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Ok this is my last statement about america nad ww 2 in this topic.

For me america is guilty for what was done back in the end of ww2. Nothing cant justify a death of thousands of ppl... If there is something to do it then Hitler isnt wrong for killing so many.

Cant you all understand this ? A DEATH OF HUMAN CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED !
Is it so damn hard ?

Ignore Barotix he have nothing to say.

Stop arguing from a "I hate America for no logical reason" point of view, and argue from a Non - Biased observer point of View. I don't retract my statement.

The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by The Manhattan Engineer District, June 29, 1946.
Both the Hiroshima and the Nagasaki atomic bombs exhibited similar effects.
The damages to man-made structures and other inanimate objects was the result in both cities of the following effects of the explosions:
A. Blast, or pressure wave, similar to that of normal explosions.
B. Primary fires, i.e., those fires started instantaneously by the heat radiated from the atomic explosion.
C. Secondary fires, i.e., those fires resulting from the collapse of buildings, damage to electrical systems, overturning of stoves, and other primary effects of the blast.
D. Spread of the original fires (B and C) to other structures.

The casualties sustained by the inhabitants of both cities were due to:

A. "Flash" burns, caused directly by the almost instantaneous radiation of heat and light at the moment of the explosion.
B. Burns resulting from the fires caused by the explosion.
C. Mechanical injuries caused by collapse of buildings, flying debris, and forceable hurling - about of persons struck by the blast pressure waves.
D. Radiation injuries caused by the instantaneous penetrating radiation (in many respects similar to excessive X-ray exposure) from the nuclear explosion; all of these effective radiations occurred during the first minute after initiation of the explosion, and nearly all occurred during the first second of the explosion.

The central portions of the cities underneath the explosions suffered almost complete destruction. The only surviving objects were the frames of a small number of strong reinforced concrete buildings which were not collapsed by the blast; most of these buildings suffered extensive damage from interior fires, had their windows, doors, and partitions knocked out, and all other fixtures which were not integral parts of the reinforced concrete frames burned or blown away; the casualties in such buildings near the center of explosion were almost 100%. In Hiroshima fires sprang up simultaneously all over the wide flat central area of the city; these fires soon combined in an immense "fire storm" (high winds blowing inwards toward the center of a large conflagration) similar to those caused by ordinary mass incendiary raids; the resulting terrific conflagration burned out almost everything which had not already been destroyed by the blast in a roughly circular area of 4.4 square miles around the point directly under the explosion (this point will hereafter in this report be referred to as X). Similar fires broke out in Nagasaki, but no devastating fire storm resulted as in Hiroshima because of the irregular shape of the city.

In both cities the blast totally destroyed everything within a radius of 1 mile from the center of explosion, except for certain reinforced concrete frames as noted above. The atomic explosion almost completely destroyed Hiroshima's identity as a city. Over a fourth of the population was killed in one stroke and an additional fourth seriously injured, so that even if there had been no damage to structures and installations the normal city life would still have been completely shattered. Nearly everything was heavily damaged up to a radius of 3 miles from the blast, and beyond this distance damage, although comparatively light, extended for several more miles. Glass was broken up to 12 miles.

In Nagasaki, a smaller area of the city was actually destroyed than in Hiroshima, because the hills which enclosed the target area restricted the spread of the great blast; but careful examination of the effects of the explosion gave evidence of even greater blast effects than in Hiroshima. Total destruction spread over an area of about 3 square miles. Over a third of the 50,000 buildings in the target area of Nagasaki were destroyed or seriously damaged. The complete destruction of the huge steel works and the torpedo plant was especially impressive. The steel frames of all buildings within a mile of the explosion were pushed away, as by a giant hand, from the point of detonation. The badly burned area extended for 3 miles in length. The hillsides up to a radius of 8,000 feet were scorched, giving them an autumnal appearance.

Memorandum discussed with the President, April 25, 1945
Source: Henry Stimson Diary, Manuscripts and Archives, Yale University Library, Henry Lewis Stimson Papers (microfilm at Library of Congress)

5. The world in its present state of moral advancement compared with its technical development would be eventually at the mercy of such a weapon. In other words, modern civilization might be completely destroyed.

6. To approach any world peace organization of any pattern now likely to be considered, without and appreciation by the leaders of our country of the power of this new weapon, would seem to be unrealistic. No system of control heretofore considered would be adequate to control this menace. Both inside any particular county and between the nations on the world, the control of this weapon will undoubtedly be a matter of the greatest difficulty and would involve such thorough-going rights of inspection and internal controls as we have never heretofore contemplated.

7. Furthermore, in the light of our present position with reference to this weapon, the question of sharing it with other nations and, if so shared, upon what terms, becomes a primary question of our foreign relations. Also our leadership in the war and in the development of this weapon has places a certain moral responsibility upon which we cannot shirk without very serious responsibility for any disaster to civilization which it would further.

8. In the other hand, if the problem of the proper use of this weapon can be solved, we would have the opportunity to bring the world into a pattern in which the peace of the world and our civilization can be saved.

9. As stated in general Groves’ report, steps are under way looking towards the establishment of a select committee of particular qualifications for recommending action to the Executive and legislative branches of our government when the secrecy is no longer in full effect. The committee would also recommend the actions to be taken by the War Department prior to that time in anticipation of the postwar problems. All recommendations would of course be first submitted to the president.

if germany had created two nukes before us and then used them on a british city and an american city, and then go on to lose the war, the germans responsible, even the pilots that flew the bombers, would've been condemned for crimes against humanity and would've been executed following the nuremberg trials.

all this "saving lives" bs is so funny. yes, kill ppl to save ppl, yup, makes sense.

To someone with understanding of the concept and issues at hand, it does make sense. If the 9/11 hijackers were killed before they carried out their plan, thousands of lives would have been saved...by killing a few men. Same logic applies here. Bomb two japanese cities, kill hundreds of people, save thousands more that would have died during the land invasion. Very easy to understand if you know anything about the subject.

I think this debat is useless... some of you even change the whole history nvm this.
You cannot change anything with this debat its endless, you cannot make me thinking america is powerful or great... no one can not make me thing america is not guilty for what happens in Japan or what is happening now.
All we do in this threat is giving facts and facts... and more facts and all this facts is faceing that America killed milions of ppl with no reason after the war is over. Hitler have some reason after all he hates them lol (joke..) so imo america = hitler there is no differenses.

the atomic bombs are justified, we would have had so many dead people if we made a landing attempt with soldiers. like d-day, only difference is that there are civilians running at you with sticks

but for what americans did in the past, and this days (Japan,S.America,Africa,Europe,Asia) i have no respect for them, america is total 0 for me. But thats just my opinion.

Oh common, you think only about yourself.

Americans COULD loose lots of soldiers, and Japan did it, and not only soldiers, but most important, civilians.

If America is strongest, with strongest military, why not crush enemy in other ways? like destroying their military, not whole cities. And some ppl say Japan had weak military. Thats funny, strongest military on planet used a-bombs against his weak enemy. America was scared...worried, confused, call ir how you want, but strongest military would invade country, and finish job by "hands", not a-bombs.

But the bombs were dropped. Everything ended quickly. I'm not against america, i dont hate them, i'm not calling americans guilty...but for what americans did in the past, and this days (Japan,S.America,Africa,Europe,Asia) i have no respect for them, america is total 0 for me. But thats just my opinion.