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Post subject: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:23 am |
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Hello, =D
I want to make a new character, and a spear character seems nice. However, I haven't played one before so I don't have a clue about how good they are.
Can they stand against european characters? Are they good in PVP, good against mobs or both?
I'm not sure if I should go hybrid or INT and since I can't find any recent guide I'm hoping that someone could tell me what the best choice is, or maybe link me to a guide.
Thanks in advance, and see you on the Silkroad =D
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If you think I should make another chinese character that's okay too. A spear just seems nice but if it'd be better to go with something else I would like to hear it! =)
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:48 am |
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IN MY OPINIONyes do that they are good in pvp if u have good items (all bad without good items) u can go as a hybrid cuz pure int die fast and u dont have more def(like the S/S) so hybrid is better let me talk about 2:1 (i know about those hybrid alot  (2int 1str each lvl) Y HYBRID u have alot hp(more than pure int cuz u put str and u have hp+ skill) high damge(not like pure int but u hit hard phy skills and mg skills also using a spear give more damge) more def (u put str give more phy def and with ur ice) my planning for 90cap (if i got a new computer cuz mine is crahed  ) 90SPEAR 90FIRE 90LIGHT 30ICE wear protecter i know u miss ice but putting 1 str each lvl and wearing protecter will give enough phy def fire give mg def and putting int give mg def and this build have a MASSIVE attack power (fire imbue) and (spear) gives alot
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:53 am |
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Thanks for your reply! =)
I added an edit to my first post, since I'm not even sure if spear is the best choice. I've always played euro so if someone thinks a STR bow, for example, is the better choice for me I'd like to hear it too, although the topic title might seem a little wrong now.
- I love PVP - I want to kill mobs fast - I prefer not being dependent on a party
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:02 am |
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no no. go S/S hybrid. WHY? Because then you can go for a higher mag balance than spear chars as wont need as much hp . you have a sheild  Also you have bicheon chains, KD  and stab. IMO much more usefull than any spear skill as they get you out of trouble easily. Being mainly a INT char.. this is a gd thing Spear INT chars wether hybrid or not dont have as much on there side to protect themselves. only the haueksal passive... There more for extra power. but why? your mainly int anyway with S/S hybrid. so i find bicheon skills much more beinificial than this extra bit of power being spear user
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:05 am |
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jleyens wrote: no no. go S/S hybrid. WHY? Because then you can go for a higher mag balance than spear chars as wont need as much hp . you have a sheild  Also you have bicheon chains, KD  and stab. IMO much more usefull than any spear skill as they get you out of trouble easily. Being mainly a INT char.. this is a gd thing Spear INT chars wether hybrid or not dont have as much on there side to protect themselves. only the haueksal passive... There more for extra power. but why? your mainly int anyway with S/S hybrid. so i find bicheon skills much more beinificial than this extra bit of power being spear user How is the damage compared to other characters, when using this build?
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:11 am |
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jleyens wrote: no no. go S/S hybrid. WHY? Because then you can go for a higher mag balance than spear chars as wont need as much hp . you have a sheild  Also you have bicheon chains, KD  and stab. IMO much more usefull than any spear skill as they get you out of trouble easily. Being mainly a INT char.. this is a gd thing Spear INT chars wether hybrid or not dont have as much on there side to protect themselves. only the haueksal passive... There more for extra power. but why? your mainly int anyway with S/S hybrid. so i find bicheon skills much more beinificial than this extra bit of power being spear user as i said putting 1 str each lvl gonna give enough def and s/s full int SKS vs glavier no offence but its fact go spear its realy better for wat u need i know what u said about spear(bads) is true but going 2:1 will fix i was thinking like u about DEF but after using MATH i saw there is no problom also if u are spear u will get what u like(from that 3 points) u will feel strong also SPEAR win s/s WHY? cuz even if u have that Kd u will be enough strong to stay alive alot after it in 2:1 u dont miss def dont think in ur life that u miss def if u are 2:1 u got a good def (dont think u have more def like s/s)but its good also u have more hp more phy attack more def then a pure int and u dont have to use nukes all the time and u have KB its good also its same(but not same quality) as KD EDIT: if u go s/s pure int u wont be able to kill giants so good my frnd is pure int s/s lvl 46 go to lvl 35 party giant and get killed at the end SPEAR 2:1 FTW
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:12 am |
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Hmm... IMO they're both kind of equal.
S/S gets the chance to block and also you can have higher INT by getting SOX sword AND shield, whereas spear would just have 1 SOX item. Also because of having shield you can get more defense.
However, Heuskai passive adds about 100 hp every 10 levels, so thats bound to add up. That combined with hybrid will give you a nice amount of hp over a pure int S/S.
However, my opinion is just theoretical. I've never had a character over lvl 35 XD. I've played silkroad for a long time, just server hopping and such though. So I may have -some- credibility, but in this category I'm just stating how I think it would go.
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:15 am |
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Is the damage of a 2:1 still high enough? I get your point of defence and survivability but I don't want to become weak in terms of damage.
Thanks for all the replies so far! =D
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:18 am |
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VcentG wrote: Hmm... IMO they're both kind of equal.
S/S gets the chance to block its only +1% each 10 lvls and spear have a chance not to get its hit blocked u still have more hp(at 90 u have 2800 + hp)
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:21 am |
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Micheeels wrote: Is the damage of a 2:1 still high enough? I get your point of defence and survivability but I don't want to become weak in terms of damage.
Thanks for all the replies so far! =D less damge???? no way man YOU 1) wear a spear (more damge) 2) u put 2INT so lets say spear + 2int make high damge(+nuke =ultimate damge) 3) u put 1STR so 1STR+ spear give more phys damge (alot alot alot more than a pure int) MASSIVE DAMGE
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:26 am |
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__ViRuS__ wrote: Micheeels wrote: Is the damage of a 2:1 still high enough? I get your point of defence and survivability but I don't want to become weak in terms of damage.
Thanks for all the replies so far! =D less damge???? no way man YOU 1) wear a spear (more damge) 2) u put 2INT so lets say spear + 2int make high damge(+nuke =ultimate damge) 3) u put 1STR so 1STR+ spear give more phys damge (alot alot alot more than a pure int) MASSIVE DAMGE Aah I see, you can't nuke all the time, and with the added STR your weapon skills will hit higher than if you were full INT. Right?
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:27 am |
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__ViRuS__ wrote: VcentG wrote: Hmm... IMO they're both kind of equal.
S/S gets the chance to block its only +1% each 10 lvls and spear have a chance not to get its hit blocked u still have more hp(at 90 u have 2800 + hp) That's why I said -kind of- equal lol. Also you could just get a shield that has a higher Block Ratio. Although I don't know how easy they are to come by. On Saturn its noobville so there's like nothing for sale until 5D+. So I have the basic shield +3 XD. But my old 2D shield had block ratio 15. But yeah, thats why I started with S/S and then kinda pointed out that Heuskai is still good because of the other stuff. Heuksai = More Hp, More damage, More Pwn Bicheon = Block, More stats(if you can afford SOX), and more shiny things o,o shinyyyyyy. I'd personally go for Heuskai if you're going for PVP. In PVE you probably won't notice a difference, but since weapons can have high block ratios (the ones that go THROUGH blocks not add to your blocking) the shield won't do much but add some defense and -maybe- save you one attack here and there. Plus spears just look pwnage. And to answer your question on Pure v.s. Hybrid. Hybrid lower damage is probably not as noticeable. At higher levels you will see a bigger gap in power (because at lvl 90 they will have 89 more int than you!) But that's a long ways away. And the way I see it, they won't be able to 1 hit you, but you'll be able to do enough to 1 hit them. Like he said, 2800 more hp if you do Heuskai, that + your extra 89 Str. You're bound to have a nice chunk of HP to take 1 hit from them, but their hp will be far below so even if you have less damage, you can probably take them down. Again, just my opinion lol.
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:29 am |
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Micheeels wrote: __ViRuS__ wrote: Micheeels wrote: Is the damage of a 2:1 still high enough? I get your point of defence and survivability but I don't want to become weak in terms of damage.
Thanks for all the replies so far! =D less damge???? no way man YOU 1) wear a spear (more damge) 2) u put 2INT so lets say spear + 2int make high damge(+nuke =ultimate damge) 3) u put 1STR so 1STR+ spear give more phys damge (alot alot alot more than a pure int) MASSIVE DAMGE Aah I see, you can't nuke all the time, and with the added STR your weapon skills will hit higher than if you were full INT. Right? yes u dont have to nuke all the time (its in all the charcters) i dont think that who nuke all the time have a brain
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:33 am |
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Quote: And to answer your question on Pure v.s. Hybrid. Hybrid lower damage is probably not as noticeable. At higher levels you will see a bigger gap in power (because at lvl 90 they will have 89 more int than you!) But that's a long ways away. And the way I see it, they won't be able to 1 hit you, but you'll be able to do enough to 1 hit them. Like he said, 2800 more hp if you do Heuskai, that + your extra 89 Str. You're bound to have a nice chunk of HP to take 1 hit from them, but their hp will be far below so even if you have less damage, you can probably take them down.
true thats y i was saying go SPEAR hybrid
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:34 am |
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Yeah the extra str would add nicely to your weapon skills, I never really thought about that bonus too. Spear hybrid sounds like a good idea now. I have faith!
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:36 am |
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VcentG wrote: Yeah the extra str would add nicely to your weapon skills, I never really thought about that bonus too. Spear hybrid sounds like a good idea now. I have faith!
Off-Topic: Virus fix your computer lol. =( lets me say about ur off-topic mother bored = crashed ram = all crashed micro proceser = crahsed i think im gonna buy new 1 im actualy not lucky i get that crash in my 1st day of summer holiday i think im gonna buy new 1
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:40 am |
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Sad story... Hope you can get a new one XP.
So Micheeels, what's it looking like you're going to decide on?
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:45 am |
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I'm going for the hybrid spear!
Thanks a lot to everyone who replied here, I really appreciate all the help! =D
PS: Really sad Virus, I hope you can get it all fixed soon!
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:47 am |
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Micheeels wrote: I'm going for the hybrid spear!
Thanks a lot to everyone who replied here, I really appreciate all the help! =D
PS: Really sad Virus, I hope you can get it all fixed soon! thanks  and come to venus its more legits VcentG wrote: Sad story... Hope you can get a new one XP.
So Micheeels, what's it looking like you're going to decide on? thanks i wish that too im gonna die if i didnt get 1
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:03 pm |
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Okay there is just one thing which I'm not sure about yet.
Fire or Ice 90? I don't need ice as much as full INTs do, but I don't know wether I should take it anyway because I STILL need the defence, or if should take fire because I have enough defence and need more damage?
I know my English sucks ;p I find it very hard to explain what I'm trying to say above, I hope someone understands me though!
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:47 pm |
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Go 90 heuk, 90 fire, 60 light and 60 ice
Why 90 heuk You need weapon skills for PvP and probably for PvE as well. Why 90 fire You not full int, thus the extra mag def won't hurt. You're partial str, thus the extra phy dam won't hurt. The imbue is simply the best. Why 60 light Because you want 60 ice and the difference between 60 and 90 int is something you can cope with. Why 60 ice Ok'ish def Minor snow shield. You can't run Snow shield as well as full int, but a lower one should be doable.
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:12 pm |
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takolin wrote: Go 90 heuk, 90 fire, 60 light and 60 ice
not good cuz 60 light SKS ur ghost walk will not be good and u will not get the 90nuke 90light is alot important cuz u get the nuke and better ghost walk 60ice isnt alot needed u can just leave it 30 and snow shield(i know its vry good but u can tank with out it ) (((making 2 mystries 60 sounds bad i wouldnt like it))) Micheeels wrote: Okay there is just one thing which I'm not sure about yet.
Fire or Ice 90? I don't need ice as much as full INTs do, but I don't know wether I should take it anyway because I STILL need the defence, or if should take fire because I have enough defence and need more damage?
I know my English sucks ;p I find it very hard to explain what I'm trying to say above, I hope someone understands me though! 90fire 90heu 90light 30ice 89str give phy def protecter give phy def when u be at that lvl (80maybe) u will know that im talking true str charcters need fire int """"""""" """" light so u need the 2 the 2 are imoportant for a hybrid ice give phy def u will have ENOUGH phy def so no need for it lets say if u make 90ice and leave fire now u have aloooot phy def if u wear prot but u lose alot attack (FIRE) fire give mg def and phy atack cold give phy def go fire and im sure u will be good with out cold
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:43 pm |
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So fire will be there for my imbue, nukes and the wall, lightning will be there for buffs and nukes, and ice for buffs?
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:11 pm |
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I am having trouble picking a class to use! I started picking Euro, but their defense and health sux! Even though their damage is monstrous, they rely on parties. But in chinese, I find it horribly boring to level any class to 30. I was thinking of making either a pure int spear, a hybrid int spear, or a pure str glavie. Btw, I'm a noob, how do hybrid stats work? 2:1? What does it mean lol?
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:47 pm |
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McLovin1t wrote: I am having trouble picking a class to use! I started picking Euro, but their defense and health sux! Even though their damage is monstrous, they rely on parties. But in chinese, I find it horribly boring to level any class to 30. I was thinking of making either a pure int spear, a hybrid int spear, or a pure str glavie. Btw, I'm a noob, how do hybrid stats work? 2:1? What does it mean lol? 2:1 means each lvl 2INT 1STR (your stat points) and ya its vry boring to make ur charcter lvl 30 but after that makes you  and feel vry nice to play Micheeels wrote: So fire will be there for my imbue, nukes and the wall, lightning will be there for buffs and nukes, and ice for buffs? YES and u have to use light nukes too cuz sometimes it hit harder than fire
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:05 pm |
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do what ever build you like if your gona go spear i suggest hybrid 1:4 or lower to stay alive and do great damage.. i suggest 90 hueskal 90 fire 60 light 60 ice spear builds need ice to survive agisnt strong crits and euro characters... if you go hybrid s/s i suggest any hybrid you want.. if you go 2:1 with s/s you'll have a hard time kill but when your get lightning chain and new kd your strong as hell... do what you like but s/s doesnt get boring becasue of there cool chains or you like both and you can do what am doing dual build 90 hueskal 90 bicheon 90 light 30 ice hybrid 1:4 or lower having high damage from hueskal and lightning chain from sword dam thats powerful ive pvped pure int with 50% snow sheild lol there run away becasue i draining all there mp away and eating up there hp.. divison+bleed or impotent + spear= Good game 
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:16 pm |
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Only good with snow shield on for pvp....
ATM i can kill 99% of int characters s/s or just spear even with there 50% snow shield on lol. cuz they still have 8D set.... storm cloud owns....if u think i'm lying pvp me on troy.
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:04 am |
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[quote="alcoholic"]do what ever build you like if your gona go spear i suggest hybrid 1:4 or lower to stay alive and do great damage.. quote]
4:1 die faster than 2:1 and there is no alot diff damge between it 4:1 do more but u stay alive more hp more def more dont pay ur def and phy attack and hp for more attack u already have alot attack
and about making the both u lost light light is a must u cant lose light as the same u cant lose fire and u neeed fast computer to remove and put the weapons fast
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:23 pm |
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__ViRuS__ wrote: alcoholic wrote: do what ever build you like if your gona go spear i suggest hybrid 1:4 or lower to stay alive and do great damage.. quote]
4:1 die faster than 2:1 and there is no alot diff damge between it 4:1 do more but u stay alive more hp more def more dont pay ur def and phy attack and hp for more attack u already have alot attack
and about making the both u lost light light is a must u cant lose light as the same u cant lose fire and u neeed fast computer to remove and put the weapons fast you dont really no much about this game from what ive seen in all your post... sure 2:1 has higher hp and higher phy balance but a 1:4 has higher mp for snow sheild and higher mag balance. and more mag def... Light 60 vs light 90 ITS NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE! light 60 only loses 3% mag buff less sthen 90 light light 90 has like what around 8 parry ratio more and light 60 has good enough speed and phantom why not lose 30 masterires of light and use higher snow sheild and phy def for a hybrid int? and second of switching isnt even hard you... switching is simple as hell... for switching most people swith during a kd and kb you dont need a fast computer to switch i can switch on my laptop and play.
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Post subject: Re: Making a SPEAR character, is it worth it? Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:41 pm |
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alcoholic wrote: __ViRuS__ wrote: alcoholic wrote: do what ever build you like if your gona go spear i suggest hybrid 1:4 or lower to stay alive and do great damage.. quote]
4:1 die faster than 2:1 and there is no alot diff damge between it 4:1 do more but u stay alive more hp more def more dont pay ur def and phy attack and hp for more attack u already have alot attack
and about making the both u lost light light is a must u cant lose light as the same u cant lose fire and u neeed fast computer to remove and put the weapons fast you dont really no much about this game from what ive seen in all your post... sure 2:1 has higher hp and higher phy balance but a 1:4 has higher mp for snow sheild and higher mag balance. and more mag def... Light 60 vs light 90 ITS NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE! light 60 only loses 3% mag buff less sthen 90 light light 90 has like what around 8 parry ratio more and light 60 has good enough speed and phantom why not lose 30 masterires of light and use higher snow sheild and phy def for a hybrid int? and second of switching isnt even hard you... switching is simple as hell... for switching most people swith during a kd and kb you dont need a fast computer to switch i can switch on my laptop and play. say as much wat u say it lags when switching in fight well when u switch weapon it SOMETIMES lag and may make u after the lag dead i tried it in my another computer it was happining for me and 60 light 90light i say about what u said YES but u lose some more meters in ghost walk and the 90 light nukeand if u make 60ice 60light when 100 cap come u will make 100light 100fire 100wep so its same but it wtill good to make it 60/60 but its not worth that
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