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People who hate peeps who 1* pop annoy me. If you don't like what I do, take action, or shut up. You won't persuade people with words.

Sigh. I tried my best to see what peoples justification for this action was, and sadly, i got nothing like a decent answer. If people are just going to start backing people with blind loyalty, then i see that i am going to get nowhere. Statements like

'People who hate peeps who 1* pop annoy me. If you don't like what I do, take action, or shut up. You won't persuade people with words.'

only illustrates to me further the caveman mentality that i am dealing with. If you get your kicks from picking on noobs in a game, except not even directly, then go you i suppose.

'Therefore it's okay to insult him and make things up?'

I insulted him after he previously claimed that he popped to make money, and because of a lack of 2* trades, and then later described how enjoyed watching people try to get away etc. Maybe it was wrong of me to, but i was annoyed. Not that anyone will care in the slightest, but this will probably be my last post here, as attitudes like some of the people in this thread have are driving me away from this forum, and in truth, the game. If its not poppers, its botters, CCF, scammers and the rest, and its doing my head in. I suppose when a game is open to play, people will exploit it to their advantage, and blindly attempt to justify it so they can continue to reap the benefits at the expense of others.

gg

I'm a thief. I steal stuff. I do not need to justify my reasons for thieving.

I do not get my kicks from picking on low levels. I get my kicks from a full Fire Ox, fighting off NPCs and going through the rush of thieving.

Here is where most poppers would say, "o.k. see yah later then, good luck with whatever you do". It doesn't register with these people what it does to others, they could give a shit and truly are punks...

But screw them man,.. dont give up the game because of some punks' entertainment. Then they win,..sure maybe you can only go lvl up to try and deal with it,..but no matter what,..in the end,...people like this always get what they have coming to them. The update will come, and we will win,...sooner rather than later I hope,..and it might be slowly,...but it'll be surely...they all know it.

Hang in there man,... I know I'm clenching my teeth at these selfish dickheads also, but,... justice will be served and we'll have our revenge.

Call us the noobie boomers - eventually all the little helpless traders will all grow up. And not only will we be able to handle these punks on our own, - but we'll out-number them 20 to 1, and all will have a vendetta boiling in their blood. And when a theif can't so much as step 3 feet outside of a gate before they get viciously slaughtered, they'll then realize, "maybe I shouldn't have been such a punk". Just think, an army against a small band of cohorts. Vengeance will be unleashed.

All of the above. But you miss the point: I don't need to justify it.

Do you know why your mad?

I think you are mad because pages ago, I posted two things.

Factual:
-I am a popper.
-I am not stopping.

Then people inject 10 pages of arguments. Every day, I get called a cheater, and exploiter, a coward and more. Theres 10 books of text here that I only skim through, I don't even have the time to read all the arguing and insults against me. Its all over the forum and in people sigs. I think I read one post that said "pissing you off is all we can do". Half the arguments are made up, speculation, opinions, or interperatation. Also I heard Im surrounded and scales are tipping, yada yada.

Today, this is where we are.

Factual:
-I am a popper.
-I am not stopping.
-I am pissed off.

And I think thats what makes you mad. But you wouldnt be mad if you took me seriously. If you had just accepted who and what I am from day 1, we wouldnt be here arguing, and you wouldn't be mad.



Factual:

1. This thread
2. This thread
3. People in game

What did you THINK was going to happen? Hmmm? Trash me every day so Im a happy carebear person?

Heck no.

alls i have to say is, once i am lvled appropriately, not a single thief i see with a caravan animal is going to survive xD

i don't think anyone is naive or foolish about joymax's statement...i just can't see why or how they could have come up with any justification or whatever because there is no reason for them doing so. therefore, i have to believe that they made a mistake and were not being stupid.

poppers:
i understand why someone may very occasionally 1*pop but someone who advocates 1*popping as an everyday normal and legitmate play has got to be on some crack. there are thrills, laughs, and easy money but it is severely outweighed by the cost to the victim.

suggestion: where's the suggestion thread?
mmo's need to have more interations and much less grinding. one way is helping other players and the other way is competition. help is often usually restricted to just guild members and friends which is limited. competition can be more widespread. that's where the triangular conflict comes in but it just isn't good enough. the profits for multi stars are severely outweighed by the risks. first, multi stars don't even net that much gold. when an unlimited amount of thieves can attack traders for lots of profit and little risk, thieves have the advantage, hence the 1*popping collections. traders can't even attack back (unless they have empty cargo? or risk murder) and can't retrieve stolen goods so they are defenseless. the role of hunters doesn't have many advantages because the profits are already too low (150k for 5 stars(?) divided by two = 75k each in 35 minutes ~ 2k/min ~ same as grinding).

thieves are SUPPOSED to be at a larger disadvantaged with many risks but potential for great rewards (think bank robbers, etc; not muggers=1*pop).

i think trading should profit much more money 2*-5* to double to 5 times at least so 1* can be ignored. that gives more incentives to 2*-5* trade or protect or thief.

-a night / day cycle might be good for thiefs to come out at night, black draps for traders, but with even MORE incentives for traders is 6*-10*. a reason could be that the city works 24/7 and nights are in demand of materials because few are trading.

-a game of berserker tag where a few people (every 5 lvls) will always have berserk and silver/gold ticket for as long as they are alive until they are killed (not murdered) afterwhich the killer will get it, and so on and so forth. it has its risk but very FUN rewards.

-berserker drugs (must be costly - 100k a pop at least) for emergencies.

-stallable item mall items

it's different if you choose to go with 20 gap, 50/50 int/str and level 30 pacheon, 30 heukal, and 30 bicheon because it only affects you. when things affect other people unjustly, then we have a dilemna. what you miss is that we don't have ANY other irks with how you do things or how you play except 1* popping. so therefore, we are in 99% agreement and only disagree on ONE thing...but it's a biggie we can't afford to lose.

second, this is a "forum", a "discussion", and saying "i don't need to justify it" is really pointless.

You popped people before this thread. So I still don't understand. Was it not a selfish gameplay strategy to begin with, before all the backlash reached you here? Of course it was- nothing has changed.

If you don't like people complaining about what you do, I'm afraid you don't have many options besides a) living with it because you know they have a right to be mad, or b) be a little more thoughtful for your fellow gamers.

Victimised players arn't going to stop "crying" about unfair treatment, so if you really do prefer choosing what we think of as the 'selfish' style of play, well... every popper has what's coming to them, and they shouldn't be suprised when crowds of people disapprove. Just as any griefer or scammer knows that many people will eventually hate him and trash-talk him wherever he goes, he "doesn't care" about others, and shouldn't complain.

As someone of such high standing and authority as yourself, Ryoko, liked by so many people, it is that much more difficult for us to understand how you could play in this manner.

But I still respect you as a person, regardless of how you choose to play the game. Like I say, keeping the two sides seperate is important when we're discussing things like this, because it's not 'you' doing the bad thing, it's your online presence/character doing it.

Remember peeps, we're not the ones trying to change you. We don't need to justify your actions, because you're the ones trying to change OUR style of gameplay. The burden of persuasion is placed on YOU, not US. And the 'morals' thing won't work.

We're not the ones bending gameplay mechanics for selfish ends, either. :/ What exactly could we be persuaded to change? We're not doing anything in the game to be argued with.

I know the topic has kinda got away from this, but,


"Doesn't not disapprove"

After five minutes of thinking about this, I figured out it means....
disapprove.

I didn't read the thing that that was in. But that's what it really means.

I don't like 1 star poppers at all. I'm only 160% away from level 70 now, two more weeks max and the real fun begins

Oh and the beauty of it? They won't be able to kill me without going red, I'll be helping them all unsuited by killing their little noob popping spawns which will be nicely blue for me.

I'll be finding 1 star poppers and following them around all night, oh what fun I'm gonna have

Don't like what I'm gonna do? Have free 1200 murder points on me lol

when poppers pop us, we are FORCED to play by your unjustifiable rules.

I think I'll buy a set of 3rd degree clothes so people try and pop me but then my thief spawns first and they think I'm a noob and my thief whacks them for 10k dmg and if my horse does get killed I can laugh at the 1 piece of silk on the floor worth about 10 gold or maybe I should ride around Jangan with a 1 star trade popping 1 star poppers, see how they like fighting dark red thieves that kill them in one shot.

when the thieves spawn, you can also kill your transport and phantom walk away... leaving the popper to deal with your thief ^^ at the very least, the thief is going to own his transport

lol that's a good idea I think I'll try that one

Two wrongs don't make a right. Three lefts do, so figure how that works in.

The fact that you can't see why or how is really irrelevant because it doesn't change what happened: an official statement was made implicitly stating Joymax's support for 1-star popping. Maybe they did it because they don't want to fix a mistake, or maybe there was no mistake in the first place, either way the official statement stands. Who said they were being stupid? And why are "stupid" and "mistaken" the only possibilities? How about "practical", "ambivalent", or even "sadistic"?

Joymax clearly is aware of this debate among the player community, and the Q&A sends a clear message that they are not going to take sides by either denouncing or advocating 1-star popping; the message is that they are not going to "fix" it. You will never convince all poppers to stop; if your arguments convinced even 10% of poppers to stop it would be an incredible success. Now you are left with the question, what are you going to do about it? What is the best tactic? Arguing endlessly with people whose minds you will not change? Not playing the game again until 1-star popping is no longer possible? Or accepting that poppers are out there and deciding it's up to you, and people like you, to grind levels until you can do something about it?

You're tilting against windmills when you could be aggroing a popper's red NPC and running for your life until it disappeared. All you have to do is survive one hit and have reasonable speed, because NPCs are pretty slow. If you are as serious about this as you put on, then you must be willing to risk a little exp to save an innocent trader's cargo. I've done it a dozen times at least, and died often, and now I'm level 56 and can kill just about any NPC thief in the game, one on one. I have made a difference. Wouldn't you like to be able to say that?

Bakemaster's last statement sums up my feelings, too. Don't like 1* popping, then go grind until you're strong enough to do something about it. I like the way Mamba, and Bake think.

It was funnier with Gunza.

True, but I felt like posting it on here. Granted, it's not as funny after the first time you see it.

(smacks forehead)

I imagine this is how Martin Luther King, Jr. would have felt if, at the conclusion of his "I Have A Dream" speech, Chris Rock had grabbed the mic and yelled, "Take that, ya cracka-ass bitches!"

You gotta admit. That slideshow is funny as hell. All the OWNED pictures put into ONE slideshow.

Lol, I apologize for my low-brow attempt at humor. Still doesn't change how magnificent your post was.

I feel like you're going to follow this up with, "And all for just three easy payments of $19.95!"

I do the same thing, Bake. I'm proud that I am able to protect people. What upsets me is that the people who suffer the most don't have any choice in the matter. But it is good that decent people like you and I exist to help them against the unfair odds.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that there's nothing a 1-star popper hates more than some 3x dragging away his NPC every time it spawns. Of course, if you do get critted by a lit bow or cornered by a double spawn, he will mock you like there's no tomorrow, but that's a good indicator of how pissed he is.

A 3x can't drag it very far if the thief is level 60+. Infact, if you don't do enough damage, it won't even aggro on you.