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That writing style... The way... Itonami? You completely misunderstood my post, and the simple explanation of what a social trap is did not suffice. Would it appease you if I went into greater detail, or are you to deluded to see that botting is not a valid option in any game; even Silk Road Online.

@blitzkrieg, you misspelled virgin, dunce. You're statement is invalid.

If you feel I misunderstood you, feel free to re-explain with a not so overthought, drawn out response. I'd love to hear it.

Botting in one game will amke you lazy in every game, this is my opinion. But still, I think this is being overthought. It would have been a more worthwhile argument without the mass of math involved.


Simplicity pl0x.

Isn't there something wrong with your diagram?

Each farmer loses 7* 1/4=7/4=1 3/4 in the end, but they gain +2....

You stated that the collective losses would be 7, and the gain would be 2....but that's 2 per person....so really..they collectively gain 8 and lose 7 which in my eyes...8 is larger than 7

But bots still suck

Your

I see your point barotix, but how is a legit supposed to compete with kids that buy tons and tons of gold, and bot and bot and bot like crazy. They have an advantage, and to compete with them...its just not pretty. They will always have more gold, have more exp, have more sp, ahve better gear. I saw this problem long ago, its too hard to compete, especially on older servers where bots are king. I have never bought gold, and after i finish selling everything i own for 90 cap, i will be short of 2bill...after the entirety of alp's life thats all i got, while turks and Kuwait members have 20bil as pocket change.

You GOT ME XD.

@No silk, The +1 only applies to the individual because only one person owns their herd of sheep, they're sharing the land not the sheep. The land gets hurt which leads to overgrazing; that means weaker sheep (i.e) sheep of less value for the individual to sell at the market. The individual is the only one that gains from owning multiple sheep at the expense of those who share the commons, and because of Human nature most likely all will contribute to the destruction of the commons. Its a self destructive pattern

@Epic, A Social trap is defined as an act done because it gives a short term aid or satisfaction to the individual, but in the end hurts said individual and others.

When you bot you achieve or believe you achieved a goal. By botting you get the end result (which is 80) for no effort, this helps you ,and only you, the individual. Now Most botters that don't use free bots are going to level so quickly that they will not have enough gold to fund their future expendutures. Now they need gold and gear to be the strongest in a Virtual Universe that apparently isn't important to them. So they buy gold.

Now Lets try to break that apart:

The botter gets level 80 and 1337 Gear: short term, but in the Long run 1]Steals Money from the company 2]Slows down updates 3]crowds servers with non paying clientless gold bots either directly by running them their self or indirectly by buying gold from the companies that sell gold obtained by said bots.4]It prevents potential customers from logging in 5]It forces the company to add a captcha and update the client so it d/c after a failed log in attempt. 5]It cause server inflation, which causes more gold buying which causes more gold bots, which (surprise, surprise) creates a decrease in gold prices to satisfy the hungry consumer, and with lowered prices more gold is bought, so the ones running the clientless gold bots (player bots) run more clientless bots, and because its clientless it uses no ram to run. This slowly over a long period of time decrease the revenue of the company and the value of the gaming experiance.

So who got "hurt" (who was effected negetively) After the botter majority got their instant satisfaction (this is over a long period of time, not near instantaneous like the 'reward' botters recieve for doing nothing):

Legits because now they can't play the bots (directly) and golbuyers (indirectly) crowded the grinding area
Botters because their bot has no where to bot, they crowded it with gold bots.
New Comers because They can't log in, since they can't log in they don't have an incentive to buy a premium for a free ( to a certain extent) game.
Joymax because they lose a lot of potential revenue.

Who wins:
No one because the collective (group) losses out wiegh the individual gain(s).


Short Sighted Goals gained through Illegitimate means (referring to botting and MMOs) results in a Lose-Lose situation for both the short sighted individual and the bystander (or contributor to the problem) who happens to share the commons (MMO).

Refer to The Grazer Sheep Example.

7>2.

@Vin,

Exactly its not pretty, which is why so many Legits have turned to botting and goldbuying: to keep up with botters and goldbuyers. If everyone in the beginning just rejected/tried to reform botters then the game would be in a better shape but to many players, even the most fervently Legit, are prey to Short Sightedness and because of matters like "winning that GW" we now have full blown bot servers. Once a botter or gold buyer starts there is little incentive to stop unless everyone stops. (refer to pollution).

Yea it is annoying as hell. But just resist the urge to stoop to their "lvl". It just means that when a legit get's really good gear and a lot of money, that's how much better they are, cause it took actual skill rather than a piece of crap bot. A bot get a sun a says oh yay another one. A legit gets one and say OMFG YESSSSSSSSSS

I was as giddy as a school girl when i found sosun garm shoulders at lvl 74 while grinding on bone soldiers. That was a lonnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggggg time ago.

LOL i remember it :O I was in hellgod and u were in impulse at this time and u were going crazy on union chat XD

good old time :O when i used to spend more time talking in union chat then grinding my nub cube :O

Morality is like a rock. It doesnt matter where you put the rock, its always a rock. You cant argue that your sense of right and wrong is excused because its a game. Cheating is wrong. We all know it. The basic argument that all botters make is, "It's OK because I can." That is a bully's argument.

wow, good to know people are taking the inter-webs seriously

-> go outside and you will realize that there are more important things in life

Yeah, I -totally- agree with you Epic.Win. Because, you know, cheating isn't something that no one should be concern about. Because, like - you know, it's just a game.

I mean, I'm totally against the idea of banning steroids from the Olympic games or steroids from sports in general. It's just a game, that people need to stop bidding money on or taking it serious. They should all get out, because they're obviously nerds who plays video games so much. You can obviously tell, because the guy wrote a big post. That really shows you how dead serious he is with the game.

In fact, I don't care - nor am I serious about this game, so why am I even posting? Oh well, I guess I'm going to go out now, to (you know) the real world.

Obv.

So you reading the topic and taking your time to post a sad attempt to degrade others..over the internet = ?

It's more than that dude. A lot of ppl on here are friends and know each other quite well. The ppl that pollute the community by supporting illegal actions are not welcome(^_^). Botting violates the TOS, Hence 1 of the many reasons it's not welcome. We don't need so many ppl saying why it is ok, because all of their reasoning has so many holes in it.

@The Bots/Bot-Supporters: If you want to bot or advertise or support it, then you apparently are not welcome here as you will sooner or later be caught. We have Spies everywhere

probably the same reason you don't go to a strip club to talk to the girls about their self-esteem

Player bots are hurting the game.
Gold bots are killing it.

The only real global problem is multiclient and goldbotting. On one computer:One player bot hardly 'inflates' the server, whereas 100 gold bots do. If people stopped using goldbots the game would be 10x better as the economy wouldn't be messed up to a high degree and wouldn't be as inflated. If people stopped using player bots it wouldn't have as great an effect.

most playerbots have 10-50 goldbots running at the same time so gold bots player bots same thing.

Daaaaaaaaamn, botting doesn't require such a huge read!

Oh and don't bash NB, she has a pwetty avatar.

Botting just defeats the object of the game, maybe botters are just curious to see the graphics of the high level combo's or the more likely option of making a bit of dosh.

LolZ?!?!

I LOL'ed.

Joymax chose a wrong way to go because they actually lose money when let gold botters messing up.

People prefer to buy gold to get plvl rather than buy silk and train or bot

Hi Barotix,

I agree with your remarks on BOT users that do not excel when the grinding area is saturated by population. Your points made of the farmers are simply raising sheep. But BOT users, or farmers, may have additional ulterior motives that may have been overlooked. Here are some examples.

1. BOT users Ulterior Motive are,
___1. Character level advancements (already a suggestion by Barotix)
______1. High level players are favorites due to status symbol
______2. High level players have levels differentiation to lower level players
___2. Gold collection
______1. Selling gold - marketing spare gold to the demand of all legal/illegal users
______2. Keeping gold - acquiring 10 bots to support the expenses of 1 character
___3. Finding Exceptional Articles and Accounts
______1. Unique and enchanted equipment
______2. Unique and enchanted weapons
______3. Alchemy items and materials
______4. Character variations
_________1. Chinese STR and INT builds on the same account
_________2. European class builds on the same account

FYI, the term "social trap" and "commons" used by you should be accredited to John Platt and "tragedy of the commons" to Garrett Harding (??? forgot how to spell his last name).

On the note prior, let's continue and take a look on remarks on "more money for Joymax". The following are BOT Ulterior Motives that really do not affect Joymax directly.
1.1.1 -> Joymax want users to become high level players.
1.1.2 -> Joymax do not care how one user cares for another user.
1.2.2 -> Joymax want users to have more than 1 account to play by account and server
1.3.1 -> No cost to Joymax
1.3.2 -> No cost to Joymax
1.3.3 -> No cost to Joymax
1.3.4 -> Indirect cost to Joymax data backup and server maintenance

7 reasons listed above benefit all BOT users yet no direct impact to Joymax
>> I bet readers now will have seconds and thirds on these 7 comments.

Here is the only reason listed so far that Joymax do not prevent/ban BOT users.
1.2.1 -> Joymax do not make money from gold sellers, directly speaking.

1 reason listed above benefit all BOT users yet cost little impact to Joymax

* 8 reasons that benefits BOT users
* 7 reasons that do not impact Joymax
* 1 reason that cost almost to none cost to Joymax.

In summary, we see BOT users' intents and benefits, but the benefactor reasons do not justify a direct impact on Joymax business; hence very little actions taken by the company. In fact, I do see revenue are degrading based on silk bonus the site has been advertising.

Food for thought: "Why is Silk Bonus a degrading? to the company? to the users?"

Anyone want some coffee? I have the classic Starbucks Sumatra.
^_^ V

lol this is funny. a bunch of legits talking about how great it is to be legit. why dont you go post this on a botter forum or somthing?

Wow.. you ever go out?I Lol'd at the diagram-like thing. I Lol'd real herd. You draw that thing?

Some people take this shit way too seriously.

whats a closet botter?

no i dont bot but obviously no one has the balls to challenge what you've said(or I havn't read all the posts) but here are some reason's why botting is better then being legit

-You get to a HIGHER level faster
-you make more gold
-People are much nicer as they havn't been stressed out by grinding nor have to deal with strenuous gold problems
-Fortress war
-Triangular trade
-Real pvp
-A life(optional)


im sure there are more that I can't think of right now but thats just to name a few.

and that owns and bs example about a sheep and a grazer, lmaoooooo

and botters can't play the market? you DO know they dont ACUTALLY bot 24/7 right? they do check gear prices and do alchemy too.


also botters ARE the economy, very few legit players make it to the point of being able to find items that would affect the market nor are there enough legits to do so

so basicly... the kind of person you listed is a selfish cunt.

find 1 pro sro community thing botters do and ill take that statement back.