon, %mag reinforce always > %phy reinforce. If u dont know what reinforce is for, referer to here http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... =reinforce
But i dont want to talk much about reinforce, this is very complicated. So we stay at %mastery increase.

Thier new power with +%mastery will be : (assuming lv70 = max)
Pure Str : 310.4X
Pure Int : 382.1X
70:70 : 374.3X

Final comparison :
(70:70/pure Str)
- dmg 382.1/310.4 = 1.23
- HP 9383/14363 = 0.65

(70:70/pure Int)
- dmg 374.3/382.1 = 0.98
- HP 9383/6246 = 1.5

Comment :
- 70:70 is almost as strong as pure Int, but has great advantage on HP coz 1.5 times higher.
- with Str, dmg vs HP, HP is still more important. But as i said before, i didnt count the reinforce and the defence of the gear. Note that Str has very weak defence against magic. U wouldnt deal the same damage on pure int.
- another thing must be mentioned is the HP regeneration rate. Players use the same HP pots so the rate is the same. But this rate affect your damage and your survival. Dont think that a glaiver with 15k HP can own a hybrid spear with 10k HP just because he has 1.5x times more HP. NO, that's not the survival work.
For exemple, your dmg rate is 2k dmg/s, but my HP regen rate is 2k HP/s.
So mathemathically u could never kill me. If my dmg is 1.25x higher = 2.5k dmg/s, i could kill u in 30s (if u have 15k HP).
If u know who will win, no matter what build is it, resolve this equation :
time to kill = HP - dmg rate + HP regen rate
to see who die first . I dont have all the info about dmg and def to resolve this, so im counting on u
Note that even if dmg rate << HP regen rate, but u only have HP = dmg, then u'll die in fisrt hit (case of nuker)

No one is debating which does more damage either. Its obvious the hybrid does due to the total balance. But can a hybrid bow stay alive long enough to do that damage? No. Spear hybrids have knockback and stun and 1k hp to keep them alive. Sword hybrids have kd, a shield to block, and the extra defense it has to survive a pure str. What does hybrid bow have? Nothing. You have nothing to buy you time to live to do that damage. Most int hybrids have a total balance of about 152% without alchemy and they still struggle to stay alive even with the the defensive things I stated above and the damage they do. Now how could a build that has 140% without alchemy stay alive long enough to do that damage when they have none of the reasons I stated above to buy them time? Who said the damage would even be enough? A pure str archer struggles to stay alive even with all the hp they have but they will last longer than the hybrid archers and probably deal equal damage in the time that it takes them to die.

It doesn't really matter if he adds alchemy to increase his balance by 20% to 160%. Other builds can do the same.

You talked about how the speed of killing is hp + regeneration per pot - dmg given, but you left out crit . If it werent for crits, hybrid spears would easily beat glaives a very, very large %age of the time

u didnt read the whole of my post, right? look at the calcul, the critical power is almost the same. Sure Str has higher phy, but u forgot the mag of Int. Everyone use imbue, right?

@GodsAngel yea good way of thinking because silkroad isnt based on pure

lol now pure str is debating about the survivability just like i have said before on this topic
even pure str crit is higher..but overal dmg won by hybrid... anyway wat we can really see from the comment of the winner is

1) int does add to dmg (mainly imbue)
2) pure str rely on high hp to kill
3) well balanced hybrid rely on high dmg to kill

even this guide is for bow, one thing for sure, balance build will give max dmg. so its the players choices, to make a dmg dealer or to be tanker.

oddly ppl still thinks that crit is higher then overal dmg, did u all see jadekiss past calculations??

the tourney champ said that they build hybrid cuz to deal the quickest and highest dmg.

because of this post i also thinks that bladder also can give higher dmg and kill more efficiently. in the past bladder are consider super tanker, why not build a killer bladder, with high dmg but average hp, who cares, u got KD and stab, ppl die faster before they can hit u enough.

anyway this is an interesting topic. tq for all the contributer.

Spear hybrids have knockback and stun and 1k hp to keep them alive. Sword hybrids have kd, a shield to block, and the extra defense it has to survive a pure str. What does hybrid bow have? Nothing. You have nothing to buy you time to live to do that damage. Most int hybrids have a total balance of about 152% without alchemy and they still struggle to stay alive even with the the defensive things I stated above and the damage they do. Now how could a build that has 140% without alchemy stay alive long enough to do that damage when they have none of the reasons I stated above to buy them time? Who said the damage would even be enough? A pure str archer struggles to stay alive even with all the hp they have but they will last longer than the hybrid archers and probably deal equal damage in the time that it takes them to die.

da realist tq for confirming that hybrid give the most dmg.

in case u havent read my last post



so what is my vission about this topic??

1) hybrid bow give the most dmg dealer in game and thats the only upperhand bower have againts all other character.

2) hybrid is not for tanking. bower isnt for tanking at all. they must play hit and run. even if u get hit, u wont die easily cuz u still have hp and magic def.nono don ever tank!. cuz bower do not have any disable skill at all.

3)1v1?.. play hit and run. even the oppenent talk to u shit. u just play hit and run cuz ur not made for tanking.

actually im not flaming anyone at first. but seems like alot of them didnt read the topic well and alot of them argue about 1v1 in tanking situations. thats wat pisses me a bit. well ok ive stated my vission of this build to u all now. seems actually the main problem here is determining the main issue of this topic.

so do u all see now? the best bower is the best dmg dealer and best hit and runner tactics

@Da_Realest different builds are good for different things. I know a str hybrid who is actually incredibly good, surprisingly. Str hybrid glaive was my first build, and at the time I decided to read the forums and everyone said pure str was best, so I switched. In retrospect, I actually think a str hybrid glaive or spear is very appealing now, and if I played enough to actually train it to a high lvl I would go for it.
The max dmg for a bow build will always be int bow. Does that mean it's the best? Of course not. The problem I have most with this thread is saying that hybrid bow is "the best". Even it is the best for 1v1 (something I have seen time and again to be proven false), it is doubtlessly not the best in guild wars and job wars.
Hybrid bow IS NOT the highest damage-dealer in the game, pure int spear is.

From my statistics from in game, server Aege; I've been getting a lot of positive comments on about hybrid bow. Specifically from high level players.
Which brings me the idea of going for this build. Even though the bow has a skill which increases the chance of a critical hit, the bow doesn't support physical only. As it is average in both physical and magical attacks.

There's been people with this build in Aege, such as Wind, who are good players. (Balance Hybrid Bow Built)

I'm not saying this build is the best for bow, but it seems like a very good one, since it matches of what a bow is set at. I currently have a balance hybrid bow, and I'm liking it. I can kill glaivers, swords, bladers, spears, and other bows at level 42 on 1 on 1. With job wars, I do well.

Currently Wind and I have one purpose on continueing gameplay, and that is to double, triple, and quaprupple team all the CCF'ers and botters on Aege. Our alliance comprises of 2 full unions now and growing.

Uh, he said he's against CCFing...

Regardless of build... if you want to be the best archer, you'll need one of these:


*envy*

Wait. Lemme get this straight, are you trying to increase CCF? Or, are you trying to group up as many CCF players on your server?

And why?

Also, have fun to anyone trying to CCF, due to the level restrictions on buying astrals and immortals.

Just to clarify, I am utterly against CCF'ing and botting, as Wind is and our alliance (comprising of 2 full unions). We are the legitimate players/guilds/unions on Aege, and it is our task to make life on Aege miserable to all the low-life cheaters (CCF'ers, and botters).

We love the latest changes Joymax has made against ccf, just wish it would have come before the level gap was raised. Aege server already polluted with lvl 72 +7 weapons!