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 Post subject: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:53 pm 
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which build do you think would win at 80..both being full farmed, with the same exact stats on gear..(b/c usually when sumone ask this question, they get called a noob and say it only depends on gear)....so which do you think would win at 80..both being full farmed and both in garms with same stats on there gear(i.e: all garms +3 with all accersories +3 with same blues)


also, i need a little help with my build at 9D...im planning on 90 bicheon 90 lightning 90 ice, 0 fire..maybe 30 hueskal for the pitty little 279HP inc. but idk...anyway, im about 89% mag bal naked..and about 103% fully equipped..i wear garms and im sword&shield...do you think i should wear garms at 9D? and also does 90 bich. 90 light, 90 ice sound good? and should i stay about 89% hybrid or put all int from 80-90 or go a little more hybrid to about and 88% mag bal. naked when im 90?


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:59 pm 
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str bowman will win because he hit physical u defence magical with ur garms so he have a better chance change to protector or armor at 9D

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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thing is i have lvl 0 fire, so no magical defense there with earth fire protection and also im alot quicker in garms and it has -20% mp absorbtion, so it helps me tank longer when i have snow shield on..

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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thing is i have lvl 0 fire, so no magical defense there with earth fire protection and also im alot quicker in garms and it has -20% mp absorbtion, so it helps me tank longer when i have snow shield on..

i think your wrong there the -20% thing is for mana usage meaning you use less mana...


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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Both +7 both with ideal crits and statuses. Im gonna go ahead and say if the nuker can inflict Bleed and Division, then the nuker no matter what others say will win. The nukes will be 14k. Which means a 2 shot. But if snow runs out and the bow crits while snow is gone, then it's over.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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bow would win.

hybrit int sword can't nuke hard enough to kill a pure str bow's 20k hp with a knockback that seems to work almost every time.

the statuses like bleed and division are the only things that would help before the snow shield runs out, and those can just be pilled off.

ones the snow's gone, its over after the last desperate ironwall shield 8)

Full INT would do better.

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Both +7 both with ideal crits and statuses. Im gonna go ahead and say if the nuker can inflict Bleed and Division, then the nuker no matter what others say will win. The nukes will be 14k. Which means a 2 shot. But if snow runs out and the bow crits while snow is gone, then it's over.


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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bow would win.

hybrit int sword can't nuke hard enough to kill a pure str bow's 20k hp with a knockback that seems to work almost every time.

the statuses like bleed and division are the only things that would help before the snow shield runs out, and those can just be pilled off.

ones the snow's gone, its over after the last desperate ironwall shield 8)

Full INT would do better.


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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what about this...u think i should go more hybrid to like a 88% mag bal. naked at 90? or stay about 89-90% like i am now? or go full int from 80-90 and get like 92% mag bal. naked

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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Juicy wrote:
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thing is i have lvl 0 fire, so no magical defense there with earth fire protection and also im alot quicker in garms and it has -20% mp absorbtion, so it helps me tank longer when i have snow shield on..

i think your wrong there the -20% thing is for mana usage meaning you use less mana...



yes but what im saying is ill be able to tank longer with mana shield on and not run out of MP cuz im using less MP in garms..u see?

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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bow would win.

hybrit int sword can't nuke hard enough to kill a pure str bow's 20k hp with a knockback that seems to work almost every time.

the statuses like bleed and division are the only things that would help before the snow shield runs out, and those can just be pilled off.

ones the snow's gone, its over after the last desperate ironwall shield 8)

Full INT would do better.

a pure str bowman at lvl 80 does not have 20k hp only pure str glaviers have that much.
a hybrid int sword doesnt always use nukes there are others things called kd and with castle sheild you can own pure str bow. a hybrid int sword with kd does a ALOT of damage after kd you can do a nuke while having castle sheild on 2 nukes after kd should finish them off since bowman have no block


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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alcoholic wrote:
MrFudge wrote:
bow would win.

hybrit int sword can't nuke hard enough to kill a pure str bow's 20k hp with a knockback that seems to work almost every time.

the statuses like bleed and division are the only things that would help before the snow shield runs out, and those can just be pilled off.

ones the snow's gone, its over after the last desperate ironwall shield 8)

Full INT would do better.

a pure str bowman at lvl 80 does not have 20k hp only pure str glaviers have that much.
a hybrid int sword doesnt always use nukes there are others things called kd and with castle sheild you can own pure str bow. a hybrid int sword with kd does a ALOT of damage after kd you can do a nuke while having castle sheild on 2 nukes after kd should finish them off since bowman have no block

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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borat2 wrote:
alcoholic wrote:
MrFudge wrote:
bow would win.

hybrit int sword can't nuke hard enough to kill a pure str bow's 20k hp with a knockback that seems to work almost every time.

the statuses like bleed and division are the only things that would help before the snow shield runs out, and those can just be pilled off.

ones the snow's gone, its over after the last desperate ironwall shield 8)

Full INT would do better.

a pure str bowman at lvl 80 does not have 20k hp only pure str glaviers have that much.
a hybrid int sword doesnt always use nukes there are others things called kd and with castle sheild you can own pure str bow. a hybrid int sword with kd does a ALOT of damage after kd you can do a nuke while having castle sheild on 2 nukes after kd should finish them off since bowman have no block

80 str char 16060hp
55str full blue gear 18689hp
3str premium 18832hp
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not counting other str added on the wings

yea then the hybrid int s/s would have the same stats to making them still owning.


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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[MS]Malicious wrote:
Both +7 both with ideal crits and statuses. Im gonna go ahead and say if the nuker can inflict Bleed and Division, then the nuker no matter what others say will win. The nukes will be 14k. Which means a 2 shot. But if snow runs out and the bow crits while snow is gone, then it's over.


Hybrid Swordsman nuking 14k with division sounds untrue to me :roll:

Bow will win, because he will always be able to save his ass with knockback and tank the 2 min the INT will live for, after that its a matter of 2 hits. Now if it was a pure INT Light/Ice swordsman :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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actualy it is true....

hybrid swordsman,a good friend of mine which has 95% mag balance 75% phys balance with his equips on....

made me 11k nuke with only bleed...i didnt had snow shield....and im hybrid int spearman.

bleed + division can make 14k easily.

bleed+division cuts down your defense half way down.

so if he makes like 7k nuke on you without stats its possible to make 14 nuke.....even more possible to make such dmg at pure str char...cause their mag defense is weaker then int chars mag defense.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid INT swordsman VS. Pure STR bowman
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alcoholic wrote:
a pure str bowman at lvl 80 does not have 20k hp only pure str glaviers have that much.


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with same gears and comparable weapons, full str bow with luck. why? cuz as full int you cant kill full str bow, cuz of his knockback. as full str bow you cant win cuz the cri 100 on the full int's shield. you will crit very seldomly. if you don't crit as full str bow, your damage will be pretty low.

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with same gears and comparable weapons, full str bow with luck. why? cuz as full int you cant kill full str bow, cuz of his knockback. as full str bow you cant win cuz the cri 100 on the full int's shield. you will crit very seldomly. if you don't crit as full str bow, your damage will be pretty low.


I kill them, they annoying but they got no fan storm, knockback isn't enough to tank a pure int.

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LockStar. wrote:
vanom wrote:
with same gears and comparable weapons, full str bow with luck. why? cuz as full int you cant kill full str bow, cuz of his knockback. as full str bow you cant win cuz the cri 100 on the full int's shield. you will crit very seldomly. if you don't crit as full str bow, your damage will be pretty low.


I kill them, they annoying but they got no fan storm, knockback isn't enough to tank a pure int.




but im not pure int..i have a naked mag bal of 89%..thats 7% away from pure...think i could kill the pure str bow?

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LockStar has the STR bow killer, Full int +9 spear.

It's true, no fan storm against a +9 full int spear hurts.

just have to run away til the snow shields gone though.

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LockStar. wrote:
vanom wrote:
with same gears and comparable weapons, full str bow with luck. why? cuz as full int you cant kill full str bow, cuz of his knockback. as full str bow you cant win cuz the cri 100 on the full int's shield. you will crit very seldomly. if you don't crit as full str bow, your damage will be pretty low.


I kill them, they annoying but they got no fan storm, knockback isn't enough to tank a pure int.



yo LockStar...you are pure int with 10k HP?? if you are pure..thats nice bro gratz! best pure int hp ive ever seen

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with same gears and comparable weapons, full str bow with luck. why? cuz as full int you cant kill full str bow, cuz of his knockback. as full str bow you cant win cuz the cri 100 on the full int's shield. you will crit very seldomly. if you don't crit as full str bow, your damage will be pretty low.


I kill them, they annoying but they got no fan storm, knockback isn't enough to tank a pure int.



yo LockStar...you are pure int with 10k HP?? if you are pure..thats nice bro gratz! best pure int hp ive ever seen


Thanks.. I hit almost 10.8k now.. was missing STR points. :twisted:

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