Chinese Hybrids & You.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Blindfire wrote:

I have a chinese that I am going to pfarm once I get to a high enough level. It is going to be an Ice\Fire\Heuksal glaive and I want to make it hybrid. Unfortunately I have no idea how hybrid is should be. Anyone able to help?

Between 90% and 80% Physical balance or 5/4/3:1. 2:1 might be pushing it unless you want a light Hybrid.

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

AngelMare wrote:

Nitro wrote:

AngelMare wrote:

This Hybrid thing will function very good with Other Chinese , but wont function against euros of opposite kind , u will be 1 hit victim with mana shield or without unless ur like fully pimped up and he is not O.o .

Okay ... what?
So... hybrid will die in 1 hit against euros with snow shield on , while full ints wont? gg

cant delieve my point 2 u XD cant explain it @.@ pssshh

Okay ... I wont tell anyone :oops:

HawaiianMix · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

CONSIDERING EVERYONE IS SUPPOSE TO HAVE ONLY 2 MASTERIES AS A CHINESE it depends on the build ...... plus ... since joymax has not finished the chinese skills .. it's hard to tell ... but it's all on how you use your character

for example .... i am a 2 mastery nuker ..... light and cold only .... thus i need to be pure int since i only nuke.. .. all depends on how you play yoru character and how joymax changes the skills

John_Doe · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2094 **Location:**

AngelMare wrote:

This Hybrid thing will function very good with Other Chinese , but wont function against euros of opposite kind , u will be 1 hit victim with mana shield or without unless ur like fully pimped up and he is not O.o .

Tell us of a chinese build that can't be 1hit by a wiz or rogue of the same lvl?

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

HawaiianMix wrote:

CONSIDERING EVERYONE IS SUPPOSE TO HAVE ONLY 2 maxed MASTERIES AS A CHINESE it depends on the build ...... plus ... since joymax has not finished the chinese skills .. it's hard to tell ... but it's all on how you use your character

for example .... i am a 2 mastery nuker ..... light and cold only .... thus i need to be pure int since i only nuke.. .. all depends on how you play yoru character and how joymax changes the skills

fixed

you don't have to have just two. If you do it right, you might be able to pull off more.

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

John_Doe wrote:

AngelMare wrote:

This Hybrid thing will function very good with Other Chinese , but wont function against euros of opposite kind , u will be 1 hit victim with mana shield or without unless ur like fully pimped up and he is not O.o .

Tell us of a chinese build that can't be 1hit by a wiz or rogue of the same lvl?

maybe a blader? well i cant be 1 hit by a lvl 40 rogue (i was surprised too :shock:

) but then i found out his weapon wsa npc

. so it depends on gear i guess lol.

RogueKiller · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1893 **Location:**

John_Doe wrote:

AngelMare wrote:

This Hybrid thing will function very good with Other Chinese , but wont function against euros of opposite kind , u will be 1 hit victim with mana shield or without unless ur like fully pimped up and he is not O.o .

Tell us of a chinese build that can't be 1hit by a wiz or rogue of the same lvl?

Glaiver, Blader, Acrher.
Your on Venus, meaning majority Euros. So you guys don't see any good Chinese characters.
Edit: Show me a wizard that doesn't get 1 hit by a glaiver or archer. It goes both ways at times.

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

This topic is going no where. Everyone is staying with there own opinion, you cant rely on videos because there one sided. If you wanna know what build is best for you.... Try the build out your self

Remember, there is no best build out there!!

HawaiianMix · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

HawaiianMix wrote:

CONSIDERING EVERYONE IS SUPPOSE TO HAVE ONLY 2 maxed MASTERIES AS A CHINESE it depends on the build ...... plus ... since joymax has not finished the chinese skills .. it's hard to tell ... but it's all on how you use your character

for example .... i am a 2 mastery nuker ..... light and cold only .... thus i need to be pure int since i only nuke.. .. all depends on how you play yoru character and how joymax changes the skills

fixed

you don't have to have just two. If you do it right, you might be able to pull off more.

pointless to gimp your masteries like that when you will require weapon + force or force + force....chinese should and will more than likely not have gimped subs UNLESS you are a str based character .... which then i could see you going weapon + half fire + half light for speed

today's cap ... ok .... later caps ... not worth it

build for the future is my moto

iShadow · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 48 **Location:**

John_Doe wrote:

AngelMare wrote:

This Hybrid thing will function very good with Other Chinese , but wont function against euros of opposite kind , u will be 1 hit victim with mana shield or without unless ur like fully pimped up and he is not O.o .

Tell us of a chinese build that can't be 1hit by a wiz or rogue of the same lvl?

a 7:1 int s/s hybrid in +5 pimped protector, +5 shield and in snowshield intensify; i have one and at 80 cap a +5 set wiz even with a +7 staff couldnt 1 hit me. i had 10k hp with snowshield max he did 9k.. so no; unless he ran to safe zone he got phantom+kd/stab. I have tried all wizzies in my server :wink:

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Just because they have both stats doesn't mean that Chinese characters are meant to be hybrids.

Didn't many of the first Int Hybrid Spear and Int Hybrid S/S players choose that build because they felt the damage of Pure Ints were overkill and needed more surviability? Joymax's solution, Snow Shield.

Whats with the new shield skill under Bicheon that mainly benefits Pure Str Blade users? I think its obvious JM wants you to be pure.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, but if you're planning to play for a long time, its best to stay pure. Who knows what type of skills JM will add next. If you're pure you can always go hybrid later but hybrids can never go back to being pure.

HawaiianMix · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

Just because they have both stats doesn't mean that Chinese characters are meant to be hybrids.

Didn't many of the first Int Hybrid Spear and Int Hybrid S/S players choose that build because they felt the damage of Pure Ints were overkill and needed more surviability? Joymax's solution, Snow Shield.

Whats with the new shield skill under Bicheon that mainly benefits Pure Str Blade users? I think its obvious JM wants you to be pure.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, but if you're planning to play for a long time, its best to stay pure. Who knows what type of skills JM will add next. If you're pure you can always go hybrid later but hybrids can never go back to being pure.

Joymax has created cartoons that clearly state that it is a mistake to NOT go pure. But, I know many of my friends who are hybrid and as long as they are happy with their character is what really matters.

Krushrpants · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 174 **Location:**

Hybrid is a better build altogether for chinese

(allow me to explain.)

Alright, according to that nifty character builder... a pure int at lv 90 w/ perfect gear would have:

9846 HP
+25403 MP
+1800 on head/chest/legs

= 37,049 HP/MP combined

now a hybrid, with just -10int and +10more str, also w/ perfect gear:

10429 HP
+24821 MP
+1800 on head/chest/legs

= 37,050 HP/MP combined

need I remind you 37,050 > 37,049: therefore, Hybrid is OBVIOUSLY the SUPERIOR build :roll:

</mild_sarcasm>

Hybrid doesnt really work too well with euros because of only one kind of damage on their weapons. But on chinese characters... wouldnt the ideal hybrid build be proportional to the mag and phy damage of your weapon? Like, say a spear, in general, is 2 mag damage : 1 phy damage, wouldnt the ideal hybrid for a spear be 2:1? And then have heuksal mastery with a nuking mastery to max your (combined) mag&phy damage.

(really, at this point, I think im just rambling)

alZen · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 657 **Location:**

i'd confess that i've thought of this for a long time too. but i just don't have the time to level up 1 hybrid to experiment and have gone with the common flow with some slight changes. it does appear that hybrids will shine as level caps draws closer to 150 (or whatever) and players get forced to limit to 2 maxed skill masteries. the chinese character system is weird compared to euros when you see how the mastery level stacks up. example : how's force tree gonna fit any build if eventually 150caps means only 2 skill trees VS euros that can gain 2 classes of full skills.

Plutonium · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 311 **Location:**

Only way to know which hybrid build is best is by applying the damage formula. and with snow shield, MP will be your HP so there goes your awesome hybrid build

Rained · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 47 **Location:** Malaysia

selenne wrote:

Rained wrote:

selenne wrote:

But da fact is: pure builds will be useless now da 9d came. Da hyb strs will tank so much as pure strs, and still do more dmg. Hyb ints will do awesom dmgs with a lot more of hp.
Build hybs is not so easy as build pures, but if u want to play till da end, it worths.
After notice da advantages of beein hybrid, i turned my pure str glavier into a hyb bow. Its da best thing ive done in 2 and a half years playin sro.

My opinion is against you after pvp with some pure str glaiver and pure int s/s, I lost pretty much although I'm using better gears than them, though lagness is part of the reasons, but I personally think that int hybrid are not doing as well as 80 cap due to mastery 300 limitation.

1. pure strs sux against mag attacks. hybs get a lot of advantage there, once the hyb's imbue has a good dif on dmg if comparated to pure str. so, if ure an hyb str or int, u can get advantage or takin more phy dmg or doin more mag dmg.
2. pure ints sux against phy dmgs and da low hp cant take not even good mag atks
3. da mastery cap makes u chose between ur masteries, there ur strategy counts. hybs wont hav problems, if they chose a correct strategy. hyb int? go for ice light.. hyb str? go for fire'n light. da wep mastery depends on how much hyb u are.

ps.: i pvp a lot, and i kno how annoyin an hyb int s/s can be, or an hyb glavie. and they kno how annoyin an hyb bow can be

Every build has its own disadvantage, pure str is weak against mag atk, pure int weak against phy atk, we all knew about that. However what I personal experienced is hybrid is weak against pure str/int at 90 cap.

A sun prot set pure int spear can kill a sun garm set glaiver while I, a hybrid int spear can never kill that glaiver. Of course I'm using same gears/weapon as the pure int does.

If you are talking about mastery, I'm using light and ice as you mentioned. Gears? take a look of mine
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89762&start=60 thought it's not very impressive but still I believe they are above average, and I know they are better than my opponents gears.

Plutonium wrote:

Only way to know which hybrid build is best is by applying the damage formula. and with snow shield, MP will be your HP so there goes your awesome hybrid build

Hybrid int cant use high lvl of snow shield as you will run of of mp and it kills you faster. Using low lvl of snow shield doesn't help much as you thought.

John_Doe · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2094 **Location:**

RogueKiller wrote:

John_Doe wrote:

AngelMare wrote:

This Hybrid thing will function very good with Other Chinese , but wont function against euros of opposite kind , u will be 1 hit victim with mana shield or without unless ur like fully pimped up and he is not O.o .

Tell us of a chinese build that can't be 1hit by a wiz or rogue of the same lvl?

Glaiver, Blader, Acrher.
Your on Venus, meaning majority Euros. So you guys don't see any good Chinese characters.
Edit: Show me a wizard that doesn't get 1 hit by a glaiver or archer. It goes both ways at times.

easly, any wizard with cleric as sub can easily survive the whole 5 combo books of a glavier (this is if were talking max lvl cause that is when a glavier, bower or blader would have the most hp). But I guess pulling the cleric card wouldn't be the same as the mana shield card, that one spear book with the red animation and castle shield card, so no there is no wiz that can survive a one hit.

UnbeatableDevil wrote:

John_Doe wrote:

AngelMare wrote:

This Hybrid thing will function very good with Other Chinese , but wont function against euros of opposite kind , u will be 1 hit victim with mana shield or without unless ur like fully pimped up and he is not O.o .

Tell us of a chinese build that can't be 1hit by a wiz or rogue of the same lvl?

maybe a blader? well i cant be 1 hit by a lvl 40 rogue (i was surprised too :shock:

) but then i found out his weapon wsa npc

. so it depends on gear i guess lol.

and yes that true 1hit is dependant on the character's gear.

CLOT · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 825 **Location:**

3 conditions a wiz can 1 hit blade/glaive/bow
1. life turnover
2. similar gear
3. no snowshield/fan storm (heusk increase mag def that 1)

but with life turnover, wiz is a 1 hit

and rogue, unless its a dagger wif DD on and Prick crit, it cant 1 hit same lvl pure str at cap
not even a xbow wif XE and critting can 1 hit

iShadow · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 48 **Location:**

HawaiianMix wrote:

Joymax has created cartoons that clearly state that it is a mistake to NOT go pure. But, I know many of my friends who are hybrid and as long as they are happy with their character is what really matters.

i cant not find what you are referring to. can you please provide a link or tell me what category of cartoon guide is that under?

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

Rained wrote:

selenne wrote:

Rained wrote:

My opinion is against you after pvp with some pure str glaiver and pure int s/s, I lost pretty much although I'm using better gears than them, though lagness is part of the reasons, but I personally think that int hybrid are not doing as well as 80 cap due to mastery 300 limitation.

1. pure strs sux against mag attacks. hybs get a lot of advantage there, once the hyb's imbue has a good dif on dmg if comparated to pure str. so, if ure an hyb str or int, u can get advantage or takin more phy dmg or doin more mag dmg.
2. pure ints sux against phy dmgs and da low hp cant take not even good mag atks
3. da mastery cap makes u chose between ur masteries, there ur strategy counts. hybs wont hav problems, if they chose a correct strategy. hyb int? go for ice light.. hyb str? go for fire'n light. da wep mastery depends on how much hyb u are.

ps.: i pvp a lot, and i kno how annoyin an hyb int s/s can be, or an hyb glavie. and they kno how annoyin an hyb bow can be

Every build has its own disadvantage, pure str is weak against mag atk, pure int weak against phy atk, we all knew about that. However what I personal experienced is hybrid is weak against pure str/int at 90 cap.

A sun prot set pure int spear can kill a sun garm set glaiver while I, a hybrid int spear can never kill that glaiver. Of course I'm using same gears/weapon as the pure int does.

If you are talking about mastery, I'm using light and ice as you mentioned. Gears? take a look of mine
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89762&start=60 thought it's not very impressive but still I believe they are above average, and I know they are better than my opponents gears.

Plutonium wrote:

Only way to know which hybrid build is best is by applying the damage formula. and with snow shield, MP will be your HP so there goes your awesome hybrid build

Hybrid int cant use high lvl of snow shield as you will run of of mp and it kills you faster. Using low lvl of snow shield doesn't help much as you thought.

only Joymax and Death2All knows what is the best highest dmg hybrid build.

Bg_DrEaM · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1354 **Location:**

I'm not really into all the calculations and stuff, i just play my char as i like it to be.
And for now it's doing pretty good. At lvl 80 (9gap) i can hold a glavie and a bow ~ lvl (random players, idk their skills lvl or gear)and i can kill a blader same lvl(if he's not holding me on the ground all the time - then it's just poitnless, he's not killing me, i'm not killing him)....my hybrid is 7:1 s/s nuker, with pretty good gear and i love it.

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

i luv ur name :love:

Bg_DrEaM · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1354 **Location:**

Char ot SRF name? I guess char's

I love it too

But thanks :love:

selenne · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 1176 **Location:**

im pretty sure. if we dont include sun gear in this discussion, hybs hav advantage. since i went hyb, i can tank wizzys of my lvl, and i use prots+5 fully pimped. Imagine if i wear garms.
And, an hyb can handle ice shield, while a pure (str, in this case) would suffer without mp. or am i wrong? all u need is da right balance to ur gaming style and wep.

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

iShadow wrote:

HawaiianMix wrote:

Joymax has created cartoons that clearly state that it is a mistake to NOT go pure. But, I know many of my friends who are hybrid and as long as they are happy with their character is what really matters.

i cant not find what you are referring to. can you please provide a link or tell me what category of cartoon guide is that under?

+1 i want to see these cartoons u are talking about

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

UnbeatableDevil wrote:

iShadow wrote:

HawaiianMix wrote:

Joymax has created cartoons that clearly state that it is a mistake to NOT go pure. But, I know many of my friends who are hybrid and as long as they are happy with their character is what really matters.

i cant not find what you are referring to. can you please provide a link or tell me what category of cartoon guide is that under?

+1 i want to see these cartoons u are talking about

Korean Cartoon, Europe. Warrior went 2:1 Str Hybrid and the Joymax authorities came to delete him.

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

well it is a mistake not to go pure for a euro ~.~'. i thought he meant chinese...

kthnxbai · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

Lol, i just got to say one thing here,

WHY THE F*CK DO CHINESE HAVE IMBUES AND EUROS DONT? FFS COZ THEY ARE MADE TO BE HYBRID!

Even if ur a pure STR If u use an Imbue(mag attack) U HIT MORE THEN NORMAL!!

.

F-22 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:43 pm

another hybrid build thread, i remember back in the day when i was the only few hybrid int on rome server and people were laughing at me call me a noob because i was hybrid. After i pwned them in pvp i like to look at their faces and laugh.

back on topic: Hybrid int does have a advantage over pure int because they have more hp and can tank without snow. Also their weapon skills are higher. I think overall hybrid build are good against any build. But the biggest disadvantage of a hybrid is that to become effecient they must have alot of int and str added to their gears. Since hybrids use both weapon and force(fire,light,ice) they are reqired to have both str and int blues on the gear. comparing to pure str, they need str and still be effecient because they can rely on crit. for pure int, they need int to nuke hard so no need for str unless they want more hp.

JesusLOL · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 245 **Location:** hell

No. A pure int will hit higher with weapon skills, because his mag balance is higher. The point of a hybrid int is to not get 2-3 skilled after snow shield from a glavier. At higher caps a hybrid won't work, because you will have 2 masteries only, so it would be heuskal 150 and light 150, or light 150 and cold 150, but every hybrid sucks without a weapon mastery...

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