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 Post subject: Re: Vengeance Failure: The rotten members
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:45 am 
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You constantly brought up the Avalon thing in more than just 1 thread. We told you to stop and the situation was sorted out before but you continued to bring it up. It made people more hostile towards each other and after we ran into some pretty big problems between our own members. You might have not directly caused these problems but you did indeed cause some problems, and yes they were sorted out.

Now this time listen to me because I've said this before. Stop this. It is only hurting both guilds and in this case hurting Vengeance more than Avalon. Do not pursue this further please... >_>

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 Post subject: Re: Vengeance Failure: The rotten members
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It was only brought up when your members made mention of it. Do I not have a right to reiterate something that has been previously said when things are mentioned over and over again? Or has the freedom of speech been revoked without any prior warning?

I have nothing against Vengeance, I have said that before. But if your members are taking offence from being helped by a member of Avalon, don't try and pin the blame on me.

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k, one advice chill.
why the fawk are you guys focusing on some forum drama sh1t.

I got a bad new, we seriously lost a lot of time trying to get uru this morning, im not even lvl 30 yet and i could be 32+ now.
We're reorganizing ourselves and yeah, just focus on the damn game.

Thanks for avalon ppl who helped us with some shit (mainly coco <3), we got to know some fkers go uru lured to the ferry's.. I still cant believe in that, we had the kill, so much time wasted for nothing..
Well we'll get that time back.

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Hehe, god I love crybabies. im 32 on my warlock/cleric and 20 on my wiz/cleric. plus i had time to login in venus party with Sui and then start powerfarming my chinese. I even joined Decepticons guild..:p..lmao solo lock ftw

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Anyway im thinking of switching to one hand so i can lead another party, cause a dual axe as the main tank = failure.


Dual axes are better than you give them credit for being.

I'd take a dual axe over a 2-handed warrior any day of the week.


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in terms of tanking ability, dual axes are better, but it cant compare at all to one hand and shield. The ability to block is just too big to not get if youre the main tank of a party. Especially if youre grinding on mobs 8 lvls higher.

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in terms of tanking ability, dual axes are better, but it cant compare at all to one hand and shield. The ability to block is just too big to not get if youre the main tank of a party. Especially if youre grinding on mobs 8 lvls higher.

That and the extra defense the shield provides. Blocking + extra defense make 1H the best to me, because you also have the defense, block and critical parry passives too so you're guaranteed to survive longer.

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Man when I logged in and talk to some of the guild leaders, I try'd to see if they where even going to make it and all of em said sorry dont know yet, So I started training and time when by and all there parties became a bust...I really really want this to work man.

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 Post subject: Re: Vengeance Failure: The rotten members
PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:15 am 
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Its not hard to press E. its not hard to make a party. Its not hard to advertise your party. If you have a guild and your members need parties then MAKE ONE! whineing about the big bad people who wont let u into there FULL party just makes you look retarded.


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This pretty much sums it up.


Besides that, I dunno why people say "Avalon doesnt like Vengeance because Vengeance took members from Avalon's union". Actually, its the opposite. Vengeance took like 4 members from us who kept going "Plvl plyyyys" in pm to me over and over, and for that I :love: them. Saved me 4 chatblocks that can be used on some useful people. Thx to Vengeance for that! :wink: Its a simple survival of the fittest, the weak will die off. People who say "ZOMFG I CANT GET A PARTY" in Venus, quit. The people who are smart, somehow manage to get parties, and SuicideGirl's already at level 45 mobs. No parties? Solo. Its not that hard....

Same goes for Vengeance, they're too busy to level up nubs. Once they are 80 and fully farmed, and they FEEL like leveling up their friends who are moving to the server, they can go ahead. Until then, they got their own goals.


We're actually already on penons lol ^,^ If you can't find a party either wait for a spot *they'll open up eventually* or make your own. Yeah, I know the feeling of being left behind, but if you don't do anything about it, nothing will happen ^,^

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you guys who are saying vengeance is a failure...go hit your self against a wall :banghead: seriously, you guys are being very VERY egocentrical right now. You guys have to realize that sometimes a party is good when you have certain classes, ergo leading to partying with certain people. Like I'm pretty sure that euros want to party up with a cleric, so that they can fight longer? Also, if you really have a problem solo grinding you should probably swap over to a chinese character.


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we should be 42 tomorrow, so idk if thats failing

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I was expecting fellowship and fun, I ran into lack of planning and lack of willing to make it happen. This is what members really think about the crusade and this kind of people are the ones that will make the plan fail.



What the hell is your point? Someone couldnt get into a party oh Farking WELL, I was one of the people left behind im only lvl 23 and there lvl 40 SO WHAT...There gonna level us next week anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Vengeance Failure: The rotten members
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dont bother nohunta, hes just another one that thought he'd have everything handled to him :)
like the ones that have quit :P

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 Post subject: Re: Vengeance Failure: The rotten members
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hehe chill casey. I know it sux without parties but join other parties too..not necessarily vengeance. Most of us are training at mujigis now so you have to understand that you'll get little to none exp here.

@IceCrash: stop lvling lol, wait for me :P

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 Post subject: Re: Vengeance Failure: The rotten members
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:20 pm 
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Vengeance was a fail tbh. I totaly agree with you.

There is one main party going on and the rest of the people have to make parties with other ppl who are noobs.

THe main party ALLWAYS has the following members:

Icecrash, Genocide (aka sirs1ayer), exokill, calico, chilli_pepper (who already left the guild because she was also sick of them) atmosph3re and Mickey.

this is what happened to me once. I was in that party. we all went to CTF. as soon as we left CTF, they we're like "we're going to split the party". The members began to lose themselves in the crowd after CTF, and they managed to form they're "leet" party again. Just an excuse to not let people in.

The whole guild is about them. Everyne noticed it, they didn't admit it yet. They will be the only to have lvl 40 by the fortress wars, the others will have left.

And to be honnest they deserved it. I was the one that first discovered the fact they we're allways making leet parties and leaving everyone else behind. I wanted revenge because they kicked me from the party several times. They found countless excuses to not let me in.

A few ones:

-Not haing a lvl. I was lvl 31 with like 80% and they wanted me to be lvl 32 to join their arty whe they had 2-3 slots left and needed a tanker (I am one) If they would have taken me I could be lvl 32 in less than 15 minutes. That was a pure dumb excuse.

-The leader deserves more. I wanted to ge in a party for hours because no other good parties were up for my lvl. When they got a free slot, they were going to let me in. But the leader logged on at that time and asked for a party. I tried to get in the party, in party matching, three times and was refused. As soon as the leader joins the party, they told me "he tried to join before you did" and I took a screenie to prove I tried way before the leader. Will post it later.

-Making parties full to not let people in. They told me they reserved a place for me, and when I tried to join, they randomnly found a warrior to stay with them so the party was full again. This warrior wasn't in the guild, this when they said guild members had priority. Also, they let the warrior join the guild a few minutes latter so they could say "but he's in the guild and has as much rights as you do". The fact is, the warrior never was accepted in the party either after that day. It was an excuse to not let me in because I'm part of those who were left behind.

I'm not on my computer at the moment, but I took screenshots of the sad truth of vengeance. Some of them are botting, and I have proof.

I'm not blaming everyone though, I'm blaming those 8 main people. At the beginning I could do nothing because they have all the leaders, but I did get to make them pay for being so selfish, I discovered the truth and announced it to EVERYONE. That's why they're leaving.

And no, there are not 2 parties but only 1 party. There are like 20 other members in this guild that found their own friends and at the moment are playng in parties with people who don't know how to play, and thus level slower.

But anyway I did met some people in this guild that were very nice to me.

Battledonut was cool, he wasn't in the main party either, I let him in my parties when he was logged on. Because the others didn't want him. Don't blame him. Chilli pepper was also cool. Woody was one of the first members I knew, too bad he left. Exokil was the only one in that party that was honnest, probably because he can't be hypocrite at all (like some of the members), and he was cool sometimes. I know Icecrash isn't a bad person either, he tried to make me become a better tanker. He was also cool most of the time.

To be honnest, the person you should be blaming here is Genocide, as known as Sirs1ayer, because he's the one making the party, and he's the one not letting people in and kicking people, also he made up all the excuses so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Vengeance Failure: The rotten members
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I'm not blaming everyone though, I'm blaming those 8 main people. At the beginning I could do nothing because they have all the leaders, but I did get to make them pay for being so selfish, I discovered the truth and announced it to EVERYONE. That's why they're leaving.

This is all for the moment.



Did NOT expect that, but innocent until proven guilty eh?

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Always welcome another legit to Venus, all the beginning drama is cleared up, now its just a paridise. Theres low lvl parties to play with too, with Blackhand and SuddenDeath.

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OMG you cant just accuse, you GOTTA post those pics...

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OMG you cant just accuse, you GOTTA post those pics...

Don't worry I will

Just wait me to get back home

Well basically it's me and someone talking, he's always saying "it's ok to party with botters", I said something like "lol wtf dude we are supposed to hate botters" then I tell someone in the party "look botting is very bad, don't do it", and the guildie answered me "shut the f up feataler" obviously he means that I'm saying bulls** and that i should stop talkin. This when he amited to use tbot before.

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Poor Vengeance getting hit with all this drama :P

You probably weren't let into the party because you were always 15+ levels lower than the mob you wanted to grind on. When you were 29 and wanted in our bunwangs party? Are you kidding? You were a bad tank to begin with, the int's didn't want to have to die every 5 percent until you learned how to play your build.

The end? Half of Vengeance doesn't look here btw, even if they did I doubt they'd care about what you had to say. You quit. You gave up. So that being said, you aren't allowed to question Vengeance or any of its current members without looking really dumb. At least they're still trying.

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iono what's up wit u feataler, all i know is that u were the most arrogant, most noob tanker i've ever had. talk to reddv, he'll teach u how to be a real tanker.

if nething, u'r the cause of us not being higher lvl, cuz u kept all us wizards dead, gj!

i'm Atmosph3re btw

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Lol, I'm the source of all problems!!

So, you're lvl 31 wanting in a bunwang party.. Yeah.. we needed a tank. but, your not a tank if you get 1 hit by a party giant. i just can't heal that goddam fast.

I always had the good of the party in mind.. Higher lvls > lower lvls.. so i'm obviously going to give them party priority..

Botters.. some we let in the party for a while. Then realized how much they really suck so they eventually got banned..

Ps, Most people are 35+ now in epic :)
oh and we won a guild war against Unforgiven!

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Poor Vengeance getting hit with all this drama :P

You probably weren't let into the party because you were always 15+ levels lower than the mob you wanted to grind on. When you were 29 and wanted in our bunwangs party? Are you kidding? You were a bad tank to begin with, the int's didn't want to have to die every 5 percent until you learned how to play your build.

The end? Half of Vengeance doesn't look here btw, even if they did I doubt they'd care about what you had to say. You quit. You gave up. So that being said, you aren't allowed to question Vengeance or any of its current members without looking really dumb. At least they're still trying.

Can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.


I was lvl 31 with like 80% not lvl 29.

But oh well, if you still think that you are going to get anywhere, then I will just shut up.

Sirs1ayer you see i'm not the first one to leave, and not the last either. More and more people will leave eventually.

But since you can't admit that, well you're free to believe I'm the only one that ranted about vengeance being like that.

I will talk to you after fortress wars but you will probably not answer, people who lose prefer to shut up rather than to admit that they lost.

Vengeance Union... I wish you all, to all players who have been nice and generous (not Sirs1ayer & company), good luck with fortress wars.

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Poor Vengeance getting hit with all this drama :P

You probably weren't let into the party because you were always 15+ levels lower than the mob you wanted to grind on. When you were 29 and wanted in our bunwangs party? Are you kidding? You were a bad tank to begin with, the int's didn't want to have to die every 5 percent until you learned how to play your build.

The end? Half of Vengeance doesn't look here btw, even if they did I doubt they'd care about what you had to say. You quit. You gave up. So that being said, you aren't allowed to question Vengeance or any of its current members without looking really dumb. At least they're still trying.

Can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.


I was lvl 31 with like 80% not lvl 29.

But oh well, if you still think that you are going to get anywhere, then I will just shut up.

Sirs1ayer you see i'm not the first one to leave, and not the last either. More and more people will leave eventually.

But since you can't admit that, well you're free to believe I'm the only one that ranted about vengeance being like that.

I will talk to you after fortress wars but you will probably not answer, people who lose prefer to shut up rather than to admit that they lost.

Vengeance Union... I wish you all, to all players who have been nice and generous (not Sirs1ayer & company), good luck with fortress wars.


31 is too low to get good xp at Bunwangs. I just wish the people who get angry because they aren't let in can start realizing why. It's one of the following reasons:
a) too low of a level
b) we already have enough of that build
c) party is currently full

That's it. If you aren't let in, that is why! It's pretty simple..

Also, what do you mean we will "lose"? Confused, did you win? I certainly don't think so.

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Feataler wrote:
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Poor Vengeance getting hit with all this drama :P

You probably weren't let into the party because you were always 15+ levels lower than the mob you wanted to grind on. When you were 29 and wanted in our bunwangs party? Are you kidding? You were a bad tank to begin with, the int's didn't want to have to die every 5 percent until you learned how to play your build.

The end? Half of Vengeance doesn't look here btw, even if they did I doubt they'd care about what you had to say. You quit. You gave up. So that being said, you aren't allowed to question Vengeance or any of its current members without looking really dumb. At least they're still trying.

Can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.


I was lvl 31 with like 80% not lvl 29.

But oh well, if you still think that you are going to get anywhere, then I will just shut up.

Sirs1ayer you see i'm not the first one to leave, and not the last either. More and more people will leave eventually.

But since you can't admit that, well you're free to believe I'm the only one that ranted about vengeance being like that.

I will talk to you after fortress wars but you will probably not answer, people who lose prefer to shut up rather than to admit that they lost.

Vengeance Union... I wish you all, to all players who have been nice and generous (not Sirs1ayer & company), good luck with fortress wars.


once again as i repeat myself on our forum. I am sick and tired of your god damn self centeredness Feataler. You obviously think that every party should revolve around you, but from what I see, your no benefit to a party if you can't tank anything. So before you complain about not getting into a party, learn to tank. And if they still don't take you into a party, then we'll talk. But other than that, get off your lazy whiny a** and learn to play mmo's. Last piece of knowledge for you, your no leader, your a follower. You weren't the first to leave, so don't make it sound like you started the whole leaving business.


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i not understand all this drama... I've never been in epic or vengeance
though i signed up/ It doesn't bother me I'm lvl 24, what use am i in parties to lvl 34+?
i'm a tank & i want to be fully farmed so i have a 4 gap right now, i am VERY slowly lvling
and solo grinding. the reason i've stated all this is to show i am not a "Favooured" member of Epic.

but seriously this drama is pointless!,
1.It's just a game
2. if someone truly cares about beating bots & a legit ruled server.
than they shouldn't care that they weren't excluded from a party.
3.Everyone is trying hard, and anyone who complains isn't truthfully into the idea of a legit world.

I wont lie i'll admit i wanted to quit hera go back to Persia, but i don't
because i want this to go through. I want two servers to be ruled by Legits!

to anyone who quit, i thank you. though i adore Chilipepper to the rest of you who did
i think it was the best thing you could do all your doing is slowing down the guild/union's
ability to be strong. that's why even though i've never gotten a chance to be in Epic i'm fine
being by myself. and IMO i think that if you truley want a second legit ruled server you need to stop being so selfish.

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i think that if you truley want a second legit ruled server you need to stop being so selfish.


3rd you mean? Odin is ruled by MaliceArmy, a legit guild, and in my opinion its the best legit guild in iSRO right now, just as strong as Avalon(maybe stronger) and they don't create drama and a whole bunch of problems for themselves.

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i think that if you truley want a second legit ruled server you need to stop being so selfish.


3rd you mean? Odin is ruled by MaliceArmy, a legit guild, and in my opinion its the best legit guild in iSRO right now, just as strong as Avalon(maybe stronger) and they don't create drama and a whole bunch of problems for themselves.



i opologise I've not been playing iSRO for more than 4 months & i've only been a member here a month or two so i know very little besides what i read on SRF

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The part where this all fails is when you all come down to 1 party and lose the fortress war. Then you become the botters bitches as their buffers. And if you don't then you can't do anything in your server. I've seen it before. It's exactly what happened to GodMode on Uranus and basically from what Featler is saying it is even worse than I last remember. Honestly, I don't see Vengeance/Epic, You guys are 1 in the same so stop talking like you are separate, having much of a future if it seriously has 1 group that is not only leveling slow but is basically by itself too.

I don't even think you guys no not only how much losing the fortress war will effect you but how badly you are going to lose it. I just thought of the biggest part of the fortress war for you guys and really you won't be able to pull it off. After thinking of this too, I can tell you you don't even have a chance. And even as I reread this I can expect you guys to be even in a worse position after this. You will see soon enough...

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BloodOwnzzz wrote:
The part where this all fails is when you all come down to 1 party and lose the fortress war. Then you become the botters bitches as their buffers. And if you don't then you can't do anything in your server. I've seen it before. It's exactly what happened to GodMode on Uranus and basically from what Featler is saying it is even worse than I last remember. Honestly, I don't see Vengeance/Epic, You guys are 1 in the same so stop talking like you are separate, having much of a future if it seriously has 1 group that is not only leveling slow but is basically by itself too.

I don't even think you guys no not only how much losing the fortress war will effect you but how badly you are going to lose it. I just thought of the biggest part of the fortress war for you guys and really you won't be able to pull it off. After thinking of this too, I can tell you you don't even have a chance. And even as I reread this I can expect you guys to be even in a worse position after this. You will see soon enough...


the hell are you? yea...ok...don't go by what feataler says because he speaks for himself only. You should note to yourself that we will never become botter bitches because we aren't noobs. Feataler is obviously classified as a noob, don't put the rest of us in that class. Also, i doubt they are one group because if had the slightest bit of knowledge you'd realize hm...40 people can't fit into 1 party...good try though. I'm also pretty sure that they are leveling faster than you are, unless you bot, which i'm sure you do because you talk like you know how to bot effectively. Also, the hell do you know about our union? NOTHING!!! so shut up and stop thinking you know us inside out because you clearly don't. Even if we lose the fortress this upcoming thursday, doesn't mean that we can't take it the week after that.


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