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well I'm sorry guys, but for some reason I think Fly was extra patient with you huh??? Me reading posts like Zen's, if I were in Fly's place I would have destroyed BHA in 1 second.. sorry for my words but right now I started totally believing that Fly has been good with you.... I'm someone who loves BHA and always tried to defend it but most of the comments I read here are disgusting... Guess he was right after all... If you can't see it then your blind.. and yeah, I'm talking about Zen's posts here and in the "Is Venus still a legit haven..??"

I know Fly haven't insisted to discuss this point with you bec actually everyone should have understood it from the beginning but let me try with you, bec believe it or not, this is the point that is setting us back with NO solution...

Point is, why are ppl whinning and complaining about Fly being harsh to the bots and asking to be in a neutral zone and play the game as it is???? how would you get a bot free server without being harsh to the bots??? Isn't that wat Avalon did to make the server that good before asking you all to move???? Just discuss it, with no flames... if you ppl give us a reasonable answer then your right.. and trust me, it won't happen...

i agree wit u there. some members of avalon went too far by calling BHA "bot supporters" right after FW. they weren't thinking clearly and accused prematurely without all the facts. the problem now is that the name calling has gone so far that it's blown every small thing into a gigantic mess. people FROM BOTH SIDES took it too seriously and are now too stubborn to recall whatever they said.

however, i agree with fly's statement that on venus, it's bots vs legits. there are only two sides. fly has every right to make that decision for the server, because it was his agenda from the beginning to own FW (in essence, the server) and run the bots out. he did exactly what he promised to do. the problem started when other legits saw venus as a free server for them. they failed to realize that even though fly invited all legits to come to venus, they were expected to continue fly's legacy, or at least play a big part in it. this is where i think fly made a mistake. he should've told the legits from the very beginning that if u'r not part of the solution, u'r part of the problem. many legits didn't get that, and this happened as the result.

i'm sorry to say this about my own union, but BHA does not have the strength and manpower to own FW. BHA doesn't have the military mindset that avalon has. what BHA is doing could be done on any server, and if fly's determined to set the standard on venus, then they should respect that. i don't like the attitude in BHA on FW. many of you have said that FW doesn't matter, and that u'r all here to have fun. well, do it on another server please. venus is bots vs legits, there's no middle ground.

btw, i'm in BHA, not avalon.

1st off I hope this thread gets locked soon!~

Soooo much hate I just dont get it fly/avalon... so sad

Why do you even care any more fly/ upper lvl avalon people you are all leaving soon for your private server.. why dont you support BHA more to take over when you leave?

All this drama over a server you dont even care about anymore.. how much do you even play anymore? It could be so much better but you are ruining it for so many people.. This is a video game... lol this is suppoost to reduce stress...

I will continue to help who I can.. Enjoy the time that I spend with my friends. Hope to see you all in game and chat/talk whatever..

Every server has drama. Venus just has more drama. In another server, if someone decides to KS at a high lvl spawn, no one really cares, since they're afk. Whenever humans come together, theres bound to be some kind of conflict. One of the downsides of having a human server ...

Put aside the bot supporting part now...
Straight to your point... Yes, it's supposed to be legit vs legit and BHA was brought to Venus for competition... but, that should happen after getting rid of all bots and crippling them... read my prev post too...

**** something's wrong with SRF.. I'm getting email notifications to posts that were made before I posted mine... I hope no one missed my 2 prev posts..

Sorry Teddy But im aloud to have my own opinion and express it however i whish,
expecially when x botters from xian are calling my legit freinds, bot supporters, i will question the fck out of any of you

Well, put the bot supporting thing aside for a moment and just lets discuss my point bec I think this is the main point causing trouble... Soo you're saying its your opinion... I do respect that, but tell me, how do you believe that your beliefs are helping the server in a good way??? If you could prove me wrong I'd be glad..

Lol it is ridiculously hard to pop a behemoth run

they could atleast try

Yeah you didn't bring us here. You damn sure didn't bring me here. Im not Avalons dog, im not Avalons soldier, and I'm definitely NOT Avalons target practice. Fly's an egotistic, immature, megalomaniac but i've been saying that on these forums since forever so if you want to just excuse this as another "Xemnas rant on much of a douche Fly is" go ahead but being on Venus has just confirmed everything i've always said and thought about Avalon/TE. You can't fight one extreme with another. You'll just have a war between douchebags and every thing else in between will get f*cked over. No ones wants to come into all this drama. The only thing that will suffer from from this conflict is Venus.

Those things are obvious though and anyone with a brain can see that. Our union tried negotiations, we tried being passive aggressive, we tried compromise but the only thing fly understands is total submission to his rules and ideas. Theres a reason dictatorships never end well its because they end up alienating everyone around to the point where their former supporters even turn against them, their enemies pile up, and they become so paranoid hellbent on maintaining control they make irrational, stupid decisions.

This is easily one of the lamest events i've ever observed. Some guy and his online GF attempting to carve out an empire in a medicore, bot infested, poorly programmed MMO by being douchebags to anyone outside their circle of fellow and like minded online friends. I saw what you guys were doing to the ppl who tried to turn Hera into a Legit server. No wonder it failed, you basically laughed in their face in every thread it was brought up in and told them they would fail. 0 support from you guys and bad mouthing their attempt on the one place where legits gather and take notice. Now you complain that your alone in your fight and no one is picking up the slack and blah blah blah blah. Jeez do you even pay attention to yourselves, like take a step back and look at what you've done and the way you treat ppl. I imagine you do and I imagine you're all very proud of yourselves. "Lol, yeah we showed those legits whose boss" *high fives all around* gimme a break your whole union is full of themselves and Everybody knows it, the bots, the legits, all of them and its finally starting to bite you in the ass.

Rogues deal out some of the highest damage in game and during PvP at the gates they have a nasty habit of stealthing and killing everything in sight until suddenly they find that everytime they stand up everyone is aiming for them. Its because they so busy pissing ppl off they don't realize that they've slowly incurred the wrath of everyone around them no matter who they are until everyone no matter what side they're on just wants to see them dead....



but of course i don't speak for BHA. I speak for myself. So from me, to Avalon...go f*ck yourselves.

Venus

nvm not worth the text

Wow...I'm surprised this drama shit is still going on '~,o

*goes back on break*

the same pervert guy who trolls every single post about Avalon...

Now, I expect someone to discuss with me the point I mentioned earlier... Zen will respond later, he told me so...

omfg I just erased cuz I knew you would say something retarded. lol There is no point T3ddy, Fly is wrong with they way he is choosing his words and his actions.

Well, some days ago I was like you and most of you, thinking he's a bit harsh to BHA but then after seeing all those responses and how most BHA ppl think, I think he was extra patient with you...

Btw, you deleted it but I quoted you lol.. 1-0

Hera failed because they wanted to have fun and grind and not care about the bots. Not because people cheered them on or said they'd fail. It's your own fault if you get into the mind set of someones words. Plus wouldn't a strong person say "No! fck you I won't fail" rise up, take charge to try and prove something? Instead of taking the acceptance stance say "oh well it's just a game I'll just have fun", then get shit on everywhere they go in game....

Xian, we're just here to have fun. Hera, we're just here to have fun.

Trying to fight for something that's the exact opposite of the current game state in 30 other servers, we're just here to have fun will make it the 31st. Chilling and letting people play how they want to play you might as well all go download a bot right then and there with that kind of talk. (IDK if that was said here but I've read/heard it so much over time)

It has not worked for other servers why would it work now.......
All this forum stuff is becoming stupid though.

I agree completely with Corrupt. It also contains the message I tried to give across earlier in this thread.

The littlest things, are signs of acceptance. The bots are picking up signal that they are accepted on the server. That is why you have to be rigid in your stance. Because the more you sway, the more they regather the pieces and then they'll just stand back up.

Maybe if you thought about what you WANTED from Venus, what you're doing to achieve it, and how your actions are affecting everything else, MAYBE THEN you can stand up and state why you think _____ approach is better then _____ approach.

I played on the server for the first 4 months. I saw the build up of the bot psyche, I saw its downfall. I saw their attempts to pick up the pieces once it was smashed. You want to know what smashed it? The hammer of the legits. Once you replace that hammer with a rubber mallet, you prevent yourself from smashing that wall.

Same to wot Corrupt and Necrobat said... thats my point.. Seeing lots of ppl in BHA agreeing that the Avalon ways to fight bots are harsh is just lame... I don't expect anyone to come and prove me wrong but the point is you don't wanna see it or can't see it... I'm not accusing all of BHA, I know some of the Avalon ppl have been slacking too... but I guess this is the general policy of BHA... thats exactly wot SG said on the Senate forum, and thats the main problem Avalon and BHA have...

Now think about it, do you want to have fun in Venus??? Do you want it a bot free server??? then you should join the fight... you won't achieve your dreams without doing the hard work... After the bots are gone, I guess the legits will have the fun they're asking for.. Correct me if I'm wrong..

I think I still see some people thinking that BHA is in some way against being mean to bots. This is bullshit. BHA is a goddamn legit union. NO ONE HAS ASKED FOR A PEACE WITH BOTS. BHA has not asked to be in the "neutral zone". BHA is not in the "neutral zone". BHA is in the "anti-bot zone", regardless of what some people believe.

go to the Senate forum and read wot SuicideGirl said...

me me me me me me! I want, I want!

I didn't see SG saying anything about a peace with bots. Please tell me where that part is. If you dont find it, maybe it's better you just shut up okay?


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The general policy of BHA? BHA whining about Avalon's methods against botters? Please stop talking bullshit. Join the fight? What have we been doing then? I've been killing bot plevelees, I've seen other BHA members killing bot plevelees. Low levels too. Avalonians? Yeah I've seen some of the "core" people there killing bot plevelees/plevelers. Lower level avalonians? Hell no, they've been only getting plevel there.

T3ddy, you're full of shit and so are your leaders. The reason Fly hasn't posted here is because you can't beat Logic and Reason with aggression. Your brutes. "I would have destroyed BHA", because destruction is the only way to solve an issue? BHA does not support bots and in none of SG's post could this have been inferred. Your leader refuses to reconcile his actions, especially now that he realizes that he messed up. So no T3ddy, words can be easily twisted and that is exactly what you're doing. You are seeing the lies Fly wants you to see. We are calling Fly out: What he wants is submission, not cooperation.



How much of your bloody Union participates in the war on bots, T3ddy?

barotix, they took FW and kept it, that's as big as it gets.

You still seem to fail to get the big picture T3DDY and you other avalonians with dreams of a bot free server. Venus will never be a bot free server. Never. We all know this. People play this game to have fun T3DDY. Not to come and banish the bots to the blackest depths of hell. The way your leader runs things is that he is right and everyone else is wrong. If we all as a server dont so exactly like he says, we are bot supporters(the server population I mean). Well I say fck you to that. You can take your militaristic ideals of a bot free server and shove them up your ass. Ya, Im saying it again, its a game, have fun, and play it. Fight the bots, kill the bots, blah blah blah. ( remember kiddies, say that with your mad face)

damn death, you never shut up???? Should I buy you the sex slave or wat??? I thought you could find them easily... btw, for God's and humanity's and wotever's sake, get out of here!!!! You're not helping in any way with your posts...

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Okay, thats wot SG exactly said... I quoted him from the Senate forum... and btw, just in case I'm wrong with my info, I'm not speaking here for Fly or anyone.. It's just my opinion that I build through the past weeks.. now I see that BHA are divided, whether you should fight in a harsh way or not... that was from my observations..

and Barotix, I haven't gone flamming anyone except for that pervert... so I don't expect to be insulted especially from a mod..

I didn't insult you. I called you out on your lies based off half-assed inferences. You cannot take the statements or actions of a single person and generalize for the whole. That is what Fly did, that is why the alliance failed, and that is what you're doing now. Realize when you're wrong and back down. Fly could've approached this in a much more responsible way, might is not always right; Especially when dealing with comrades.

T3ddy have you even read that text you quoted? Does it say BHA loves bots and makes peace with them? Seriously, when you clearly fail to understand that short text... You'd really better just to shut up. I haven't seen a single intelligent post from you.