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Hmm , so .. i was walking home from mac' today , and i passed by our local net cafe ( alot people play sro there ) so , there was loza , some person from red sea who was so silent before he find the sun lvl 76 sword now he sounds like the most pro ever , so .. i was tellin my friend i delvled Light for bicheon , so he laughted and said u delvled light ? u are so stupid , he got a high pitch so i wasnt able to argue with him about his points , but i want to show u guys why Fire is better than Lightning .

P.S : My build is 90 fire/bicheon/cold and 30 lightning .

Lets talk about the Cons first of losing Light .
1. Losing Parry ratio from passive and concentration , but i think on adding 40% parry ratio to each piece of ur gear u will get that much , and the pros u get is much better .
2. light nukes are good , specially in training , they r just large ranged , but in the end fire nukes are better .
3. Grass walk , oh well @.@ , and phatom walk is sometimes useful against euro , but u have a low % grass walk anyway , or u can just use drugs xD .


- Pros :

1. u may say Lightning embue cauze electric shock , and thus decrease parry ratio , thats why having fire helps , if u have ur accessory with shock resistance and fire shield king ur immune to it , and ur immune to alot of states , which is pretty helpful if ur vsing someone with light , and u get high dmg and burn which other players without fire wont be immune to .
2. At level 90 , Piercing force gives u 18%? ( i think ) magical damage increase , while at level 30 u get 10% , so u r down 8 %? fire embue + fire nukes give u pretty much more damage , i see with myself when i compare my nuke damage to another lightning nuker .
3. using weapon skills , u have Flame body , and the passive which is great add on to ur physical attack power , Draska in our server ( no sun , just +7 s/s ) does KLAIN ( hybrid spear prrety strong too ^^ ) like 8k while klain have his mana shield on with the demon blade force knock down , isnt that pretty much ? so it boosts up ur physical attack ( he kills klain tho klain have sun +7 spear , fire defence ftw =P ).
4. u have fire and cold defence buffs , so ur more able to defend urself when it comes to other ints .
5. Fire wall is useful when u need to b*tch with some euro wizards who have life turnover.
6. stealth and invisible detection , if urnt gonna buy detection pots xD


at least thats from my point of view ^^ wat do u guys think ?.

Best S/S Nuker -- 90 Cold/Light/Bicheon 30 Heuk

*My Opinion*

This is because fire might give you buffs but it is slow campared to Light and light nuke is only a BIT weaker. Also light gives buffs also plus it has a finisher. Cold = Snow Sheild

30 heuk only for passive??

NO sense

rather take 30 fire for imuum

Opps, sorry, your right. Or 30 Froce?

if its not my build i would take 30 paechon for attack rate increase of 30 fire for some extra immune , force is kinda useless so is huskal .

Fire 30 gives u only a little immune.. Pacheon with its att rating increase is way more useful, especially for a pure int cuz of the high dmg

mmm, What u mean by little..?

on all Accessory 20% ice, should be good tough

not enough for 100% emmune .


Fire aint slow , the lightning nuke and fire nuke have almost same cast time , and u will use weapon , so cast time aint that immportant , actually just hell fire and flame wave wide are 2 killers , and so , lightning pros are down , and u can see how much more pros fire got .

Fire is good just I think the best build out there doesn't need it, Light FTW.

Fire Shield to lvl 28 gives... 38% reduce.
That is more than enough for total immunity.
20+20+20+20 is the total you can get, that is 80%
So you only need Fire shield to lvl 11 for it to be possible to be immune.

One of my friends is nuker with 30 Fire and he's immune.

light= 67 more parry at lvl 90 (ok.. so u add 40% blues so what u can have 40% blues with 67 parry)

light= 8%more mag when at 90(from 30) gives u 8% more dmg when using nukes... which means its better than fight

light= speed... no speed ur nothing/phatom aswell

light= u got 2 nukes u can use side to side..

fire.. u lose phy attack.. so what u do more mag attacks..

fire.. u lose mag defs.. so what ur an int char u got enuff

fire.. u can still be immune to ppl at lvl 30masterys

ok... light is better than fire for nukers

er, sry but u are playing or babysitting ? i mean u use it all the time nonestop, what u talk about pls, "sometimes usefulL" what u talk about ? u grind or whot?

lmfao your so wrong. 67 more parry at 90... With light 30 you have 40 parry.. so your missing out on wut? 27... ok not much... I have 381 parry ratio and i hve 30% on all my gear blue stat... so if I had 40% id tip 400 parry. That 8% is overall magical damage. 8% isnt even alot... You nuke 1000. With 8% you nuke 1080. OMG THAT IS SO MUCH DIFFERENCE .... wait.. nevermind no its not. Fire has the strongest nukes, AND strongest imbue making it better in a fight. Your nothing without speed? Tell me where speed is good in pvp? You run away cuz your a pussy? No... buy a 100% speed drug for pvp / job / FW and use speed buff during training so you keep your gold. Light 2 nukes side to side? I don't exactly understand your english so I will attempt to counter it. You have flame wave wide that splashes, and flame wave hellfire that penetrates... You can splash and do monster dmg still, penetrate does hell of good dmg too. I can kill ppl with just a penetrate like euros ect. And if you know how to use ur nukes you dont have cool down times and can always have a nuke ready for usage . And no... have you EVER seen a pure int / hybrid pvp? They do PHYS attacks.. Nukes are when the oppenant has status's or stuns to finish enemys off. Majority of pvps: Physical attacks, mag to finish off.. so yah.. Fire users have 18% phys dmg increase, just like magical have 18% . In my opinion... ints biggest enemys are OTHER ints. After a 2minute pot fight between snow shields, nukes do the most damage and with low HP? a nuke can kill you fast. I have fought many light users and im not bragging or making shit up... i dominated them. I have a 40% snow shield and them with 53% and I nuked MORE on them then they did me... Id nuke 5-6k and theyd nuke 3-4 lol.. The extra 200 mag defence? Worth it. With lvl 30 light you can get 40 parry and 8% mag increase. I think thats pretty good. Why 30 fire? all you get is immunity. Why not get 30 light, have 40 parry, 8% mag. Have 90 fire, have 171 mag def inc, 18% phy dmg increase, strongest nukes, strongest imbue, immunity, combustions to view stealth enemies if u run out of pills + dont pk2, fire walls to kill annoying warriors who KD / KB.

What do you think? Youd rather have a weaker nuke, weaker imbue, 10% more mag increase, speed that you can buy from an NPC, or would you rather have the best nukes, imbue, and STILL have an assload of parry and an assload of buffs.... You pickk.

@HolyPure. I have 19 meters of phantom and I don't use it when I train... I just run to mobs... If you think some1s botting cuz how they train, then you sir, are an idiot.

to bad u dont nuke 1000, its like saying i nuke u for 10dmg.. omg thats 0.80 dmg more!!.. u nuke about 18k on rockys.. that 1440 more dmg..

what i mean by using 2 nukes side by side.. is.. u nuke, nuke again and the other nuke is ready to use again

about the parry.. ok im wrong on that but 27 is still a lot, if u dont think 27 parry is a lot then u dont know what parry does.

speed u want to be slow at grinding? and maybe people dont have the gold to spend on 100% speed scrolls... FW=2hours..that 4 drugs.. pvp=who knows could be a few hours... job= same as pvp

I'm giving an example about the nukes lmfao...If you want a pure training build sure do light / fire / ice 90 heuksal or bich 30.. But Im talking about the best PVP build. You do MORE phys attacks in pvp... its proven.. watch any pvp video and you will realize this. You definitely want increase on w/e u use the most. You are pure int you already have a good mag attack. You will want to add to the opposite so you can make it awesome also. And for the 2 nukes side by side... Read what I said. Fire has 3... count it... one, two THREE nukes. I do obviously know what parry does... lmfao..... But picking PARRY? over DAMAGE? Spending a few extra mill for 40% parry blue, and 41%+ parry WHITES on your gear? You cant buy damage, unless of course you buy damage scrolls in item mall. But even so, you can get PARRY scrolls or TRIGGER scrolls from the even for FREE. Imagine that, 30% MORE parry for FREE! I have 380 parry you have 407? Whoopty do my damage > urs so I will take you out even with your 27 parry. And according to your sig, you have 3.6bil gold. 200k for a speed drug lol.. You can get 50% speed scrolls from event, or have a bard buff you with speed if your in party w/ a bard. And PVP? You do NOT need speed in pvp........ You stand. You attack. You kill or be killed. Also, I have never jobbed OR pvp'd for multiple hours but thats just me. i think i pvp an hour straight and thats the most. My trade runs take only 30 minutes so yah for that

not quite, my preferance is 60light/cold 90 fire/bicheon

i dont use it , i delvled it , so for me its somtimes , please dont use this stupid attitude.


mmm , am sorry but when i had 2 gap at lvl 90 i used to do like 20~22k dmg on rockies ? i dont have that much int on my set .. and just using a +5 , i know a pure int spear with lightning who dont do that much ^.~ , and i know a fire s/s int with +7 sword and full int on gears who does 25~30k on em , lighting fail >.>

and of course 27 r helpful , but u need to give up something , at least to get something better

and am really okay with my low % speed to use it wherever , and in important events like fortress or so , just use drugs .

With the parry ratio, u could get blues on ur gear, but its a % no? which logicly means, I may be wrong about this, that it increase ur parry by a % of the orginial amount, say w/o light u have parry 10 and u have a 10% increase, u have parry 11, say with light u have parry 20 and u have a 10% increase, u have parry 22, mabye im wrong about this but if they do indeed stack then light would have considerable benifits with regard to parry ratio then fire.

How about...............................


90 fire
90 bicheon
60 cold
60 lighting

60 cold with 84 psy deffence incl passive, 40% snow
60 light 59% speed, 19m phantom, 15% mag increase, 54 parry..

I do not understand why you think the physical increase from fire is so great for s/s.

You are a pure int char. Your damage comes from magic not physical.

You say you only lose 8% magic damage but recieve 9% physical increase from fire. Ok thats all good but to calculate damage it is all multiplied out.

For starters the physical increase works off the physical damage of your weapon which you should know is very low on a sword but the magical damage on a sword is very high.

Whereas if you had that extra 8% increase from magic it will still be used when you do melee attacks by increasing the damage of your imbue.

I don't agree with your reasoning...

Fire is for Strength
Light is for INT

It's that simple really.

Piercing Force and Flame Body are great examples of this.

lmfao. Fire is better for ints. Better imbue and better nukes.. And its 18% physical, not 9%, kthx. Give me 3 GOOD reasons that light is better. Please do... The only 1 Im coming up with is increased magical damage. BUT listen to this kids, FIRE nukes are STILL stronger even when light is at 30. omg wut did u say? Yah.. Light nukes are STILL weaker then fire nukes, even if you have an 18% increase. So I take that back... I have 0 reasons to pick light. Also @ the person talking about parry, the parry buffs are increased by a number depending on the level of the buff, not an overall percentage. And like I said... spend a few mil or break apart drops... fix your WHITE stats.... Not THAT hard... I have more parry then most ints with lightening because of my white stats.. I have a friend w/ 30 light who has 420 parry cuz all his white %'s are 61% and everything is 40% blue increase... sooo PLEASE tell me wtf lightening is good for? You guys have obviously never seen a fire nuker pvp'n a light nuker. I rock light users with a +0 spear lmfao. The evidence is out there and you guys are just not reading lmfao

So, I take it you plan to quit or completely rearrange your masteries when the 100 cap comes?

Can u please start using textblocks already? i've read every post in this topic except all yours.
And on-topic: Light FTW

mag on sword is the 2nd lowest of all weapons, only blade is lower, and at 10k nuke the extra 8% is only 800 more damage

Probably because either A. you can't handle that fire is better statistically wise or B. you faild Farking english. Learn 2 read... Just because it looks big doesn't mean you cant do it

*apologies for the double post*
What will I need to rearrange? 100 ice, 100 fire, 100 heuksal. Possibly 80 ice / 20 light. Not sure of it now but I will know in a year if I still play this game LoL~

can u guys stop saying that just like that ? i want explanation why u think it would be better than fire .

There is no explanations for their actions.. Just mild retardation I suppose. They have no evidence no proofs no facts.. So yah. Fire IS better, I don't get why every1 thinks light is... Light is fail. Light is 80 cap. This is 90 cap. Get w/ the times

Ok, let's have a look at the numbers then:
fire imbue lvl 89: 658~1097 + burn
flame wave wide lvl 90: 1060~1766
flame wave bomb lvl 90: 1060~1766

lightning imbue lvl 89: 522~970 + shock
piercing force lvl 28: 7%
piercing force lvl 88: 18%
horse's thunderbolt lvl 86: 876~1627
crane's thunderbolt lvl 90: 989~1837

The % behind the nukes appear to have as much relevance to damage multiplier as to execution time, so I'll ignore them for this example. Damage/second should not be influenced much by it. I'll also assume the damage from burn is about equal to the shock effect.

Damage of 2 fire nukes = (658~1097+1060~1766)*2*107%=3677~6127=4902 on average
Damage of 2 lightning nukes = ((522~970+876~1627)+(522~970+989~1837))*118%=3433~6377=4905 on average
Note that both numbers are without nuke multipliers.

If you leave lightning at 30, then it comes out slightly weaker than the lightning 90 option. I've noticed though that things rapidly change if you're willing to drop a bit of cold in return for a bit more lightning. It seems that fire 90/bicheon 90/lightning 60/cold60 might be a pretty strong build actually. The problem is of course: what to do with the future caps. If you're planning to quit when the 100 cap arrives, then going fire may not be a bad bet. Otherwise you've got some deleveling to do...