Racism and Prejudice

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

I try to be courteous to ppl I dont know but that isnt really respect. I respect ppl I know and like or who have accomplished things I feel are great. I dont have to respect a culture, a race or a religion I dont agree with or like.

I can be courteous and indifferently tolerant but respect takes it further than i am willing to go. I do not care what name someone calls their god as long as they do not try to tell me what to call mine. Religion is personal and should be kept as such. I would never use it as a point of contention unless someone else did it first.

But that isnt because of respect, that is indifference. I do not feel strongly about religion and find it to be regionally based like nationalism or race.

The original point was that someone said, "I hate Turks". So what. He hates Turks. Whoopty effing do. There is no imperative in life to like anyone. His statement is ignorant, but it doesnt mean much.

dizzie38 · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 127 **Location:** london

he didnt say "i hate turks" he said fkk all turks and pm "Allah_Is_Gay" thats insulting turks and a whole bunch of people

ramy · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 167 **Location:**

hows monthly sacrifices hinder other people's rights? It's for them to sacrifice and others to just chill n watch i guess, or just care less

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

dizzie38 wrote:

he didnt say "i hate turks" he said fkk all turks and pm "Allah_Is_Gay" thats insulting turks and a whole bunch of people

In America, we teach little kids this rhyme.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones
but words will never hurt me."

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

ramy wrote:

hows monthly sacrifices hinder other people's rights? It's for them to sacrifice and others to just chill n watch i guess, or just care less

Of course it doesn't hinder the observer's rights (to a point). But what about the person being sacrificed? The one who's being deprived of everything, of life?

Thisisaname · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 48 **Location:**

Prophet Izaach wrote:

Thisisaname wrote:

Religious belief is not something to be corrected, faith belongs to each individual. What I mean is you have no right to correct other people beliefs because you don't share them. That's not relativism, I don't believe every opinion is right, there is only one truth. But, if other don't take what I think as THE truth, I respect what they think, even though I don't believe it.

Even if these religious beliefs hinder upon people's rights? If a religious belief requires monthly human sacrifices, would you still take a passive stance?

Hey, it's their own faith! Why should I even bother?

The problem: religious beliefs can take numerous forms.

Religious beliefs should be inside a legal system. In that case, if you have people doing human sacrifices to please their God, and it's forbidden, you can act according to that.

I agree that, religious practice should have a limit if they collide with people's rights. But, what people believe, is their own business.

nightbloom wrote:

I try to be courteous to ppl I dont know but that isnt really respect. I respect ppl I know and like or who have accomplished things I feel are great. I dont have to respect a culture, a race or a religion I dont agree with or like.

I can be courteous and indifferently tolerant but respect takes it further than i am willing to go. I do not care what name someone calls their god as long as they do not try to tell me what to call mine. Religion is personal and should be kept as such. I would never use it as a point of contention unless someone else did it first.

But that isnt because of respect, that is indifference. I do not feel strongly about religion and find it to be regionally based like nationalism or race.

The original point was that someone said, "I hate Turks". So what. He hates Turks. Whoopty effing do. There is no imperative in life to like anyone. His statement is ignorant, but it doesnt mean much.

The respect I asked for, was tolerance, yeah. Trying to turn someone into your religion is another example of what I said, that's lack of tolerance, IMO. But to tolerate, you have to courteous, not share that belief doesn't mean you have to insult it, etc.

ramy · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 167 **Location:**

nightbloom wrote:

dizzie38 wrote:

he didnt say "i hate turks" he said fkk all turks and pm "Allah_Is_Gay" thats insulting turks and a whole bunch of people

In America, we teach little kids this rhyme.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones
but words will never hurt me."

you still wont appreciate having your own beliefs insulted by random individuals, no matter how ignorant they are

Prophet Izaach wrote:

Of course it doesn't hinder the observer's rights (to a point). But what about the person being sacrificed? The one who's being deprived of everything, of life?

only people going to extremes deprive themselves of everything, willingly though so it doesnt really bother them, i guess

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

Thisisaname wrote:

Religious beliefs should be inside a legal system. In that case, if you have people doing human sacrifices to please their God, and it's forbidden, you can act according to that.

I agree that, religious practice should have a limit if they collide with people's rights. But, what people believe, is their own business.

Ahhh. A limit. Hmmm... I don't want to take it further, so I think we should just stop here. >.<"

Thisisaname · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 48 **Location:**

Prophet Izaach wrote:

Thisisaname wrote:

Religious beliefs should be inside a legal system. In that case, if you have people doing human sacrifices to please their God, and it's forbidden, you can act according to that.

I agree that, religious practice should have a limit if they collide with people's rights. But, what people believe, is their own business.

Ahhh. A limit. Hmmm... I don't want to take it further, so I think we should just stop here. >.<"

Agreed. *shakes hands*

RogueKiller · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1893 **Location:**

Thisisaname wrote:

Religious beliefs should be inside a legal system. In that case, if you have people doing human sacrifices to please their God, and it's forbidden, you can act according to that.

I agree that, religious practice should have a limit if they collide with people's rights. But, what people believe, is their own business.

Seperation of Church and State?
People will not stand aside to have their religion limited by the law.

Thisisaname · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 48 **Location:**

RogueKiller wrote:

Thisisaname wrote:

Religious beliefs should be inside a legal system. In that case, if you have people doing human sacrifices to please their God, and it's forbidden, you can act according to that.

I agree that, religious practice should have a limit if they collide with people's rights. But, what people believe, is their own business.

Seperation of Church and State?
People will not stand aside to have their religion limited by the law.

I do. And if people didn't, world would be more chaotic than what it is. Of course that, laws are closely related with religious commandments in most countries. In ancient times, where law wasn't as organized as it is now, people's behavior was ruled by their beliefs.

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

Turks find it incredibly insulting because their right to criticize their on country or religion is hampered by law.

Turks and others need to be EQUALLY tolerant of the fact that in America, our right to free speech and opinion is a basic one and we exercise it freely. A large part of OUR culture is based upon this tenet. News, TV, radio; all are a smorgasborg of opinion and critisms about our own culture and government. Even completely racist and anti American groups are allowed to exist because we protect the ability to say, "Eff you, I hate you, you suk."

Tolerance is not a one way street.

jarrod · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 708 **Location:**

quickstream wrote:

dont know if you noticed but 90% of the turkish population does this to them self by the way they act, over 50% of the germans do exactly the same, the viets way back caused soo much fuss, the americans bait things on, the british bully with sarcasm, french keep to them selfs and so on

People act like jerks in this game i know but the jerks are what gives the majority a bad name

No matter what someone says its their oppinion

+1.....

nohunta · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:07 am

iGod wrote:

Allah doesn't exist, gay is not an insult. :roll:

Only ignorant people can take something like that to heart

jabbers · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:16 am

Fiction · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:17 am

Well I think I speak for everyone when I say this is a shocker to us all. To think all this time I thought Silkroad was full of delightful; happy; go lucky ppl, and to see this... Well I must say I'm outraged! I think someone should really do something about the racism and prejudice. Hmm, I think I might make another thread just to voice my concern for this issue.

jabbers · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:20 am

march to jangan for peace and equality

Apples · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 108 **Location:**

Oo the fack?? what is racism??

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

Fiction wrote:

Well I think I speak for everyone when I say this is a shocker to us all. To think all this time I thought Silkroad was full of delightful; happy; go lucky ppl, and to see this... Well I must say I'm outraged! I think someone should really do something about the racism and prejudice. Hmm, I think I might make another thread just to voice my concern for this issue.

OMG I thought we were talking about whether or not its OK to wear white before Labor Day! Im so in the wrong thread......

Fiction · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:58 am

nightbloom wrote:

OMG I thought we were talking about whether or not its OK to wear white before Labor Day! Im so in the wrong thread......

Hmm You are on to something here. I feel another thread coming on. Whoohoowa

Quintus · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 299 **Location:**

Most Turks are giving people a reason to hate them. Hating Turks in this game isn't really racism in my eyes.

antics · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:56 am

if the turks keep on acting like they do nowthey will be hated till the end of this game

Casey613 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:02 am

Next thing you know Turkey is banning SRO as well as Youtube, lmfao let me dream :banghead:

Rush4Life · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 408 **Location:**

Turks screwed it up for themselfs, they are the main problem (next to goldbots) in this game. The majority of players in SRO just hate Turks because

-they keep scamming (scamming=stealing, in some muslim countries they chop off your hand for stealing),
-they insult you and your family (if you dare to insult them, you get like 20 turks up your ass saying: fck you mather, you fak sister, etc. etc.),
-they KS you (never had a problem with that because I am stronger, and I know the game better than they do, also my reaction time ingame is far better than their reaction time),
-they refuse to speak English (don't come up with those damn excuses, there are online translators),
-they think everybody speaks Turkish (türküsüm? and some random letters and words behind it),
-they are waaaaay too nationalistic (guilds and players with TR_<name>_TR, and to make it worse, -their guildlogo is 99% of the time a turkish flag)
-they beg too much (the infamous '10k plýssssss men', 'no', 'fack you mather')
-they keep killing lowbies in PvP, over and over again
-they always pretend that they are shouting by adding too much letters to a word (resssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss plsssssssssss mennnnnssss, taxsiiiiiiiiiiii 100kkkkkkkk, etc.. etc..)
and many more stupid shit why they are the scapegoats of SRO, and nobody likes them!

I guess you get the point now

DaZzY · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 1357

[SW]XMoshe wrote:

You got some nice words too >.>

Yeah thats why i noticed aswell

AXII · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 280 **Location:**

Rush4Life wrote:

Turks screwed it up for themselfs, they are the main problem (next to goldbots) in this game. The majority of players in SRO just hate Turks because

-they keep scamming (scamming=stealing, in some muslim countries they chop off your hand for stealing),
-they insult you and your family (if you dare to insult them, you get like 20 turks up your ass saying: fck you mather, you fak sister, etc. etc.),
-they KS you (never had a problem with that because I am stronger, and I know the game better than they do, also my reaction time ingame is far better than their reaction time),
-they refuse to speak English (don't come up with those damn excuses, there are online translators),
-they think everybody speaks Turkish (türküsüm? and some random letters and words behind it),
-they are waaaaay too nationalistic (guilds and players with TR_<name>_TR, and to make it worse, -their guildlogo is 99% of the time a turkish flag)
-they beg too much (the infamous '10k plýssssss men', 'no', 'fack you mather')
-they keep killing lowbies in PvP, over and over again
-they always pretend that they are shouting by adding too much letters to a word (resssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss plsssssssssss mennnnnssss, taxsiiiiiiiiiiii 100kkkkkkkk, etc.. etc..)
and many more stupid shit why they are the scapegoats of SRO, and nobody likes them!

I guess you get the po
int now

I agree everything except nationalistic thing tell me why u stucked at this and what is it to u?Actually i dont have any TR logo or names on my chars also my friends too but ppl do what they want to do about this subject.Loving own country is not a bad thing rite m8?Also SRO has free entrance so do not expect more quality about players cuz i know there is no such a Turkish issue on WOW for example. :banghead:

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

jabbers · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:29 pm

dmmm freaking yellow mangyangs walking on my grass steal in my gold i oughta

mmhm3 · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 189 **Location:**

thats not racist thats discrimination or something. I would pk that bitch who sayed that.*mumbles*..messed up..bitch..Simpsons..Family guy..lol made u waste all that time reading bull.

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

dizzie38 wrote:

so what. this is our beliefs and they shouldnt be insulted

And if so, allah is a god isnt he right ? i'm sure he can manage with "hearing" curses from humans, i dont understand why people are insulted in the name of their god(EDIT: let alone KILLING in the name of their god

), he is a GOD, not a human been like u, he doesnt get insulted, so you shouldnt get insulted instead of him -.-
btw in islamic countries cursing allah is a death sentece >.>

/end of my philosophical-religous rant

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