Pure INT S/S vs Pure INT spear

Rosemead · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 353 **Location:**

I want PURE INT. No other build and no other race but Chinese. Which is better and why? Which masteries would be good for each of the two given builds? Please comment.

piXie_niXie · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 666 **Location:**

s/s byfar

better def, block, and wep skills are alot more handy IMO

Rosemead · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 353 **Location:**

piXie_niXie wrote:

s/s byfar

better def, block, and wep skills are alot more handy IMO

What masteries do you recommend for 90 cap?

daemon225 · **Posted:** Fri May 30, 2008 5:07 am

bichon 90 light 90 ice 90

Rosemead · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 353 **Location:**

daemon225 wrote:

bichon 90 light 90 ice 90

Do you have a certain amount of what skills should I add? Only those NEEDED. Nothing special...

uBeR · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 966 **Location:**

KD + Stab, nuke, passives, grass walk, snow shield, piercing force, concentration, and imbue.

MooMooMoo · **Posted:** Fri May 30, 2008 5:28 am

Rosemead wrote:

daemon225 wrote:

bichon 90 light 90 ice 90

Do you have a certain amount of what skills should I add? Only those NEEDED. Nothing special...

IMO, For bicheon I'd get all the KD, Stab's and the castle and iron wall series. If you have extra sp then get the combos. As for lightning I'd get everything, your choice to get the shock lion shout series, again if you have sp to spare. Finally, the Ice, you should get the Snow shield series, and Guard of Ice series. If you have extra sp you can fool around with the crystal wall series or the ice nukes. Btw hope you dont forget about maxing the passive skills lol. Other may have different's builds but thats what Im using right now. Good luck

piXie_niXie · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 666 **Location:**

Rosemead wrote:

piXie_niXie wrote:

s/s byfar

better def, block, and wep skills are alot more handy IMO

What masteries do you recommend for 90 cap?

fore pure either bicheon/light/cold 90 or bicheon/fire 90 light/cold 60

the_wicked · **Posted:** Fri May 30, 2008 7:00 am

piXie_niXie wrote:

Rosemead wrote:

piXie_niXie wrote:

s/s byfar

better def, block, and wep skills are alot more handy IMO

What masteries do you recommend for 90 cap?

fore pure either bicheon/light/cold 90 or bicheon/fire 90 light/cold 60

i always saw the bich/fire 90 light/cold 60 a hybrid spear build, since they have less MP + less mag def...

but i think the light/cold/bich 90 with either 30 heuk/fire/pacheon is the best s/s build.

William-CL · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 7363 **Location:** N/A

Ima start Fresh with you with basic pros and cons.

S/S Pros:
Defense
Block
Knock Down

S/S Cons:
Less HP
Less Damage

Spear Pros:
Better Damage
Higher HP
Stun
Knockback

Spear Cons:
Open to attack at all times (no block)
Less Defense (no shield)
Attacks seem a bit slower than S/S (Nukes remain the same)

Strategically a S/S Pure INT is the better choice in terms of defense. However if you plan on just dishing out some damage regardless og your own defense, then go with spear. If you go pure INT Spear, wear decent gear or when you get mobbed by your own lvl, you will die pretty easy. Only like 3-4 mobs of the same lvl will kill you if they all hit at once.

Either Go S/S With Bich/Light/Fire Or Spear with Heaksal/Light/Cold

Leon · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 273 **Location:** OTL

daemon225 wrote:

bichon 90 light 90 ice 90

+1, thats what my goal is :wink:

DaZzY · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 1357

Iam pure int spear in garms and i rock any int s/s, spear nukes so hard and then to finish them off mars.

Ofc if they use bubble its a pot fight till they run out so you dont want to use it at the same time as them so you use snakestorm so your bubble(snow) doesn't end the same time as theirs then snow up, they die once their snow goes.

reddragonz · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 66 **Location:** Lounge

Drop ice and get fire to dish out big nukes. and get some euro buffs for pvp and defence.

doomas · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 380 **Location:**

Drop ice... lol, dude, that's stupid. int cannot be w/o ice&light. And believe me - you won't be using fire that much. 2 light books, 2nd ice book, sword dance,shouts, evil cut and you'll be a non-stoping grinding machine in the cave

LockStar. · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 948 **Location:**

>.< wrote:

Iam pure int spear in garms and i rock any int s/s, spear nukes so hard and then to finish them off mars.

Ofc if they use bubble its a pot fight till they run out so you dont want to use it at the same time as them so you use snakestorm so your bubble(snow) doesn't end the same time as theirs then snow up, they die once their snow goes.

I could kill Sun geared Pure INT S/S with that tactic.. 15 sec of fan storm in the beggining and another 15 at the end.

But when my friend was on my char and me on his (Pure INT S/S) I realised it is pretty easy to counter that tactic.. especially if you get lucky.

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

Blackdragon6 wrote:

Ima start Fresh with you with basic pros and cons.

S/S Pros:
Defense
Block
Knock Down

S/S Cons:
Less HP
Less Damage

Spear Pros:
Better Damage
Higher HP
Stun
Knockback

Spear Cons:
Open to attack at all times (no block)
Less Defense (no shield)
Attacks seem a bit slower than S/S (Nukes remain the same)

Strategically a S/S Pure INT is the better choice in terms of defense. However if you plan on just dishing out some damage regardless og your own defense, then go with spear. If you go pure INT Spear, wear decent gear or when you get mobbed by your own lvl, you will die pretty easy. Only like 3-4 mobs of the same lvl will kill you if they all hit at once.

Either Go S/S With Bich/Light/Fire Or Spear with Heaksal/Light/Cold

not quite: the bloody wolfstorm skill

gives you a block ratio of 10% for 10 or 15 seconds

Davis · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 33 **Location:**

S/S is awesome. KD's and better def.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

S/S WOULD WIN! GO FULL FORCE!

90 fire 90 light 90 ice awshumness!

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Speedy · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 175 **Location:**

LockStar. wrote:

>.< wrote:

Iam pure int spear in garms and i rock any int s/s, spear nukes so hard and then to finish them off mars.

Ofc if they use bubble its a pot fight till they run out so you dont want to use it at the same time as them so you use snakestorm so your bubble(snow) doesn't end the same time as theirs then snow up, they die once their snow goes.

I could kill Sun geared Pure INT S/S with that tactic.. 15 sec of fan storm in the beggining and another 15 at the end.

But when my friend was on my char and me on his (Pure INT S/S) I realised it is pretty easy to counter that tactic.. especially if you get lucky.

Im pretty sure me in Non sun killed you with my HYBRID int s/s several times :roll:

antics · **Posted:** Fri May 30, 2008 3:17 pm

if u get division n bleed n w.e the other thing is the spear guy is dead
hell even with division ul gain a huge advantage
the sword will be dishing out more power

alcoholic · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 476 **Location:**

well pure int s/s vs pure int spear...
hmmm id have to say s/s would win casue spear has a horrbiel def...
there is not a huge point in having high hp but no def to back it up...

spear is alot stronger being hybrid..

pure int s/s debuffs you with divison and bleed its over for pure int spear lol

LockStar. · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 948 **Location:**

Speedy wrote:

LockStar. wrote:

>.< wrote:

Iam pure int spear in garms and i rock any int s/s, spear nukes so hard and then to finish them off mars.

Ofc if they use bubble its a pot fight till they run out so you dont want to use it at the same time as them so you use snakestorm so your bubble(snow) doesn't end the same time as theirs then snow up, they die once their snow goes.

I could kill Sun geared Pure INT S/S with that tactic.. 15 sec of fan storm in the beggining and another 15 at the end.

But when my friend was on my char and me on his (Pure INT S/S) I realised it is pretty easy to counter that tactic.. especially if you get lucky.

Im pretty sure me in Non sun killed you with my HYBRID int s/s several times :roll:

Thats why I said its possible to counter the tactic, dumbass. :banghead:

Bring your glavier on anytime.. rape you even with your gay PLUS.

TheDash · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 193 **Location:** Romania

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Blackdragon6 wrote:

Ima start Fresh with you with basic pros and cons.

S/S Pros:
Defense
Block
Knock Down

S/S Cons:
Less HP
Less Damage

Spear Pros:
Better Damage
Higher HP
Stun
Knockback

Spear Cons:
Open to attack at all times (no block)
Less Defense (no shield)
Attacks seem a bit slower than S/S (Nukes remain the same)

Strategically a S/S Pure INT is the better choice in terms of defense. However if you plan on just dishing out some damage regardless og your own defense, then go with spear. If you go pure INT Spear, wear decent gear or when you get mobbed by your own lvl, you will die pretty easy. Only like 3-4 mobs of the same lvl will kill you if they all hit at once.

Either Go S/S With Bich/Light/Fire Or Spear with Heaksal/Light/Cold

not quite: the bloody wolfstorm skill

gives you a block ratio of 10% for 10 or 15 seconds

just for you to know that bloks just magical ataks so its still shity plus nobody uses it

DotCom · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 497 **Location:**

I see a lot of players going spear at this 90 cap. Understandable, it doesn't have so many complications as the s/s build at this cap. As you can see it doesn't have many dilemmas. Even without a tactic you'll still be able to do considerate damage and also not drop fast.

Spear (90 heuksal/cold/light and 30 fire) light imbue
-Nice damage from heuksal skills
-2 powerful light nukes (u can't go nuking spree but heuksal skills make up for that)
-with 30 fire u can still get immune
-nice defense because of cold 90 (aka snow)
-HP passive

For s/s i dont have a build yet. I have a nuker s/s not 80 yet and i cant decide on how its gonna be for 90 cap. I will base my decision on the following criteria.
1.Would like to take bicheon skills.
-Shield + KD is a life savior
-Lightning Chain (i consider it very important since it gives bleed, impotent and division)

2.Lightning (kinda vital for a nuker)
-parry buff
-grass walk + ghost walk
-mag % atack increase

3.Fire
-mag defense
-fire shield (immunity)
-powerful nukes

4.Cold
-with snow shield this mastery is kinda vital too for a nuker

I think my build will be something in between of this masteries. I'll just try to find a balance.

Amalie · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 390 **Location:**

I so love my S/S Int

If built properly with decent gear it can be devasatating.

Gonna try and make a vid this cap when im finished. I suck at making vids though.

Norain_ · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 785 **Location:**

shoudlnt this topic be in Character Skills?
just wondered...

Voluptas · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 194 **Location:**

reddragonz wrote:

Drop ice and get fire to dish out big nukes. and get some euro buffs for pvp and defence.

Are you retarded?

ANY int without ice just screams out "easy target".

Not everybody can have a cleric follow their every move.

My nuker was, before she was hacked, going to be 90 bicheon, ice and light, 30 heuksal. I decided on 30 heuksal for the little extra hp, and i wasnt too worried about not being able to be immune to things.

I would say 90/90/90 for bicheon, ice and light would be best.

And one rather important thing everybody else forgot to mention, Sword can now give Bleed and other statuses which increase their damage.

AkillerNXC · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1014 **Location:**

I can tell you what to get if you go S/S.

Bicheon:

Smash series
Chains- blood, ascension, and Lightning.
All KD's
All stabs.
Castle shield/Ironwall shield
Passive

Lightning: (Max everything in the entire tree)
Imbue
Piercing force series (mag attk increase -.-)
Concentration series.
ALL nukes.
Grasswalk/phantom.
Passive.

Ice:
Snow shield MAX IT.
Gaurd series (phys defense)
Passive
Optional to get the second book frost nova, its helpful when mobs are ganging you. And you only need to get lvl 1 of the first book.

Fire: 30
Fire shield.
Optional, if you want the like 8 mag defense from the fire protection or whatever get that too. Same with passive (2% phys dmg woo lol, hardly any use for ints, and same with flame body)

@Amalie. Vid should be good

Can't way to see you at 90.

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

base on pvp. that i have seen not sure if pure...but int with heuksal and ice max do a lot better in pvp...the dmg done by heuksal is VERY high....however once snow shield is over....thats another story.

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