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great guide :)


still going with 80 cold on my nuker cause im special :P

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still going with 80 cold on my nuker cause im special :P


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Wicked guide im planning to delvl hueksai and go wit this guide since i wanted to be int an s/s user.

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I'm planning hitting the 80 cap ASAP, only lvl Light to 71

Then I'll raise Bicheon 71

By the time I'm done with those 2 skill trees, JM may raise the cap to 90...

After reading your guide, I figured I'd go Ice 90, but I haven't figured out what to do with the last 30 pts, since those skills would be gimped.

Then I read the discussions about Fire 90 being much better than Fire 80, and Force providing the vital point skill (assuming they fix the "buff" bug). Now I'm really confused (but I guess everyone is...)

So for now I'll just ask:
In order to lvl the fastest, would you
1) add Str first, so you build a hybrid bow until lvl 30
2) add Str last, so your nukes are more powerful during the grind

For hybrids, has anyone tried to mimic the weapon's phys/mag ratio? Obviously your build works well, but I wonder if JM intended Chinese to be hybrids and to mimic whichever ratio was on their weapon... but I guess that would seriously gimp their nukes... :?

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Finally it's here mate,such a great guide,have helped me alot with my character,just what i have been lookin for,after i take down heuksal and put cold to 40 i can tank any other nucker 8) ,didn't have a pvp with a str yet :D ,just want to say to u that u need to raise up ur phy and mag def for ur shield will be much much better :wink: ,nice work mate and thx alot really for ur nice guide and for ur effort :D


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was on holiday when this was posted.. just saw it.

awesome guide. added to the Chars&Skills sticky under "Sword guides"


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very nice job^^ i hace a s/s hybrid nuker myself, and is pretty much like this build ^^
but i have sort of a dilema this is my second char so im just dying to reach 70+ atm im lvl 58 and farming on a 2 gap, i intend to leave a gap till 61 then do 61 on a 5 gap, and lower it so i can reach 64 fast..

my current masterys are 53 ice bichen and light, and i have fire at 56, my question is where should i farm and when i thought of just 1 gaping all the way to lvl 80 but im not sure if its much of a good idea... ill also add that i use premium +sp ticket..

any advice on when to farm or what gap should i use? thanks ^^


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@Jaume

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=47963

I'm using this fast-leveling guide as my base build. It basically says use a 2 gap 0-29, 1 gap 31-71, then farm sp near the cap.

The build is simple: Light only, use Nuke+Lion Shout for grinding

May or may not work for a hybrid, since the Nuke damage will be slightly decreased... idk, really.

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thanks ^^
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anyone try this with a hybrid?my balances with my set on are 105% mag and i usually use either sos or +7 weapons, can i make it to 80 with a 1 gap from lvl 59 :S?


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was on holiday when this was posted.. just saw it.

awesome guide. added to the Chars&Skills sticky under "Sword guides"


im honored :D

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I'm planning hitting the 80 cap ASAP, only lvl Light to 71

Then I'll raise Bicheon 71

By the time I'm done with those 2 skill trees, JM may raise the cap to 90...

After reading your guide, I figured I'd go Ice 90, but I haven't figured out what to do with the last 30 pts, since those skills would be gimped.

Then I read the discussions about Fire 90 being much better than Fire 80, and Force providing the vital point skill (assuming they fix the "buff" bug). Now I'm really confused (but I guess everyone is...)

So for now I'll just ask:
In order to lvl the fastest, would you
1) add Str first, so you build a hybrid bow until lvl 30
2) add Str last, so your nukes are more powerful during the grind

For hybrids, has anyone tried to mimic the weapon's phys/mag ratio? Obviously your build works well, but I wonder if JM intended Chinese to be hybrids and to mimic whichever ratio was on their weapon... but I guess that would seriously gimp their nukes... Confused


Being so close to lvl 90 (considering how long it takes to build a char), it is likely best to plan for lvl 90. I suggest pure int to start off. I was pure int spear up to 42, then i was a pure int sword and shield user in garms, then decided on hybrid because i hated dieing in pvp, and i pwned since. Since my experience was trial and error and experimentation, the point is for me to help other people with this guide, so i suggest you dont do what i did :D

What i do suggest is going pure int for quite a while, as long as you dont mind dieing in pvp and jobwars for now (however i didnt have snow shield available until i was 80 and farming :( so you could possibly still to fairly well in pvp.). If you dont plan on sp farming much before the cap, i suggest sticking with lightning.

About lvl 90, there are a myriad of possibilities for hybrids because hybrids use both nukes and weapon skills a lot, where as a pure int is more likely to use nukes. So your stuck in the dilemma of what to get, and choosing between bicheon, lightning, fire, ice, and force for some people, is hard. I cannot give you expert advice on lvl 90 YET, because i have not experienced it. I can only help with what i have researched and thought of. Force never really occured to me in my guide because of the buff bug, and because i regarded it as largely a waste of mastery points (which is not necessarily true). The thing i hate the most about my guide, is my decision to get rid of fire. I hate to, because its powerful in nukes, buffs, and just looks sexy...

I agree that chinese hybrids do seem to do very well, and it could be they were intended to be hybrid, while euros are clearly intended to be purely one stat.

Im sorry i cant offer more help than that, but ive been rolling around the fire and force trees in my head and havent made much sense of it yet, hopefully i can soon.

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very nice job^^ i hace a s/s hybrid nuker myself, and is pretty much like this build ^^
but i have sort of a dilema this is my second char so im just dying to reach 70+ atm im lvl 58 and farming on a 2 gap, i intend to leave a gap till 61 then do 61 on a 5 gap, and lower it so i can reach 64 fast..

my current masterys are 53 ice bichen and light, and i have fire at 56, my question is where should i farm and when i thought of just 1 gaping all the way to lvl 80 but im not sure if its much of a good idea... ill also add that i use premium +sp ticket..

any advice on when to farm or what gap should i use? thanks ^^


thanks in advance!


I suggest a 0-2 gap until you lvl up to 7X, at lvl 77, you can use your entire last tier set, start pimping it, and use it to be stronger while farming. You will get more sp per kill from a mage at 77 with 9 gap than at lvl 80 with 9 gap, but then there is the issue of killing speed. If you can kill a mage in a nuke and 2 lion shouts, i say farm at 77 for quicker farming. If not, go to 79 or 80 so that you can kill mages faster. I prefer capping out first then farming, even though you will be a weak lvl 80 until everything is updated to 71, it will turn around quickly.

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Just FYI: Tonight in Alps... Jangan was dead. Less than 10 stalls, no garments or bows 2nd degree or lower.

And even leveling with a bow (at least compared to Euro Xbow) was slow. Really slow. I almost didn't make it to lvl 5 I was soooo bored. (That might bode really bad for me hitting cap... ever.) Once I finally got the first bow skill + imbue, damage finally reached a decent level.

Then I noticed something: Euro has spoiled me. Recasting that imbue skill seems like such a pain and a waste of mana. Once I get nukes, can I stop relying on imbues? I know imbues will boost the nuke damage, but do I NEED the imbue like I do for other attacks? Should I stop now and go back to Europe?

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Hey man, a great guide, but still I have a question. I get your purpose of the hybrid (currently I'm pure int), but how much is the advantage of more physical att. power, cause I like to use physical att combined with nukes. Can you seriously notice improvement by just a few str levels?

If I would add str that would be for the increased phys. damage and not so much for the health.

Oh yeah, and another question. Do you still need the cold tree as a hybrid. If you don't really need it, I'm just gonna raise it to lvl 30 so I've got the 2nd book of mana shield and then add fire and lightning. Damn, I really miss that fire tree right now ;-)


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Very nice,detailed and simple,easy to read guide!!

Mad props to you! :love:

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Just FYI: Tonight in Alps... Jangan was dead. Less than 10 stalls, no garments or bows 2nd degree or lower.

And even leveling with a bow (at least compared to Euro Xbow) was slow. Really slow. I almost didn't make it to lvl 5 I was soooo bored. (That might bode really bad for me hitting cap... ever.) Once I finally got the first bow skill + imbue, damage finally reached a decent level.

Then I noticed something: Euro has spoiled me. Recasting that imbue skill seems like such a pain and a waste of mana. Once I get nukes, can I stop relying on imbues? I know imbues will boost the nuke damage, but do I NEED the imbue like I do for other attacks? Should I stop now and go back to Europe?

It makes the difference between a 1 hit kill and 2 hit kill unless you have a sun wep or something. Just put imbue on the mouse slot and spam the shit out of it.

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Just FYI: Tonight in Alps... Jangan was dead. Less than 10 stalls, no garments or bows 2nd degree or lower.

And even leveling with a bow (at least compared to Euro Xbow) was slow. Really slow. I almost didn't make it to lvl 5 I was soooo bored. (That might bode really bad for me hitting cap... ever.) Once I finally got the first bow skill + imbue, damage finally reached a decent level.

Then I noticed something: Euro has spoiled me. Recasting that imbue skill seems like such a pain and a waste of mana. Once I get nukes, can I stop relying on imbues? I know imbues will boost the nuke damage, but do I NEED the imbue like I do for other attacks? Should I stop now and go back to Europe?


Imbue is always a must, it adds tons of damage, and hitting without it will mean you ownt kill anything in pvp

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Great Guide! Keep up the good work 8)


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So I made a new account to play around with warlock skills, and I got to lvl 5 in 1/8 the time. Instead of 5-6 arrows for each mob, I 2 hit the lvl 1 mobs. In addition, Euro magic users get their first nuke a lvl 4. 4 !!

I now understand why ppl say Euro is overpowered. For me, relying on a 5 sec powerup is awful and wrong. However, I think with all the buffs Chinese players can get from Fire and Cold trees - on top of their low pot delay - Chinese char will be the best tanks in game.

Unfortunatly, that also means Chinese characters need to fill out 3-4 skill trees before they really shine. For me, I don't have that much patience. GL to all those who do.

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can pure int lvl 53 turned into hybrid ?

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great guide, i might make this guy to vs my friend's blader just for fun and to see how this work out,

i few things i wanna know, what's your int and str ratio? or balance %? i dont see it in here.. if u put that in, it might help a lot for many people...


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can pure int lvl 53 turned into hybrid ?


Sure, after all, your not maxed level yet, so you can add str near the ending levels. =D


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Hey man, I already responded in this topic, and you already responded in my topic 8)

Anyway, I still think that another great way to go for the lvl 90 cap is gonna be 90 bicheon/fire/lightning with cold at 30. Only problem at that one is, that once the 100 cap is coming out, you're gonna have to delevel the whole fire tree to get the cold. That's why I ain't taking that route.

And yes, 90/90/90/30 only works as a s/s. For spear that ain't interesting, cause they will need the mana shield more than we do 8)


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After seeing euro mage dealing crazy amount of damage with their nukes, i can't help but wonder, is chinese char supposed to go pure int?

Chinese Weapon has both Magical and Physical damage, whereas euro weapon only got Magical or Physical damage. Is this a hint from JM that chinese character is supposed to go hybrid instead of pure int/str?
If chinese char goes pure int for example, the physical damage of the spear/sword will kinda like go to waste ...

Has anyone compared the max damage of lvl 80 euro mage and lvl 80 chinese spear nuker, both with the same level of weapon? But i guess that, euro mage will probably outdamage chinese spear nuker. The only advantage is just spear nuker will have slightly more HP than euro mage, and of course, the pot delay handicap for euro char.

From my observation and experience, i kinda support the hybrid build, although i myself is a pure int s/s nuker.


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im a int hyrbid s/s lvl 79 myself and its a great build:) i can tank glaviers easily with snow shield even sosun glaviers....and sosun sword/spear +7 users cant 1 hit me altough i have bad gear atm
but i must say if you dont have a good sword you kill a little hard, and you are saying you are going to level fire to 0 at 90 cap IMO thats a very bad idea... Almost all fire skills are usefull, especially fire shield is EXTREMLY neccesary imo. So i definitely will keep fire
i think i will do this at 90 cap and i recommend everyone to do this

90 fire
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Great guide, just wat i needed ! :D


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so for 90 cap,fire still worth for int/int hybrid? or ice is more worth it?


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im a int hyrbid s/s lvl 79 myself and its a great build:) i can tank glaviers easily with snow shield even sosun glaviers....and sosun sword/spear +7 users cant 1 hit me altough i have bad gear atm
but i must say if you dont have a good sword you kill a little hard, and you are saying you are going to level fire to 0 at 90 cap IMO thats a very bad idea... Almost all fire skills are usefull, especially fire shield is EXTREMLY neccesary imo. So i definitely will keep fire
i think i will do this at 90 cap and i recommend everyone to do this

90 fire
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Well captain obvious, ofcourse if your weapon isn't really good its going to be a little harder to kill as opposed to having a better one. Besides the point, all the skills are usefull to certain builds, de leveling fire to 0 isn't a bad idea what so ever. If you look at it logically, you don't even need fire now. Being int you have the mag defense so the earth fire protection and all those books are pointless. Fire imbue eh yeah its better but not by much so again not really worth it. Fire shield king, well hopefully they will fix the bug, but regardless i do just as well without fire shield king as i did with it. Flame body trial again unnecessary. 3rd book light is the strongest nuke anyways so might as well stay light. Taking a look at your 90 cap build, you have fun with that, but i don't recommend that to anyone. My 2 cents

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I'd take having mana shield and phy defense (for a phy defense lacking build, makes sense....doesn't it?)over having more mag defense (pointless) more phy dmg, well you get the picture.


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Can anyone verify that there is a bug with the "fire shield"? If so, what's the bug about?

Also, now that there is the snow shield skill, why go hybrid instead of pure int? If you're worry about phy def; wear armor. Also, what is the amount of hp at lvl 80 for the hybrid vs. a pure int. assuming semi-pimped gears.


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they way fire shield should work is based on status reduce number. meaning if you have a reduce of 80 and they have a effect inducing of 90 you will be frozen.

But currently it doesn't work that way, everything is a percent if your fire shield is at 60 it means 60% and you need 40% from your jewels to become immune at 100%.

Now if they remove the % and make it a actually number as described in first paragraph, then to be immune would mean getting maxed jewels, maxed fire shield and the maxed euro cleric buff.

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Can anyone verify that there is a bug with the "fire shield"? If so, what's the bug about?

Also, now that there is the snow shield skill, why go hybrid instead of pure int? If you're worry about phy def; wear armor. Also, what is the amount of hp at lvl 80 for the hybrid vs. a pure int. assuming semi-pimped gears.


You would need to rely on JUST the mana shield being pure int, once its out, your out. Pure's have aboutttt 8-9k max hp? Well if you worry about your phy def as a pure int, you'll get nuked really easily by another nuker. Hybrid allows you to be more evenly matched against a int and a str. I'm 80 hybrid s/s and i still have some str and int i need to add to my set, when i do i should have a 105% mag balance with a 70% phy with 12.6k hp. I do the dmg with nukes and phy dmg with stabs and what not. I'm light/ice nuker.

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I've considered the 90/90/90/30 build for a while, but considering the SP cost (it gets even worse (much worse) for level 90-100), I think I'll go for 90 bicheon, 90 lightning, 60 cold, 60 fire in stead, and drop fire to 40 when the level 100 cap arrives. Using protector, with 40% snow shield, I think it will be very doable, and cost me a LOT less SP, and a lot less deleveling when the level 100 cap and beyond comes. It will also save me quite a bit of money on 9D jewelry alchemy.

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