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Spiral is now in Spiritus union.

spiral botting guild now?

weak

Sabotage the goal of having a legit-dominated server just for the convenience of having a "quiet environment."

Correct me if I got that wrong.

Do not preach what you don't know of, we invited _Darkness_ today because he said he was never a botter(yet to be verified) and will never bot. If you ever see him bot, feel free to PM me. Isn't converting botters to become legit a part of the whole legit war? I'll make sure he will be out of Spiral if someone provides me with evidence justifies that he bots. I rather be with a bunch of botters than you bunch of stuckup brats from Epic union. Flaming me here won't earn our loyalty.

People like you is one of my reasons of leaving Epic union.

i've never said nething bad about spiral ever. what do u want me to think? u leave epic union to join a botter union days before the first FW. u say u'll stay in the union for FW, which means u'll be fighting us, while allying urselves wit bot guilds. it's ppl like u that let botters play and think they're so special. ur members are cool, i like icecrash and divindust and kain n kyliss, n i like u too.

don't call us spoiled brats. we take things head on and we grind hard so we could have a chance at defeating the botters. we can and will survive without spiral, but losing u guys was a big loss for us, in people and in morale. losing u guys to spiritus was even worse.

about getting botters to go legit, that is our goal too. however, having a botter say he's going legit, but then keep that botted char is just plain stupid. tell the hand grind a new char, then he'll be legit in our eyes.

Give off some proof first. I dont believe Spiral has botters, or that they are aware of.
All I can hope for is Spiral taking FW or helping legits take FW. And enough with the annoying drama, Spiral left Epic union with some reasons being unknown, and some obvious.

I take back what I said about Spiral inviting botters. I was being too hasty.

You have to understand that it wasn't an easy decision for me. Whichever side I take, I lose allies. You need to understand that my goal was to make Hera a legit server by conquering the Jangan Fortress. However, I soon realized that it was not worth it to do it with Epic. The odds doesn't look good with Epic too. Instead of yelling DIIIIIIIIICCCCCCK or pr0n all day in the union chat, you guys should have used the time to grind.

You said that Spiral will be a great ally of Epic for the fortress quest, but none of the actions you guys ever take justifies that. Spiral left Epic union 3 times. Ever noticed that you guys were the problem? Rather than blaming us for not wanting to win for legits with Epic.

The first time we left was because we did not favor Epic's acting of taking over Vengeance's leadership of union. It was obvious that Epic soon surpassed Vengeance in terms of active players and levels. However, rather than assisting them, Epic decided to devoured Vengeance union by claiming the union leadership and left Vengeance to die, forcing a merge from them. However, Spiral agreed to rejoin Epic union because Genocide offered to give up his leadership to Topdog.

The second time was when, Spiral became a LV5 guild. As I didn't agree their actions of devouring Vengeance, I wanted to try them out by doing the same. I said on union chat, that I could offer a union logo if we would be the leaders. Suddenly, flames started to spread like wildfire on the union chat, saying I was power hungry. I kept the act on, seeing how Epic would react if I brought up what they did with Vengeance. I said, why not? I thought it was agreed that everyone in this union is equal, means it doesn't matter who was the union leader because we make our decisions as one. Epic members replied that the situation wasn't the same. I replied, why not? It's obvious that Spiral should be the union leader, we have more active players with higher levels. Moreover, we were able to get the guild to Lv5. They kept denying that the situation was different compared to when they devoured Vengeance. Not long after, I started a PM with Topdog which ended up inviting me and IceCrash to have a conversation with Topdog. During the long 2 hour talk, we managed to voice out our concerns to the union. We felt that Spiral was treated as outcasts, it all started when IceCrash used to be in Vengeance, he was constantly under fire as he was partying with those from Spiral rather than those in Vengeance or Epic. That was the first when we time we noticed that this union does not treat us as one of them. One day he said enough is enough, then him and z0d joined Spiral. Other than that, IceCrash also mentioned that there were numerous members giving him trouble. After that, Topdog and Ven both agreed that they will bring all the issues to an end. However, not even 2 days after, things went back to normal again. Except the fact that ExoKill was booted because he started botting or something like that. We decided to hang on in Epic union as we still think that it is important for us to stick together, as legits.

However, not long after, the day started usual, until we needed a Wizard in the party. Being a guildmate of Ven, Octavius asked him if he wants to join the party. Ven agreed, however not long after our usual party mate Kyliss got on, at that time Kyliss had superior levels and cleric subs compared to Ven, which was exactly what we required for grinding at Niya Hunters. On the other hand, Ven who was used to solo-ing has a higher bard sub and a weak cleric sub. It was an obvious choice that for me, as the party leader to excuse Ven for Kyliss. However, IceCrash was AFK that time as he had some emergencies as he just stood there without moving. Everyone in the party knew he will be gone for long as it is very unusual for him to just walk off the PC like that when he is on GT. I offered Ven IceCrash's spot in the party, saying he could stay until IceCrash returns, which will be in a while. Ven was very offended, and left the party and scrolled back to town right away. Since then, Ven has been rejecting anymore party invites from Spiral, bearing hostility against me for "booting" him.

2 weeks later, this topic was suddenly brought up in the union chat, and started a huge argument between both of us. After complaints from people as we flooded the chat, we took it into PM. There, Ven said that I handled the incident wrongly, saying that I should have not brought Kyliss in. I replied, I never booted you, I offered you a spot in the party, if you stayed, you would have been happily grinding for 2-3 more hours. However, as the discussion went on Ven called me a Nazi tyrant due to the fact I only want the best for party, saying that I am selfish for not helping others from the union to level. He insisted that I should help people to level by allowing people into the party. I replied saying that this is not the way I do stuff, as I believe that everyone should work for their gains. No one in the party was just there to fill up space, they were there to contribute and make the party as efficient as possible. As this trailed on, he started to insulting me saying that the way I think is selfish because I grind with a group of friends constantly to loosen the gap between us and bots. He insulted my belief, saying that I am wrong for the way I was borned and rasied, also claiming that being nice is different in US than the place I'm from. It's not like I never helped the union, I just do it differently, for example I loaned my lower staffs to ZeroRegret so he could save some cash.

This is a screenshot of the final part of my conversation with Ven:



Not long after, feeling unsatisfied, I started to annoy Ven on the union chat. It was where he said that someone should do something according his way, couldn't remember what was it though. I tried to get back at him by adding a sarcastic comment, saying that everyone should follow Ven's way if not you're damned to be wrong. Then another argument started, as it went on, members of the union were all supporting his insults, not knowing what happened. I felt disappointed and angry at the same time and I seceded from the union.

I had a conversation with Oblivion, a member of Epic. He said that Topdog boots anyone based on favoritism as well. I don't see why I have to face so much trouble for "booting" ven.

After having talks with guildmates, I still believe that we should unite with Epic to win the Fortress War. I even contacted Topdog to invite Spiral to the union again. However, as I told my decision to the mates, people disagreed to rejoin as they have lost faith in the union. I delayed the invitation until the next day as we couldn't agree on a decision. That was when we decided to join Spiritus because they always needed help to fight against a larger bot union, known as MARVEL. Although we joined Spiritus, our guild REMAINS legit. As pointed out by whitesnow earlier, she claimed that Spiral accept bots into the guild now, which is false. _Darkness_ has been a member in our party when we needed a Wizard, although he is from a bot guild, he claims not to be a botter and I yet to see him bot. I warned him that if I ever saw him botting, I would boot him from the guild, and he agreed. Rather than that, shouldn't we pay more attention to 2 new recruits of Epic? The names are expel1k and AnAkSuNaMuN_. expel1k was one of the early members of Spiral, however he was removed from our guild because he decided to start botting. As for AnAkSuNaMun_, I have seen him botting and even D/Ced him at the potion lady of Hotan.

So, here we are at Spiritus union. I do not bear any hostility against Epic union itself. I just think that it is a war and they can only be competiton as we aim for occupying Jangan Fortress. Topdog pmed me saying that we should form some kind of alliance, not to kill each other during the Fotress War. I only responded that Spiral will remove those who stand between us and the Fortress Heart. Knowing that, Epic and Spiral will take different routes to the Fortress Heart and we will have to fight it out at the Fortress Heart, if all goes well. Also, Spiral will not be in Spiritus for long term. We plan to form our own union in the future. To those who think that Spiral will work for Spiritus, they had it wrong because we plan to be the occupants of Jangan Fortress. I apologize if I misled anyone and I hope this post will justify our actions.

I need to add something, not long ago, Kain told me Topdog pmed him saying that he should vote for a new leader in Spiral. He didn't told us his reasons, but I think everyone is intelligent to understand his intent of doing so.

ah, that clears up a few things, sorry i spoke before knowing the facts.

i have a few more questions though:

why did you feel that spiral was treated as outcasts?

why did you feel the need to test epic union on union leadership? i see this point as the catalyst for everything else that happened. by acting as if you deserved union leader, u gave the other union members a false impression of yourself, which later on caused many problems.

on the whole "dickkk/pron" jokes in union chat, we like to joke around. doing that while grinding doesn't really slow down grinding at all. we also grind when we can, we don't have set times like you do.

<3 atmosph3re

Remember when both IceCrash and z0d were still in Vengeance? Epic were giving a hard time because they didn't want them to party with those from Spiral. That was one of the earlier hints we got slapped right into our face.

I tested Epic because I wanted to see how they would react if they would be devoured by the same way they did to Vengeance. Everything was cleared up later in vent, didn't Ven and Topdog tell you anything about it?

I know that the spam on union chat was just as a joke, but it gets annoying ya know. We do not have set times, we just have commitment from every member in the party.

spirals still legit, still recruiting so if your playing Hera and need a guild leave your info here, or pm any spiral memmber in-game.

thx 4 alllll

i'm sure it wasn't all of epic that were giving them a hard time. icecrash and z0d were both very dedicated to lvling, and always dying because of bad party members frustrates them. it frustrates me too. i know some of the people that gave them a hard time, but that's only a select few. the rest of the union, meaning 70% of the people that doesn't have union chat always liked partying with spiral. we realized early on that spiral had good players. you must have partied with some high level epic members, most of them are laid back and fun to talk to, and except for a select few, they wouldn't talk behind ur backs.

as for ur test, i was never within the leadership group of people. i don't like how complicated they make things, and i'm never on vent when the drama happens. however, i was there when epic left the veng union. it seems to me that genocide left because exokill at that time was union leader. i think you know the exokill fiasco, so i won't dwell on it. you shouldn't blame epic so much for leaving. i was close to leaving vengeance and joining them because i was frustrated too. it was within the first two weeks of hera, we needed a good start. i believe that when epic took union leadership, we pulled thru that.

i can see how union spam can be annoying, especially when members of your party do it. i've contributed to the spam too, so i don't have the right to say i hate it. if it gets to you, can't you just hit the party or guild tab? if someone's really annoying you, just block them. some of our party members may not give as much commitment for the party as others, but we make it work. our parties work, and everyone's learning everyday. everyone plays there part, and we tell off the people that don't.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i see that u'r a delicate individual. you like to do things right, and when that doesn't happen, you take it personally and blow it out of proportion. ur frequent withdrawals from the union attest to that. we have similar interests and goals, and we're at a crucial time in the life of the server. there aren't a lot of legits on hera, most of them are in epic union. if you go off and make ur own union and take half the legits away, there won't be enough people to fill both unions. we need to make a strong stand against botters, not fight each other, especially at a time like this.

nice post. but this has really gone on for a long time. as of right now, its kinda late to make any decisions. wait till after FW. I really did not realize i might've caused such a big deal by entering the party that one day. i really wish i could go back and not do that now. But it happened, and i'm sorry if it really pissed off ven. i even apologized to him several times...but oh well. good luck atmos ^_^

good luck to you too kyliss ^_^ and spiral ^_^

boo to rest of spiritus and marvel =P

LOL

I read this and I cant believe you guys completely miss the obvious.

BakaFish helped a bot guild take over his server. You say you did it for peace? LOL You have to work at being legit and its not easy. I laughed every time one of you said what we did on Venus was easy and anyone could do it.

Now you know why so many ppl are botters. Because it is quiet and easy. Of course there is less drama in a bot union. Hello. They are AFK. They dont talk much. Most bots are dumb as rocks anyways and if it involves anything more complicated than pressing insert, they fail.

I have zero respect for you as a player BakaFish. You are the worst kind of legit and not really one. You only talk the talk, you cant walk the walk and you make it easier for botters in SRO. Im glad you are in Hera. The fact that you think sabotaging the legits of your own server out of revenge for feeling ignored is the most retarded excuse for going bot I have ever heard.

As for the "Spiral is legit and doesnt bot" thing....

If I join the KKK and you call me racist, do I have the right to act all affronted and insulted? I mean can you PROVE I am a racist?

If you join a bot union and you support that union, you are a bot supporter. You cant call yourself fully legit anymore. You cant even call yourself smart tbh.

Damn it, u just fck up all legits in Hera. The time they spent, the hardwork they did. And ur strategy have failed. I felt sorry for all the legits there. GG Hera.

so what does this say about Spiral and the Epic union? you guys are all talk because you guys said you would do this, this, and that, and i havent seen anything accomplished. Also, notice that you guys are one of the main sources of the problem in the Epic Union. So, before you go off saying that the Epic Union is full of drama, which it is, consider that you guys have created approximately 1/4 - 1/3 of the problems.

Real people interacting causes drama. It's called human nature. It's what humans do.

Humans and computer programs dont have drama. It's what bots do.

Effing retards.

Wow this is the guild that i have been looking for in ages. Right now im lvl 62 but i really wanna play in hera and join your guild. Is there a high lvl plvling at ongs or do you guys not do plvling. I LOVE YOUR GUILD. LOOKING FORWARD TO JOIN. LEAVE ME A SPACE IN YOUR GUILD(ICECRASH).

>.<" ye it does suck that a bottin union got it. i really wished we could've worked something out...

Spiral were not fighting to make Hera Venus the second to start with.

We were never under your command, Empress nightbloom. We were never affiliated with Avalon's goal, conquering and dismissing bots. Dealing with bots is Joymax's responsibilities, not ours, we just play the game.

Being legit to me, means not to use a bot, buy gold or anything related with cheating the game.

We DID not sabotage Epic. We did not left the union just to union with Spiritus during Fortress War.

Yes, where there's people there's trouble as well. However, it doesn't apply when we are constantly under fire for deeds they do as well. I've been in guilds and unions, but this is the first time I've been in so much drama.

Like i said, you support a bot Union, then you support bots. You obviously appprove of botting.

I'm not a player in Hera, I just came to voice my opinion on what you've been saying. I cut a lot out of your post, hopefully keeping together it's meaning as you intended.

The first part I quoted you for I'm going to comment on as a criticism of how you're acting as a party leader. If you have a full functional party, don't boot people for people that have higher levels. If you had everything you needed for your party, you should have just told the "regular party member" that logged in too late, that they would get the next spot as soon as someone decided to leave. Your choice in doing so, but you will offend several people by showing that kind of blatant favortism. *Again, you didn't say if this was a functional party or not, meaning if it had a cleric, tanks, etc. If it wasn't the case, then the party was built incorrectly...*

Second part; you felt unsatisfied after your conversation? To me it sounds like you were trying to create drama in the union by bringing the whole thing into union chat rather than pm'ing him again. The fact that you chose the word "annoy" shows really how you act as a person. Is it also mature to add a sarcastic comment to "get back at him"? And then you seceded from the union because you're attempt to cause drama backfired on you?

Finally based on the last thing I have you quoted for saying, I would vote for a new leader too. It sounds like you are stuck up, unintelligible, and power hungry. You moved your guild from a "weaker" legit union to a "strong" botting union, in order to beat an even "stronger" botting union? I may be wrong, but you are displaying this in your very posts, and showing that you're an ignorant fool. Your arrogance shows in your posts and how you act. Learn how to act like a leader before you try to be one.

The party was having a hard time surviving without a good level of Bless Spell because Niya Hunters could kill Wizards in 1 hit. I might have not handled the situation the best possible way, but I tried. I thought Ven was mature enough to understand but I did not expect he took that much offence out of it.

I expected the union to at least inquire before started siding people. I was disappointed how favoritism was against us that time. No one inquired though they don't know the story behind it.

I never claimed that I join Spiritus to win against MARVEL to start with. By the way, all guild related decisions are were agreed by the members before it is taken. I for myself, believe in democracy. I do not decide anything for the guild just based on merely my own opinion.

Maybe I read it wrong, but to me that means joining bot union to beat larger (stonger) bot union. (I could be misinterpreting it of course...)

What I'm trying to imply was that they would allow us into their union because they have been asking us to join them numerous times now, claiming that they need help to fight against MARVEL.

i think the topic is straying off target a little bit, but anyways, joining a bot union doesn't mean that you guys bot, but makes all the legits question your motive. Originally you joined an anti-bot union, bot now in a union full of bots. Makes us question if you guys are just tired of leveling and starting to bot. I'm not implying you are, but you have to consider our view point. Also I wish to state to everyone, that spiral is not a strong guild. They just put up a tough act, but in reality they are just a paper weight guild. No offense.

Spiral is a pretty laid back cool guild, and has some great parties at generals. I'd recommend them to a friend.

I wouldn't say they're weak either, were you at FW? They went out there with a single party and absolutely destroyed Marvel and a few others from Marvels union, ending their only real attempt to take back the fortress.

Good luck in recruiting you guys.

no no, i can call them paper weight because they have 8 strong people and 30 weak people. Not exactly tough to beat. I do not recommend them to anyone, because they do not help anyone besides themselves. These guys are very self-centered.