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No 1* popping means making gold with absolutely no brain involved. Honestly, a brain-dead zombie could make a good gold farmer if all he did was do 1*s all day.

No, cuchulainn, actually if you comprehend what I was saying correctly, I said that some thiefs are doing it the correct way and aren't lazy. And gaining things at the expense of others is fine if those people realize that it should be happening (i.e. legitimate).

Also, say the developers didnt yet come out and say botting was illegal or the wrong thing to do, does that mean it should be done? Probably not right? Your taking advantage of what hasn't been corrected yet, and you, everyone like you, and everyone who is against you knows that.

So, since botting gets you ahead quicker and faster, easier and "more efficient" do you condone that to? No matter what it might do to affect lag, other players, so on...?

Don't sit and try to tell me it isn't an easy comparison. You'll be blowin' hot air.

You see, fightin with people like you over this is a losing battle. Some people are just to arrogant, concieted, and ignorant to open their minds and realize what other people think about what your doing and how it affects them.

Joymax is banning people for botting though. They are NOT banning people for 1* popping.

yet, the key word is yet.

I just made a moral comparison, just because something hasen't been taken care of yet doesn't mean its o.k. (much less morally right) to go ahead and continue to do. Botting Im sure wasn't always illegal, and people didnt get banned for it in the begining, it took time for Joymax to realize their mistake (which is being dealt with yes, but not corrected) and time is all its gonna take to realize their mistake on this just as they did on the international servers. So consider these people the beta-cheaters. Their exploitation has yet to be dealt with, but by no means does that make it o.k. to do.

They said themselves that being a 1* will not prevent you from being attacked.

This is because the person who wrote this had to do something about the thousands of claims they were gettin - call it a "hold them over till we have time to deal with it" message. Of course they cant come out and say its wrong or not what they intended, this is because its not yet on their angenda of things to deal with. And if they did come out and say it, they know they'd have to.

Of course they wouldn't say it, the developers want to appear infallible. They are always right, even when they're wrong. Remember the infamous ???? error? Well that's your fault. It's your fault you have a low-end graphics card, even if it's top of the line. It your fault you haven't updated your drivers, even if they're the newest ones. Just like it wasn't a development oversight for theives to spawn NPC's to pop 1*'s, even though 1*'s aren't able to be attacked directly by player thieves.


C'mon, you don't seriously think they intended player thieves to be able to pop, did you? I'm nearly 100% sure that Joymax made 1*'s supposedly immune to player thieves so that low levels could get a try at trading and make some money when they're still noobs. No way a noob would trade if there wasn't any protection. Then the noob gets popped and wonders "wtf?!", leaving a bad taste of trading and posibbly even leaving a bad taste of the game itself in their mouth.

Got any proof of that?

proof isn't needed, call it a gut feelin, or an educated guess. We'll see whos right and how it all works out in the future. I promise I won't say I told you so.

Oh, I can't exactly say that for me. Just kidding. Or am I?

I just have to say, you come off as beinng completely full of yourself.

But I guess I have to concede. Obviously you can't be wrong because you thought of every possible circumstance and possibility. Why don't you write the Daily Q & A since you obviously know what they meant.

Thx for the concede,..good game. lol

My god, you think Im full of myself but yet you havent taken a look in the mirror lately right. BTW, I love your salesman like approach of putting words in peoples' mouthes. I didn't say I could see into the future and be 100% correct,..I just know that with heated topics such as this, (I've played countless MMORPGs) that the developers will eventually lend an ear to the victims of such foolishness. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this,.. or does it?

really?



The "victims" are complaining because they believe, like you, that 1* popping is an unintended exploit. However, would people be bitching so much if Joymax had said from the beginning that being able to 1* pop was not an oversight, but actually one of the ways to play the game?

PS - I was being sarcastic, but then again, I didn't expect you to understand that since you don't seem to try and comprehend the other side of the argument before you ignorantly spout of evidence favoring your side. I don't ask that you condone or stop complaining about 1* popping. I also am not saying your arguments are not valid, I simply ask that you recognize the equal validity of the arguments of theopposite side of the controversy.

I acknowledge that their is an opposite side,..theres always two sides to every story. But,..someone always also has to win or lose. I acknowledge that there are feelings you have on this - as well as I do but, that doesn't mean I have to sympathize with the side bound to lose. Nor do I have to say you have a good point when I haven't read any thus far. At least from you,..

Until I, (or any other gamer out there not playin to piss people off,... just because they can), see any good reason why this nonsense should continue and victims continue to be created, your side will be heard but not felt. I have absolutely no sympathy - nor will I ever, for people who do this type of shit. It just isn't gonna work on me man.

Its just BAD MANNERS man, - you f'n know it is. You see how pissed people get,..you guys have probably heard curses we can't even begin to imagine - and none of it, none of it? sinks in? You ignore it, and move onto the next, like the person you just popped earlier had no voice at all.

This is exactly what I mean when I say to stick to console video games and not online communities. Because no one there has to sit and get pissed off, spew hateful shit, and take up revenge on you for what you did to them in the past. There your name doesn't turn to shit because everything is an NPC.

I know I cannot stop what you do,..but when I see the type of garbage - my voice will be heard.

I will play the game the way I want. If anyone has a problem with they way I play it, it is your right to try and stop me. This is interaction. That is what happens in an online game, people interact. No one ever said everyone had to be nice to one another. I refuse to play by someone else's standards because then I would not be able to do as I please.

I don't violate any rules Joymax has set forth. I do not bot, I do not excessively spew hatred on others. I do not violate a single part of the Terms of Service. The community is what makes the game. There are few rules and most of them are pretty obvious (eg no using fraudulent means to get ahead of others). If everyone followed a single person's rules (be it yours or mine or Ryoko or some other random person who plays the game) things would get pretty boring, pretty fast because nothing would be happening since everyone has the same standards of right and wrong and there would be no one doing the wrong thing because they think it's wrong to do.

I grinded my ass off to get to where I am levelwise and i'm going to do whatever I want with that level without violating Joymax's TOS.

It doesn't make me angry that you hate 1* popping and I don't. It makes me angry that you don't even admit there is even a little validity in the reasons people put forth when they advocate 1* popping (efficient, fast, etc). If you read back through the entirety of this thread, I'm sure you can find at least one point made my poppers that you can empathize with (scarcity of multistars for example is the bane of any thief). Fact is the problem is not that there isn't see any shred of validity, it's that you refuse to consider it. Believe it or not, it's possible to admit the legitimacy of another person's argument even when you vehemently disagree with it.

At this point, I'm not even arguing about the pros and cons of 1* popping anymore. Those has already been repeated and debated over and over again in this thread and elsewhere. I'm simply asking you to think from a different perspective and recognize where the other side is coming from.

Look - I'll put it out there real simply this time - I'll admit to some validity to your side of the story when there isn't a victim invovled. People who get robbed as 2 star and above are not victims,- they are part of the "triangular conflict". One star traders who get popped when they are not supposed to however, are victims.

When and if the victims are happy and ok with what you do to them, I might consider your statements as valid arguments. But when you openly admit to, advocate, and condone victimising people - those arguments are going to fall upon deaf ears.

You're an ignorant idiot. If you can't even contemplate the opposite of the argument, you don't deserve to make a counterargument.

Frustrated are we? Good, have a bit of your own medicine marinate in your mouth.

Umm, maybe you should eat your own damn words. I empathize with people who get popped. They are low level and have little gold and they lose some. that sucks. They lose 2% of exp, that sucks too. Their whole trade was just ruined by a higher level person. They become frustrated with the game and some even quit.

But I also can empathize with the other side. There are very few multistars and when you do find one, it's not always worth it to use lots of pots for just 2* of loot. Popping is also efficient since you always port with a full load of loot.

Honestly, I don't really have strong feelings for either side and I only lean a bit towards to poppers. I also tend to play devil's advocate in some arguments I participate in because I find it more challenging to argue for the unpopular side. Regardless of which side I support though, I do my best to stay levelheaded and consider both sides of the debate and acknowledge the validity of my opponents argument, while at the same time refuting them with my own arguments. That doesn't mean I tell them they're right, but I don't stubbornly insist they are wrong either. Few things are black and white in this world, so you have to learn to deal with the gray. Yin and Yang (cliche, isn't it, lol) can't have one side without the other. The one trait that frustrates me most in people is closed-minded ignorance. You learn nothing and accomplish nothing when youo refuse to even examine the views of others with an open mind.

open mind? scroll up and re-read a post I wrote,.. it said thats exactly what you dont have. Your startin to sound like me lol. Your the one refusing to stop popping (no matter how many of these angry threads get written, deleted ect..) (or how many people quit, lash out, curse the shit out of you) dude, it boils down to how you affect others, and the impression you leave behind.

Your the one with the closed mind,.. not me. Im here to protect the best interests of the innocent, - from people who are out to take advantage of them, victimize them, what have you,... Refusing to see your side of the argument is my right, and what your doing is morally wrong, pisses hundreds of players off, and is again - down right RUDE. Therefore I believe I am completely justified in not seeing things your way.

But screw it yah know man, - I'm going back to grindin',... like I said, its a losing battle trying to get through to you. Its like talkin to a brick wall.

Peace Dude....

Do you even have a brain? I've said multiple times that I have 1* popped in the past. I've also said that it's been ages since I did it. My argument is simply asking you to recgonize why someone would resort to 1* popping. I'm not telling you I'll never stop doing it (which I may have since I don't foresee doing it anytime soon). There is a difference between admitting someone has a legitimate argument and agreeing with that argument. Refusing to see the other side of the argument is just ignorance and to be honest, it weakens your argument. This applies not only to the discussion at hand but to any argument you might have in the future.

Once again: You don't have to like the argument, only consider how it might have a grain of truth to it.

Srry I believe I made myself quite clear. Your going down in flames man. Drownin. Cant help yah.

Wow, now you're resorting to childish remarks to avoid looking at the other side.

Until you consider the other side of the debate, your argument is incomplete. Gimme a call when you decide to think and analyze my arguments critically. Until then, keep on being closed minded and in essence, an idiot.

A small parable;

A drug dealer is on the corner sellin some drugs to kids, doesnt care who he hurts or affects,..just continues to do so.

Should the police listen to a drug dealer when he/she gives them some BS story about why they thought it was right to sell drugs to kids? If the police dont listen to the criminals' argument - does that make the police closed minded? Again, to the people with common sense, no.

And before you flame me again and put words in my mouth, Im not saying poppers do compare to drug dealers, again its just a small comparison of morallity, what is right, and my explanation to you for the fourth time on why I dont see things your way.

I dont know how many different ways something can be explained but Im kinda sick of not only repeatin myself, but also rearranging the same shit over and over in hopes that it might get through your thick skull.

you see,..you dont always have to acknowledge the other side if its complete and utter rubbish (usually shit that just tries to win them back their integrity).

and wow you sure are gettin frustrated, flammin me and shit,..but hey whatever...your not ever going to get it through to me that victimizing people has justifiable validity.

Edited for Bakemaster's convenience.

As a person who argued against 1-star popping for quite a while before the Q&A, and as someone who realized the futility of continuing the "spirit of the law" argument after the Q&A, I have two things to say.

1. Regardless of what you imagine to be Joymax's secret motives for posting the Q&A, and whether or not it is a cover-your-ass copout move, it very clearly indicates that 1-star popping is not considered illegitimate or an exploit by the people who call the shots.

2. PigDestroyer, you are a huuuuuuuuge douchebag. You bring up a few valid points and then toss them aside in favor of ad hominem, mixed metaphors and smug moralism. The fact that you have goaded cuchulainn into losing his cool doesn't change the fact that you have been owned.

well I see that cuchulainn has made a new butt buddy. Someone else who needs to comprehend what they read before posting.

And btw who exactly "owned me" and how? Lol, cant seperate PvP from forum discussions.

BTW the only HUUUUUGE Douchebag I see, is the one in that signature holding a f'n buntcake

You owned yourself when you tried to use big words to look impressive, and came up with "parabola" when you wanted "parable". But that's beside the point. I won't be goaded - you know what they say, never teach a pig to sing.

srry my mistake, by reading some of the other posts I remembered that spelling and grammar are nit-picked on a regular basis. Next time I'll use a dictionary for your convenience. God such anal people.

To put it this way, Mr. Belvedere with a buntcake, I could give a shit about a misspelled word,...you seem to know exactly what I meant. So nit-pick the mothballs off your Hugh Hefner robe, maybe you'll get some action from your dog.

Edited for Bakemaster's convenience.

Grammar.

Posts were edited for your convenience. pls let me know in the future if any thing else bugs you - you anal geek.