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[GUIDE] European Subclasses.
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Since warrior has 3 different weapons I will break it up.

1h: cleric would be used for the ultimate tanker. Warlock if u want some more damage and a semi-unique build.

2h: Cleric would prolly be the best he because 2h has the worst defense but the highest damage. Cleric would help ur defense with out hurting ur damage that much.

Dual Axes: Warlock, With warlock debuffs, bleed, and stun from ax tree, u could easily out damage a 2h and still hav better defense. Also, dual axes deal damage fast then 2h so warlock would be ideal, and the dual ax passive which protects against statuses is almost like a weaker version of holy word.

off topic: Really like the idea raphael.

Nice Topic btw.

Cleric has to be the best subclass for a warrior simple as that. I guess others can argue, but i am sticking with cleric for healing.

I do not believe that bard is useful for this build. Sure you get more speed, but thats it. Noise is useless for warrior because as a warrior, our job is basically a human shield. Why use noise? it makes monsters run, and that is not what we are about.

Rogue, Warlock or Bard are the best subclasses for Warriors. Warriors have the best ability as a single build without a secondary so something that aids something other than defense is key.

Rogue - A killer Solo secondary. Good for FW, Large Scale PvP and Uniques where your buffs are unneeded/your party needs more damage.

Warlock - Good 1v1 build. Aids your damage and somewhat aids your defense. It is very versatile and is the best 1v1 build as far as Warriors go.

Bard - Good overall compliment to a Warrior. Can aid damage of skills that have Status multipliers when you use Bind. Noise also helps you if you solo grind too. Speed Boost lets you save the money that otherwise would have went to Speed Drugs.

Let me elucidate what I, IMHO, think is what is mostly happening when you get online.
Mostly, you are either vending or grinding.
on Grinding, what do you want to do?
You kill monsters. You want to kill them fast. You want to die less often. And you are a slowpoke warrior.

I vote Rogue, because it is very simple. You selected Warrior for PVP,and as a tanker. Warriors can stand alone, provided you are adept with your skills. but they are soooooo slow, and have to run and run. At level 48 0 gaps 1 hand Warrior, I defeated a lvl 66 nuker.(Thanks to a 90%BR shield). I have used Warrior Party buffs for PLVL people.

With a crossbow, you grind faster. you don't have to run and run. But, if a particular monster is too high or damaging, you suddenly switch back to Warrior, either of the three... click a potion to fill your HP up, then start the bashing.

I have been doing bard, wizard, warlock, and cleric, and removed them all, except for bard lvl 10 for March. I have settled on Rogue Xbow for faster questing. It is hard to level up a pure Warrior.It is harder to use it to finish quests.

I may level down my rogue skills later and select either Wizard or Cleric, but that is, if there are no more quests unfinished on silkroad.

Really, it depends on a few factors: If you're going to be going at it solo, or if you're going to be playing alongside a party of eight, if you're going to be strickly pvping or are you gonna be purely for pve? Determining a sub-class based off your decision from those factors is what you should chose as your subclass.

Why Sub-Cleric is the Best for Warrior

Why you may ask?
a 2hander can kill everyone without statuses needed.

Bless Spell = 45 seconds (+915 phys defense, +1,454 magical defense)
-then-
Iron Skin/Mana Skin = 45 seconds (+859 phys defense, +1,374 magical defense)

30 seconds left to tank til bless is once again ready.

How do you do this?
Switch to cleric rod and shield. Assuming you are wearing Light Armor (which you should be for the awesome passives)
Instantly, you have..
Physical Defense +97 from cleric passive
Physical Defense +102 from a +5 shield equipped (reinforce 18%)
Magical Defense +146 from cleric passive
Magical Defense +164 from a +5 shield equipped (reinforce 24%)
Then..
self buff for =
Physical Defense +146 from Self Buff (Body Blessing)
Magical Defense +206 from Self Buff(Soul Blessing)

Finally, in what takes about 3 seconds, you have a
Physical Defense Increase of 345
Magical Defense Increase of 516

If you can't tank 30 seconds with
1. that amount of defense
2. Recovery Dision
2. Healing Cycle (1,708 HP healed per second + 108% reflect from your cleric rod)
3. and/or Healing Orbit (1,819 HP per second) and group recovery (4,581 HP instantly healed)
4. and finally shield bash/crush that knocks back 80% of the time and can cause dull

then I don't know what's wrong with you and you probably shouldn't be playing SRO.
Pro Tip : Use bless spell first, then the skins. This is so you start off with bless and when you need the skins, u just instantly cast them without needing to weapon switch. Once the skins are gone, switch to cleric rod and self-buff and heal for ~ 27 seconds, then Heavens Glare if necessary (binds people into place), bless, and get your 2hand ready to attack after warcry.

[you could do it the old fashioned way, and cast 16 second heals, switch to 1handed sword/shield and shield crush + sprint assault for 30 seconds with Vital increase on (+7,648 max HP increase), that would please your enemy. If you do i the way i told you, they'll probably see themselves doing 3k damage and u just healing yourself every now and then would cause them to think the pvp is over and that you're just toying around with them.]

/explanation.
Begin flames lol.
Oh and for non-pvp, I genuinely prefer INT Warlock/Cleric over any subcleric, subwarlock warriors.
=)

Bard Subclass, speed buff is ftw.

man.. u r FANTASTIC..
i havent read anything so organised in some long time..
oh, and btw.. i hope nobody comes up again and say: hey, i discoved the gr8est SRO secret of all time.. warriors tank better than bladers, but only for a short time..

Very Nicely Said!

But I usually grind alone. I rarely get to have a party of 8, since I quest on monsters higher than my level. party 8 people don't want me in because either they are doing PLVL, or I happen to be the lowest level. I grind for my quests, and am usually in a party 4.

I'm currently doing power earth ghost. that is 9 levels higher than me. I can grind as warrior, but --- killing is too slow. I usually go Xbow extreme, to hasten the killing, and then switch to warrior when there are a lot around. I bash 'em away, then pick out the nearest with the most damage already. With Xbow extreme, I even get to 1HIT a lvl 63 monster.

For PVP, and others - Well.... You got me convinced. I guess I'll follow your advice when I finish the quests. after all there are less than 50 to finish (80 if 9d opens).

Of course... If fun in SRO for you means PVP, PVE, TRADE, FW, etc. well, have fun. I'm sticking to Quests.

IMO warlock; warlock never gets boring imo, and its also fun just annoying people with sleep <3

I party a lot, so i level pretty fast as a tank. All i need for the party is the warrior class so i don't need a sub for PVE. For PVP, i found it was very hard killing people with either a bard/cleric sub. Warlock, on the other hand, just made me have a lot of fun owning people :].

warlocks ARE the best 1v1 pvp subclass.. like bard is the best pve subclass.
point is.. cleric is the overall best, being gr8 in both 1v1, and pve (especially for warriors actually)

warlocks aren't best in 1v1 beacus if a warrior/cleric fights vs a warrior/warlock with same gear warlock cleric wins beacus of holy spel and u got over healing and glut heal and bind u wil pwn that warrior/Warlock

not true (although i wish it would be )
warlocks can simply keep u asleep while ur skin time just goes away, and when ur finally awake u get stunned, blood trapped, "panic"ed, dare deviled, critted, and eventually killed while ur unable to do a damn thing

Sleep don't work on Holy word

Just lvl 76 warlock have 2 stun

So with 2 stun + Shield Trush , You can take the time from him

after 45 sec. stun him fast and attack Him Before he put the bless and if put it use the same way to take 45 sec from him

but cleric have bind too

Well i think if they v.s each other depents on the players

The guy who voted wizard is either joking or making a silly decision

u know it could be fun though
maybe even effective.. mana drough on any opponent is a big pain in the arse. think of it as a tactical warrior
also a daredevil after invisibility WILL be cool, and earth fence wont be too bad either

hi ... i enjoy tanking in thief party with 1hnd/cleric so much! haha...1hnd warrior /cleric can heal can tank...its a turning point in thief party! u can ress all your party members then faster regroup ...n kill again!
now in d9 i wan to open up my 2hnd skills , please tell me wat 2hnd skills i can skip level it up...and how is the combo do i need for 2hnd that works most effective@_@

so that i don need to farm so much SP...

IMO cleric, warlock and rague are best fits for a warrior. (I really don't understand what people find in bard. BARD=cleric of wizards.)

CLERIC: Easy to play. Good for both PvE and PvP.
WARLOCK: Hard to play. Good mainly for PvP.
RAGUE: Moderate to play. Good for both PvP and PvE.

PvE (IMO): Rague(10pt)>Cleric(9pt)>Bard(8pt)>Warlock(6pt)
PvP (IMO): Well, it depends, but this is the overall order:
Warlock(10pt)>Rague(9pt)>Cleric(7pt)>Bard(4pt)

Wow, I officially said Rague is the best subclass, although I am warrior/warlock myself Lets fix this. Warlock is the most fun

Warlock, you can annoy the hell outta people with sleep and stun!

+10000000 yes yes . great job at explaining why cleric is the best sub imo. with the skins, bless, and just tanking the 30 secs...you should pretty much NEVER die

For rogue, do u use xbow or dagger?

Are you talking about a rogue subclass for warrior?

-If yes, then having both imo would be the best choice. If you dont want to take both from the beginning then I would say go with xbow and later farm for dagger.

-If not, then your post is completely offtopic.

Pills takes time to act, holy word/spell would make it better for you (pvp/job wise).
buy typhoon if you need speed, or have a friend to cast MM on you (grinding/taxi).
damage if you need to? then why pick warrior when you can go for rouge?
Warlock wouldn't be so bad of a choice either, awesome when put with dual axe.

All in all, Cleric ftw.
buy typhoons if you need speed, easily solved like that.
as i said, pills take time to work. so take advantage of holy word/spell, since the warriors worst nightmare would be dealing with status effects >.<

Bard:handy if u wanne solo grind.
Warlock:Handy if u pvp in a 1on1 with out Holy spell but it stil can be handy thx to stun but it depends a bit on what wep u use.
Rogue:if u take rogue it is more for fun it dont upgrade anyting of ur warrior skills but this can be handy to kill unique or for solo grind but when ur 90 i would lvl it down
Cleric:is handy in 1on1 and in fw etc. beacus u wil have like 1/2 uber buffs thx to bles and skins and u wil be immune to cold and debuffs beacus of holy spel.If u have prety good gear u use cleric with a nice shield and heal urself u almost cant die in a 1on1 beacus of heal Charity glory armor and favor armor u wil need light armor for it then.u can switch to cleric for heal orbit evry 16secs either for sweet heal do this when u dont got skins or bles.U got recorvy divison either so u wil die litle bit slower i am lvl 80 2h warrior/cleric myself
Wizard: if u even thought to get this as sub clas can only be handy for teleport but i would NEVER get this sub build.
I would take Warrior/Cleric wait i did it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spl4SZ6NAlc&feature=user
How to use warrior/rogue