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Seriously, just because you declare so in RED (or any other color for that matter) does not make it so.

And just who might you be that qualifies you to pass judgment on which guilds bot or do not bot on Aege? What is your standing on our server? What's your IGN and how long have you actually been around? As long as we're up to being sanctimonious, how about some transparency, eh? If not, then we might as well just chalk you up to be another run-of-the-mill botter who thinks that just because he/she has to cheat to thread water in game, everyone else does. Because it's just too easy to spout BS from behind the veil of anonymity. If "RogueKiller" is your char name on Aege, then well ... lol is all I have to say ... sorry, never heard of you. Seems you're now even taking a break from sro, according to your siggy ... so, quite possibly you're not really "in the know." I mean, have you ever been a part of our 15-guild, 2-union, 100% legit alliance? Have you ever been a member of the guilds you are accusing? Have you actually personally seen any members of these guilds botting? And if so, have you any semblance of proof to back your accusations?

Our current alliance is quite possibly the largest and oldest surviving fully legit band of guilds on iSRO (is there a larger one still thriving on Xian?), and, let me tell you, maintaining the continuing legitimacy of our organization has been and continues to be HARD WORK. On a server, where close to 60-70% of the population bots/hacks/scams/etc., we are proud to have more than stood our ground since day one of Aege's inception. We have done so since 2005. We have a system of vetting all incoming members and guilds, and since we've been around so long we are truly in the know. We have an internal system of checks and balances. And even though we have been "infiltrated" on occasion (regrettably), bots in our alliance rarely stick around for more than 24-48 hours. We have kicked a host of players in our history, and one entire guild, and have had to tweak our vetting process in light of those past failures. So, yes, "100% legit" might be viewed as hyperbole, but in our view what it really means is: 100% dedication to striving to remain honest & bot-free.

Nightbloom mentioned being pro-legit, and not anti-bot .. well, in our case, the general anti-bot sentiment runs VERY deep. That is why I say, if you've been in our alliance, you would not be making these accusations (disgruntled ex-members aside). Rather, you would simply know that there's no way in hell a botter guild could or would even want to stand in our midst. Ask Discovery why they left our union after two days ...

As for the 2 guilds in question ... Illuminati has been in our alliance for close to 1.5 years. I recollect one or two incidences of botting in that guild (one fairly recently), both of which were dealt with promptly. Does that make Illuminati a botter guild? I think any fair-minded person would say, no it's doesn't. Perhaps, "RogueKiller," you have your bar raised higher than mine, but I doubt that.

As for Junkies, they are a relatively new addition and have been in our alliance for just 2.5 months. There have been, as yet, NO reports of botting lodged against any of their members. We are aware of one character in that guild that was previously botted, but have verified that the new owner of the character had no knowledge of the character's past. There are 2 other characters among 500+ in our alliance (total=3, to the best of our knowledge) with similar case histories. We are generally reluctant to allow characters with a dubious history into our ranks, even with new owners. But these are dealt with on a case-by-case basis, and only if backed by an overwhelming number of recommendations. In the case of Junkies, the guild itself had to wait almost 3 weeks without a union while we vetted them.

Again, if you have proof feel free to post what you have here or pm me if you so wish. We are committed to staying honest & bot-free, and as such will treat all claims of merit with due attention. Offending players and/or guilds WILL be booted if the evidence is irrefutable. In the absence of proof, however, I suggest being less declarative.

On a side note ... on the recent "legit guilds" and "fortress owner" threads ... and this is my opinion only ... while the information may well be of general interest, my feeling is both threads smack of gloating and, by extension, invites the kind of negative/envious/malicious responses we are witnessing here. Methinks we could do without the lot of it. But then again, maybe that's what constitutes a public forum. Just not my cup of tea I guess.

Every FW I make one of these threads. I like to know who won and who lost because I got sick of ppl saying the fortress couldnt be taken. We all know it can cause there are only three servers left where the first owners still have it.

Anways, when I started making these threads, ppl came and flamed me, as always. I defended myself, as always. Over time now tho, more and more legits have come to Venus and I am not defending alone. ^^ Legits are slowly coming around. I love it. I am an activist at heart and seeing the change in legit attitudes towards SRO in general after playing in Venus for a while is great.

Back before Venus, Fly and I made a plan because we refused to give up on a game we really enjoyed playing. We tried other games... lots of them. They just dont have it. But our plan isnt fully completed. We arent done yet. Do you really think we only want one legit server? We want ppl to be inspired to do it again on other servers because it is possible. Look at Odin, which was our initial inspiration. We arent going to stop talking about it, promoting it, egging legits on to do it again on their own servers or come help us on ours. If you want to call that gloating, so be it. After I easily log into my server, say hi to my union and get 100s of hi's back, go fight a FW with and against real ppl, train with real ppl, cape at the town gate with and against real people..etc..etc..etc.. Ill think... wait, nevermind, Im lying, I wont think about this at all, Ill be too busy. lol

It's much easier for euros to defend and its easier for chinese to take over, you guys had a lot of people on for the fortress war, took it and of course no one will take it from you anymore. Unless you have a 3:1 ratio of attackers.

3 full euro parties could defend fortress from all sides without any problem, but chinese cant. And most of the botters on Venus were chinese, which was retarded to begin with, no sun dropping and they go chinese..

Thats why i think FW sucks. Suck because it lacks fun... if you won FW, you will hold it pretty easy, and that means, no fun, and no fear that you can loose it. Now, always when i take a look at FW winners list, it's almost the same

Avalon is a nice guild ^^
(i'm in BHA union) and in the FW someone from Avalon killed me(forgot who it was), and I was pretty pissed because my guild; SD, told me they would not kill us. and i thought like wth?? but then he said like 100 times Sorry; and called immediately(sumthing like that) someone to res me, (i was like 5 meters from camp) so, don't blame Avalon, or NB anything

Well lets see...
I've been around from about February 06 on Aege. With this one name since the beginning, check silkroadtavern if u have questions. And no, my bars for botting arent set as high as yours may be but I have seen these "bots". And even if your statement is 100% true then dont you think you would ban people from your union from buying gold? So your telling me that all those sun weapons that exist in your union and the people with the billions of gold earned it fair and square?

Alright I say only 5 of those guilds come closest to 100% legit and they are-
JeeshDragon
ADG
ChampionZ
J4mr0ck
Templarios

Being the head of your union doesn't mean you know the most about your own union. Not to pick out names but I know for a fact that a few members that I've had a chat with saying they've used a multi client. As for those name I can pm them to you if you would like, all you need to do is ask. The only third party program I could understand is the No-DC client because JM doesnt fix it so they left it up to the players to fix it themselves.

Lastly you can rarely claim a full union to be legit, especially on Aege with over 80% of the population botting and over 90% of the capped players botting. In a union so big its hard to catch someone botting because you dont know everyone. You only know the people with union chat, your guildies and some other members you came across. And with a map so big its hard to see or catch these things.

As for my IGN, Guild, Union, Union Leader your going to have to pm me for that info.

EDIT: Next time I see one i'll mess around with it to prove that you do have a few botters left and pm it to u. Its Aege no one is 100% legit. All i can say if you buy gold is 80% legit? Fair enough.

I think we need to make a sticky of this. Otherwise next week, NB will make another same topic again

Not a bad idea.

Maybe instead she should ask for the servers in PM's instead of messages on here... But then again, she probably won't get as many answers.

u mean she gonna pm everyone ? ... ... lol

Err... Meant for them to PM her.

ya, if there were no bots, and they are still here, so why not hate bots and try to get them outta the server instead of competing with legits?

does everyone in ur union by premium plus?

BTW i have a char in venus, and im in a great legit union (Oddessy), so i know what im talking about. im not saying venus sucks, surely there are a lot of legits, and low lvl parties, but i dont like how Avalon keeps on bragging .

Having wars and losing is more fun than being ignored. The quickest way to get rid of bots is not by including them in all the fun but by excluding them from all the fun.

athens war was one of the funnest yet. non-stop fighting for 2 hours.Reunited union and server took the fort with 1 hour to go. NW union/project_d took it over in the end in less than 50 minutes which proved to the server they were the bigger strength between the power union and the netwarrior union. prize money = over 900 million gold. both had a good mix of euros and chinese. minimum 100+ each great game

Nightbloom - I'm not denigrating your efforts to create a legit utopia on your new chosen server. Rather, I applaud the effort as a notable and commendable solution -- one that allows legit players the opportunity to fully enjoy this game (though, imo, this is not the only way & arguably not the best way - but more on this later). Also, your motives are your own, and my contention was, in actual fact, that threads of this nature leave themselves open to the possibility of being PERCEIVED as a platform for gloating, regardless of that perception being right or wrong. I don't think we need to argue on the issue of perception since that is relative to each individual poster. As is it, a percentage of the responses here should suffice to indicate to you how this thread is or isn't being perceived by its readers.

If your underlying agenda is to promote Venus as a legit haven, kudos to you. Personally, I would have no issues with an open and upfront "Calling All Legits to Venus" type post. My opinion remains that threads listing and updating current fortress owners and/or legit guilds, etc., threads of these types, are best served by a neutral party seeking to disseminate public information only (but again, this is just my opinion ... no need to fret^^). You only need ask yourself if you would be making these threads if Avalon did in fact NOT own a fortress ...

As for your efforts on Venus, imo it's kinda akin to abandoning a jaded and diseased earth and setting up a new, pristine, human colony on the moon or mars (or, hell, Venus, while we're at it^^). It's like the promise of a new tomorrow ending of the Matrix trilogy (lol :p). It's a bold, passionate, move and evidently you're very pleased with the results. So credit where credit is due -- great job on claiming an entire server in the name of honest, legit players. I applaud you.

The flip side is this: On Aege, we had a core of a hundred or more dedicated legit gamers who loved our server enough not to abandon it. Our numbers have since grown of course. Sorry for yet another lame movie analogy, but it's literally a Terminator-type scenario here -- man vs. machine trench wars, and yes it's far from pretty, but we love our server ... warts, bots and all. Good vs. Evil -- hell, what's not to like? There's hardly ever a boring day on Aege ( though the most recent fortress war was a bit of a letdown ). It's not unlike our own imperfect world where cheaters abound at every level of society, from schools all the way up (or is that down?) to government, but the good guys still have a fair chance at winning (and that belief has kept us in the game.) So yea, to each his own. People complain that Joymax has failed to police this game, and they aren't wrong of course. But to complain and yet choose to remain? Far better to do what you have done, and stake claim upon your own Utopian server. For me, I see the lack to oversight as a rather interesting experiment in self-government -- by the players, of the players. A cowboy town on the New Frontier role-playing scenario, if you will.

The current state of Aege? By my estimate, a bot majority of 60-70% probably owning something close to 70-80% of the server's sosun and wealth, BUT a server on which a mighty legit resistance has risen, battle-hardened, against the odds, to gain mastery over both its fortress and trade routes...

(And if that's not gloating, then bugger me :p )

RogueKiller - I'll refrain from a full reply till you're up to full transparency, OK? My feeling is that if we're being accused of some alleged wrongdoing, then we deserve to know the identity of our accuser, no? I don't see why your IGN needs to be revealed via private message. Your allegations have been very public, so let's have a name to go with them since you seem determined to stand by what you say. As I've said, show us (this forum) some proof, and start by coming out into the light. It's not like I'm asking you to reveal your RL name and address, lol. And while we're at it, if you have "names" as you say you have, why not go for transparency on both ends and reveal those names here? No need to privately message those names to me, OK? Publish those names here, and let's give those players a chance to answer your allegations. I have 100% confidence in the legitimacy of our alliance because I am just one among hundreds in our clan who work tirelessly to weed out the bots among us -- this is a daily on-going war against bots for us. Aege is no Utopian bot-free paradise, and that very fact drives us to be all the more vigilant. We fight openly to stay bot-free ... there's no need to to sweep anything under the carpet via private messages and such. So, come clean on this forum, RogueKiller, and let's have some names... starting with yours.

Wow, one long post Wind

I love to see that theres still legits that manage to get past the whole "legits are meant to be low level" mentality and actually own the fortress on an old server. I'd have to say, Aege is one of the most populated servers out there. Although I have no idea who plays on the server anymore (most of my old friends who moved to Aege from Xian quit) its still a miracle to see 100 legits around.

To the whole bot vs legit thing, we have tried it before. During the 70 cap, it was rampant in Xian. I guess in the cycle, this would be the medieval ages of Silkroad. After a while, it does kinda get boring, and you discover a renaissance. Theres many legit unions scattered around in all the other 29 servers, competing with the bots. What our MAIN goal is to get them all on one server. Like I said before, our TRUE goal is not to keep the fortress forever, but to lose it because 5 legit unions banded together to take it from us.

Ultimately i'd have to say that fighting a war with bots is entertaining, but it won't last forever. I've seen firsthand the degeneration of the server, as more and more people pick up the white hand. Fighting a war AGAINST bots has been interesting to watch, but we are not even close to being done. Legits offer the same competition as botters do, only you can respect the legit your fighting against, because you know he leveled to 80 the same way you did.

As I said before, we're not close to done with Venus. If I had to estimate, i'd say we are 30% done with making it legit. If we had maybe 2-3 more legit unions in the server, it would be JUST like every other server in terms of pvp quality. Right now, people join the server in groups of 1, maybe 2-3. I've been trying to get whole legit union to come by, and its not an easy task. Many of them won't leave their servers, for a multitude of reasons. But, for the ones who have, they haven't gone back since. Wind, whenever your bored (no pvp, no action, ect) you should hop by, just to try it out. We'll convert you to our religion of Venus

Personal question to Wind: Since you played on Aege, have you been around since the 60 cap? Also, whats your ign.


Edit: Reason why we don't make a "calling all legits to Venus" type post is, we already recruited most of the players off SRF. Its the legits who don't visit the forums that we're trying to target now.

Wait... You thought I made this thread for that reason?

ROFL

This is why I made the thread and why I make it every FW. Fortress Wars It has nothing to do with being in Avalon. ^^ I like to keep track because JoyMax isnt doing it like they do on KSRO. So I have just done it.

Otherwise I dont post much here. Only when something comes up... What Bob (ThisIsAvalon) posts is about him and nothing to do with me. I support his posts tho, cause he is a smart cookie who helped make Venus what it is.

My name on Aege is what it is here. As for my union and guild you can look it up yourself. Now if you need anything else tell me...Fair enough? I will happily answer them.

Let's try to keep this one shorter, lol, and hopefully the law of diminishing returns will kick in ...

Nightbloom - As I've said ... your motives are your own. I'll not speculate on your reasons for posting whatever you post as there's no reason to do so. As regards to promoting Venus on these forums as a legit haven ... 1. I see nothing wrong with you doing so ... 2. That was in fact a direct response to what you said in your last entry ... "I'm an activist" etc. You spoke about the situation on Venus, and I was responding to that ... nothing directly to do with your FW threads. The point I was making about the thread is that these kinds of threads can be used/abused as a platform for gloating and, by extension, as an invitation to flame wars.... nothing more. I already know you disagree with my point of view on this, so let's leave it at that, ok? I'll take it that there'll be more "who won fortress war" threads in the coming weeks & months!

Bob - My IGN is ... Wind I moved from GuildWars to SRO beta (or was that alpha?) in 2005, played on Xian for a short span & moved to Aege the day it opened. We formed Dejavu guild (DJV) in Dec 2005, which I believe is the oldest surviving legit guild on our server. In June of '07, DJV & ADG officially became brother & sister guilds under a single management, co-heading the oldest legit union on Aege. At the start of '08, we merged with Championz union & JeeshDragon union, forming a unified alliance of 15 legit guilds. But, for shame, enough about me/us.

To put it simply, to leave our server would be to give it over to the botters and that's not something we would do. I know of this cycle you speak of ... Aege's evolution has not been so different from Xian's I think. The difference is we've gotten over the hump, weathered the worst of times, and emerged stronger and on top. We've seen all the biggest, baddest botter unions (Heaven, Infamous, etc.) crumble and fall apart, and here we still stand. Of course all good things must eventually come to end, but I'm pretty sure that's a hurdle for the next generation of Aegean players to overcome.

RogueKiller - I'm sorry, but I've not heard of you. But then again I don't know everyone in-game. I simply ask you to provide proof to back your allegations, so that we may be able to act accordingly if your evidence has merit. Feel free to provide names of players along with whatever evidence you have. You may use this board (perhaps start a new thread or, better yet, use the "botters exposed" section?) to post such evidence , if any, so that the guilds/players in question will have a fair avenue through which to answer any charges.

lutznosp again

Stop bitching and go get ready for the next fortress. And for god's sake, the three servers who havent overtaken the fortress need help. GOGOGOGOGO

Nice words Wind, they do that feel me proudly to be in union with you (and whit all people of this union).

With regard to Nightbloom, it is admirable that you are doing it, i only can say congratulation and a lot of luck with yours project.

And with of roguekiller, I´m sorry but I have not seen you either, and take in this server from the cap 60, fighting every day, in these two years, against the bot. But have care in spite of saying that we buy gold because people of the union has sun, or similar things (Though precisely the two guild marked by you since not legit they do not have sun not even).
If you notice we go too much time in this server (I repeat that I take from the cap in 60 when somebody called Wind was not stopping killing Isy) and can extract like money legally. I personally in one week have been capable of extracting myself 250M (though at present I return to be in the bankruptcy) but for being able I could have a weapon sun.

Only I ask for respect towards our project, it is easy to accuse people without prooves or for gossips, but the result of our project is that we could have obtained a Fortress that since begun it had Infamous's name and his union. Simply with effort and with a daily struggle against the bots we have obtained it, all and every member of the union.

Regards

Wind, I can cover my allegations when I come back. I know exactly who to look for. However if I just give you names it has no meaning because it lacks proof. I could say you bot, however I lack sufficient proof. Get what I'm saying? I could just throw out names however there is no point in doing so if I do not have pictures and whatever else you need to prove someone is a botter.

Esmirigilda, I have talked to almost all of the 60 cap players, including Wind, if he doesn't remember, it doesn't matter. However I do remember just about everything. As I was saying I have talked to most 60 cap players however I never saw you around back then and I still haven't seen you around.

Finally as I mentioned before, what you guys are trying to do is for the better of the server but its not 100% full proof. I do have respect towards that task trying to be achieved.

So. Who won this week?