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i like islam cuz they added the four minarets onto the hagia sophia. great piece of architecture, good thing they kept it =]

Diss the cross and i'll stick god damn curry up your arse.

Jealous of Dubai? Hating on Dubai? Jealous of people running around with tea-towels on their heads?

Seriously man, As I stated before, No one said USA didn't have slaves, it was only when someone said that Dubai had no slaves that I though, 'No that's BS' and I had more than enough evidence that they are treated like slaves, for no pay. People tried proving me wrong by posting shit that doesn't change my opinion on things - not a lot of peoples opinions on things, nor the truth on things!

Shinkuu Bukkakesenpuukyaku!!!

...ka me ha ME HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Well this basically sums it up.

The UAE is booming like crazy. They're getting so much $$ from oil, and once they run out they're still gonna be sitting pretty due to their lavish hotels, resorts, theme parks, attractions, whatever. The Sheikh doesn't care what he spends his money on, oil reserves will last for as long as he lives, and for as long as whoever is after him lives so he can do whatever the hell he wants cuz money isn't a factor. All in all the UAE is fcking pretty, but there's a serious problem there.

the UAE has labor camps way out in the desert where thousands of workers are mistreated, packed into rooms, eat once a day (a cup of food lol), work for over half a day, work in the hot arabian sun, and arent allowed to leave the camps. Sure they get payed sometimes, but other times they don't for months. Either way, when they do get payed a single dirham is 12 rupees (bunch of indian workers), so its good for them and their families back gome, but as soon as they feel that savory sweetness they stop getting payed again for a couple months. They can't leave cuz they are withheld due to illegal recruiting debts, and their passports are taken. Indentured Servants turned slaves (when not payed) and back and forth, whatever is going on there shouldn't be allowed.

Overall the people of the UAE are some of the most well off people in the world, their country is turning out gorgeous, and they're just getting richer and richer and will probably have the best looking landmarks in the world within the next hundred years. I would have more respect for them if they treated the workers as regular people though, let them live with the rest of the arabs and give them money for their work, at least allow them to leave the country if they wanted and stop tricking them into some of the worst working and living conditions on the earth today. I'm sure there are some bad working conditions out there but none are as 'in your face' as the one in the UAE, where the people bask in glory due to their bottomless pit of money disregarding who is actually building all of that shit in the first place.

either way, no one cares for the UAE as a vacation hotspot yet mainly due to their advertising, everything seems overpriced for us people outside of that country cuz all they advertise is hotel rooms that are a million dollars a night and islands that 99.9% of the world dont care about cuz we dont wanna spend $25 million on a house we'd almost never visit.
If we wanted an indoor ski slope, why not just go to a real mountain, etc. there's more to a vacation than the room you'll be staying in every night just to sleep. Congrats to them for what they have though.

I hate Islam architecture. I think Hindu and Buddhism are much better. I even like Christian architecture better.

Oil.


God I am Envious. =(

Uncalled for, don't sink to his level. If your hating on him for hating on you, that makes you no better than him.

Oh? I didn't think you'd like a taste of own medicine now. Not that it surprised me, I completely expected it.

Do you know how stupid, ignorant and retarded that makes you look? It's their culture and tradition plus it protects from the massive amount of heat in the middle east, tell your parents they should have done a better job teaching you how to appreciate different cultures, races and religions



Really?

For me it's really hard to appreciate other cultures. It's not what they are doing in their own country, but what they are doing in the country I live (Same as yours, I think). I am not really
talking about Muslim but well I won't say what people. I get sick of their bullshit and how they get treated so great and get so much more just because they are minority's. All they do is bitch and cry about how something is part of their religion, or culture. If they wanted to live in a Farking country that allowed all the stuff in their religion then stay in the Farking country. Don't go to another place that has a whole different culture, and is built upon another Religions fundamental and bitch because it doesn't cater towards their culture/Religion. This country is getting worse and worse.

I don't know how people say diversity can destroy a country.

I live in Canada, its really diverse and multi-cultural, lol you can say the Canadians are the minority in their own country that's why I understand where your coming from, but still diversity is great. You should goto a multi-cultural festival its really great, I remember going to a Jamaican cultural festival a little while, although I was one of the few tanned people there, I had a gggreaattt time

You guys need to take a chill pill:



No need to thank me.

How can I respect their beliefs when they don't respect women for one!

Personally, I don't give a flying **** about what people think of me, I speak my mind and if that results in my being banned from here, or people hating me, So be it? I've said what I wanted so say.

There's countries far greater than UAE, so why rave on about it? It's so man made it's not even funny! Palm Island - man made, nothing to appreciate except hard work put in by imported slaves. The stupid islands that look like the world, honestly it looks like crap, and if people want to live on that little island, then there's something seriously wrong with them. Would be interesting to see how Dubai / UAE does when oil reserves run dry. They'll be hitting the ground harder than a watermelon dropped from 100 feet.

I am not talking about the festivals and stuff they are really great. I am talking about the Sikh's and how they cry about every single law in this country that doesn't cater to them and their Religion. How they are allowed to bring Kirpan's in to publics schools, how they cry when Sikh police officers got in trouble for wearing a Turban. If they know that the Turban is not part of the damn Police uniform and is not allowed, then don't go crying about it when they come and tell you that you can't wear it. There is so much more stuff.

On your last comment:



@ Snoopy

Honestly, I don't get you.

At first I think okay this guy seems like he's just looking after human rights, just trying to make the world a better place, nothing wrong with that, that's great really.

But then it shows that you have no respect of these races, cultures or religions. Do you really think a whole religion, culture or race would support this? Absolutely not, these people have morals too. And your bashing the Muslim religion like crazy, well do you know the majority of these "slaves" as you call the ARE Muslim?

So then its clear that you don't give a shit about these people because they are Muslim and your using the fact that these people are being treated like slaves as an excuse to degrade this country's morale.

To sum all this up.

You are a racist, who is using something that you are against (in this case human rights) to bash on Dubai.

Do you know what that makes you?

A hypocrite.

um..im not snoopy...

Yes, I know I was referring snoopy to your quote.

But to that small % of people, Damn them.

lol, MrFudge isn't me, So don't quote MrFudge and say I wrote it, cause I didn't. Thus I'm not a hypocrite.

I'm a person who believes in the right to be equal, I'm also Atheist and don't believe in religion, of course I'm going to slag people, and Muslims aren't the only religion I slag. I don't hate people from Dubai, I just think there's better places than Dubai and Dubai is only rich because of the people getting paid small amounts of money to do jobs worth far greater than what they're being paid. My comment about the tea-towel heads, yeah it was un-necessary, also the comment about the cross, I don't believe in religions and don't REALLY care about the cross, I just wanted to re-spice this topic back up. You may call me an asshole all you like.

There's many things that could be pointed out as wrong with the Muslim religion, but they don't see it as being wrong, because they're born into that religion, it's almost like they're brainwashed into believing it's correct, which to them it is. Other religions killed people too. It's not just Muslims, however Islam is religion the religion associated with the middle east, that being the topic at hand.

Islam also means 'surrender' to god, or 'submission to the god'

I'm not even gonna read what you said after that because I was taking about you, and you understood wrong.

And you misjudged my intentions and again jumped to conclusions. I quoted Mr.Fudge to refer to your last comment, about the watermelon, you said it, and now your denying that your a hypocrite.

No surprise, I've never seen a hypocrite accept the fact that he/her is hypocrite.

Edit: Since I'm not a complete asshole, I decided to read what you said after.

When you put things like that, I don't find anything wrong, its your opinion and I have no right to object it.

But when you attack others belief's people get offended, so a lot of the things said before were uncalled for. Just put the whole argument aside, im really sick of it already.

i just dont like how every god is basically

born on dec 25
born of a virgin
star on the east signaling coming
12 disciples
performs miracles
dies
3 days >>>>> ressurection
usually sunday worship

whether it be Attis, Urus, Beddru, Krishna, Cadmus, Indra, Dionysus, Mithra, Odin, Persia, Jao, Prometheus, Jesus, etc ..all the same :S
allah unincluded because he wasnt born or walked the earth.

lol tbh, I'm sick of reading this topic.

Anyways, Yeah I'm a firm believer, however I don't think I'm a hypocrite not a racist. Though you may judge me according to your opinions and beliefs, but that too is how I judge religions and other people. Peace out Dubai topic.

I'm going to double post here because just in case you type a message and you wouldn't see what I would say I edit.

Edit: Didn't turn out to be a double post.

That is true, Islam means "submission to god" but not in a bad way, its like obedience to god.

One thing you have to know ISLAM, is that the cherish peace, harmony, prosperity, and equality.

It is a sin to commit harm to yourself because you are a creation of god, your life was given to you by god and you have no right to harm gods creations. (suicide bombers aren't true muslims"

It's a sin to commit harm to others, physically or mentally. Same idea as above.

It's a sin to harm to cause the environment. (of course pollution, and that stuff relating to the economy and prosperity cannot be avoided)

They mean no harm, and all good. You know on their annual celebration called "Eid" they celebrate having a big feast mostly meat (usually sheep, cows, or goat), they give the animals a sugar cube to make sure they die happy, and they hide the blade so they're not scared before they kill them, do you think a person like that would promote war? I really don't think so, I think they're really good people with good intentions.

But their reputation is ruined because of these "islamic extremist" WHICH BREAK ALMOST EVERY RULE in Islam they're not Muslims they are a disgrace to all Muslims and Arabs around the world, which surely would have a much better life without them.

I really think they've caused more harm to their own people then to who they're against. It's a real shame to think what could be of the Middle East right now.



Anyways its 4:35am, im off to bed.

Well, I guess a lot of the NEWS here is religious propaganda. Cause we're told that muslims extremists blow things up. i.e. themselves. Anyways. I'm off to eat.

this is why its so difficult to talk with religious people. When its obvious that religion is a problem for a number of things in the world, some just flat out refuse to believe it, simply because they believe in the religion. In islam`s case, criticizing Allah or the koran is considered blasphemy. So if there is a problem (such as not letting women vote), no one can change it or try to change it because you`ll be kicked out of the community.

And finally, your just glorifying the good part of islam. If islam was solely what you described, then why isnt the middle east prospering? There is a dark side to religion, and islam is no different. Theres principles in it that prevent the middle east from going forward.

And so when people point out problems and criticize the islamic leaders for not being progressive and not improving the economy, you guys simply play the victim and accuse others that they are selfish, racist, atheist, or idiotic.

And when I mention "islamic leaders", im talking about the governments of saudi arabia or iran, not osama bin laden. A lot of muslims dont even consider bin laden a real muslim because hes extreme. clear?

And snoopy, shut up before you get banned

I'm not going to kill myself should I get banned.

These are the same people who honor kill. Extremist or not the way they treat woman really is sick and saddening.

that's teh truth. islam architecture isn't in my taste. i liked the old roman basilicas much better. however, the islamic minarets do give the hagia sophia an endearing quality =] me likey.

neway, give islam another 300 to 400 years, they'll come around, just like christianity did

Uh, didn't you lose all credibility in this discussion? Shoo. Still talking about religious history?

@J, did you just skim over my post? Why are you still in this discussion?

Old Islam VS Islam after 1950.
Old Islam: Scientific advancement was a central part of Islam. Science was a way of getting closer to their God. No real rules. It was more of a go with the flow system. The only thing that was really universal was prayer.

Islam after 1950s revolution&Wars:
Two different forms of Islam rose from the chaos that was the 20th century.
1]The first one rejected any science that contradicted the Koran and basically become organized and dogmatic. The original one accepted it (science) with open hands and simply interpreted the Koran to fit the new discoveries and rejected organized religion. The majority.

2]The second one: This one is the one people see on the news all the time. The minority. Other Muslims don't consider these guys Muslims, but hey. Who am I to decide who a real Muslim/Christian/Buddhist/Jew, etc is. These guys are the Minority. They hate the west and rightfully so, 3rd party Western Super Powers had a hand in what we call the Middle East today.

Now, if you don't know your history. Don't bother arguing with me.

burn barotix, he's a witch!