Are glaivers going to continue to domiante?

piXie_niXie · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 666 **Location:**

where is this "glaviers dominated" thing that you saw at 80cap

pretty sure it was nukers that dominated

englishganxta · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 232 **Location:**

Nukers are not that difficult at all 90 cap if you know how to play..

englishganxta · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 232 **Location:**

sparta_sword wrote:

BaronSengir wrote:

more than half the people here are bullshtting and to the guy who has a hybrid s/s and never lost to a capped glaiver ROFL you must be freakin kidding me thats a load of crap

your showing your ignorance then, I've pvpd plenty of glaviers force glavier, fire glavier, fire with ice, +7's they all end up dieing the same way, their damage is fricking crap

EDIT:

their damage aint necessarily crap it's that their attacks are so freaking slow

ill pvp you mate ..

Saberdude · **Posted:** Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:45 am

_Creep_ wrote:

ahmedsabry wrote:

kthnxbai wrote:

bullshit :p glaviers dont pwn, they never did

+1
pwning is a rogues job

Simple as that

If you get detected while in dd ur pretty much screwed

IC3 · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 174 **Location:** here

Nitro wrote:

^I agree,Every full Int without snow shield (or any defensive buffs) dies in 1 hit of NON-Critting Daredevil.

apart from s/s....

BR19 shields help... ive fully blocked a DD and i tend to block alot, its only the crits when i fight 2h i really worry about/ and full int without snow? xD made me laugh

magisuns · **Posted:** Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:20 am

YoMama wrote:

LMFAO .. im GOING to be 90 light fire glavie.. 20 ice and 10 bow..
im also pro.. i got me a nice +7 glavie.. +4\5 85-88 set ( ready for me) .. just to say i can kill 2H.. if they are warlock.. ptsh no point of pvping them.. i cant even leave a scratch on them. i can kill bows EASLY seriously bows can what? crt .. -.- big woop.. i can survive 4 crts IN A ROW from a bow.. that has a +7 they have nice crts but they are slow by the time they executed there next skill i already potted up by then .. bladers sorry to say they are weak.. you may see then do a nice 10k crt but.. GLAVIES HAVE 30K HP >_> without spec items n suits. the only real challenge is int's i gotta say from 80cap ( 69 skills ) they stepped up by a crap load.. now they are the ones doing 20k+ nukes.. that really hurts xD

guess i have been watching the wrong glaviers :roll:

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

ahmedsabry wrote:

pwning is a rogues job

Simple as that

Saberdude wrote:

If you get detected while in dd ur pretty much screwed

i suppose u never played a rogue b4?
u get detected in dd-->switch to shield and cleric/warlock rod or to 2H sword if ur full melee --> use bless if cleric, stun+debuff if warlock , skin if warrior -->switch back to daggers when appropriate..
u also have xbows to use if u dont want to get detected.. just stay stealthed and keep range, u'll always be out of the range of detection pills and/or detection spells

justme08 · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 109 **Location:**

Voluptas wrote:

Built properly, i would say Bow was the most dominant STR based chinese build (too specific?).
Overall, 2H warrior / Cleric i think is best.

There is no "best" build...Every build can beat another...It depends ONLY on your playing style, and the gears.

I_R_Powerpuff · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 1158 **Location:** IRL

justme08 wrote:

Voluptas wrote:

Built properly, i would say Bow was the most dominant STR based chinese build (too specific?).
Overall, 2H warrior / Cleric i think is best.

There is no "best" build...Every build can beat another...It depends ONLY on your playing style, and the gears.

I doubt STR Nuker will be so good, even tho you have a great playing style =/

frankaslt1 · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 421 **Location:** leit

Iam a warrior lvl 90 myself, and i can tell u that every china build can kill warrior/ no matter what sub, if they have pvp skills, but 99% of ppl have no idea how to pvp vs euros they jsut spam 1,2,3,1,2,3...

And these ppl who say that bladers and s/s nukers can kill easy glaviers with bleed/division, then all glaviers in ur server are noobs, cuz every pro player will use pills for all these divisions shit.

bomben · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 117 **Location:**

im glavier and on my server the only guy that can beat me is a blader with +5/+6 garm set and +7 b/s

ints get tanked easy with pills, snow and firewall

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

IC3 wrote:

Nitro wrote:

^I agree,Every full Int without snow shield (or any defensive buffs) dies in 1 hit of NON-Critting Daredevil.

apart from s/s....

BR19 shields help... ive fully blocked a DD and i tend to block alot, its only the crits when i fight 2h i really worry about/ and full int without snow? xD made me laugh

What is the problem? Lol Ice I can tank out your 2 minutes without problem ... your snow goes down (You use the 15 sec deffensive buff) I tank out that too , and I do 1 Daredevil , and you are dead... I've seen shitloads of PvP-s that ended like that.

tuinman159 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 250 **Location:**

the only thing i've seen glavies do is lose
it's like the most gay build
cap 90 didn't help glavies at all, it just made them weaker

Pham · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 541 **Location:**

there is really no best build, but the build with the most strongest ppl at 90 cap is bladers, they are almost impossible to kill. the one that are lvl 90 with fully farm and full blue gears. But anywyys,, in the end it depends on gears.

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

Nitro wrote:

IC3 wrote:

Nitro wrote:

^I agree,Every full Int without snow shield (or any defensive buffs) dies in 1 hit of NON-Critting Daredevil.

apart from s/s....

BR19 shields help... ive fully blocked a DD and i tend to block alot, its only the crits when i fight 2h i really worry about/ and full int without snow? xD made me laugh

What is the problem? Lol Ice I can tank out your 2 minutes without problem ... your snow goes down (You use the 15 sec deffensive buff) I tank out that too , and I do 1 Daredevil , and you are dead... I've seen shitloads of PvP-s that ended like that.

exactly

Be_Brave · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 31 **Location:**

lmfao @ people saying ''not when you know how to play it...''

1v1 cape doesnt need alot of skills from the player, going defensive/offensive isnt hard at all, skills are required in team fight and im not talking about those euro turtle team that buff each others, i mean when everyone know what's his job and who they should target and what his other teammate will do and what the other group will do.

5 chinese phantoming on a lone backline guy at the exact same time is what i call skill and nice group fight.

so wich one shine the most? depend of the gear and situation.

armor warrior pwn glaiver... since glaiver are in garm most of the time they arent advantaged at all...

int chinese are advantaged against armor warrior though, even more if they wear armor themself since high cold + armor + snow shield

warrior/cleric are imo overpowered since they have way too much buff that turn them unkillable and allow them to keep their attack power.

but joymax isn't know to balance pvp...

wtb izzy

AkillerNXC · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1014 **Location:**

I'm lol'ing at the people saying "only <insert build> can beat me" or "Only one person can beat me", etc. Thats a bunch of bullshit. Exageration ftl.

Quote:

warrior/cleric are imo overpowered since they have way too much buff that turn them unkillable and allow them to keep their attack power.

There's no such thing as an overpowered build. Every build can be killed, every build CAN kill. (Except for the bs "int rogues" "str wiz" crap but thats not a real build).

Be_Brave · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 31 **Location:**

AkillerNXC wrote:

I'm lol'ing at the people saying "only <insert build> can beat me" or "Only one person can beat me", etc. Thats a bunch of bullshit. Exageration ftl.

Quote:

warrior/cleric are imo overpowered since they have way too much buff that turn them unkillable and allow them to keep their attack power.

There's no such thing as an overpowered build. Every build can be killed, every build CAN kill. (Except for the bs "int rogues" "str wiz" crap but thats not a real build).

Yeah cause hitting 10k 3 time with 1 skill while u got 90 second of godmode and are immune to debuff+ awesome passive selfheal while u got like 25k hp isnt overpowered at all

Oh and what does ur glaver gave to fight against it? Windless+stun? Most of you got no ice and run in garm

As hp and damage go higher having more hp from passive isnt that awesome anymore damage reduction is where its at since pot arent getting better int chinese shine with their snow shield giving them the hp of a str char but potting twice as fast. And hitting harder than str.

So why going glaver? Blader probably grind faster with dp dance and cut and can achieve almost the same dmg with chain debuff and shield buff

Archer got range and awesome crit. Kb and stun allow them to fight 1v1. Their attack might be a little bit slow but
They kill on crit. In group fight chain ur 3 main attack on the target phantom and combo if you get ganged or some kd/stun spammer annoy u. Dont use combo in group fight except if its a sun wielder or a dmg dealer aka rogue or wizzy.

DrWicked · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 184 **Location:**

penfold1992 wrote:

i havnt seen a blader beat by a euro 1 on 1 part from wizzie and xbow with cleric sub but im sure every1 has killed a blader once.

im lvl 65 wizzies still 1 hit me easy -_-

btw glaviers were ALWAYS good and ALWAYS will be. they were NEVER great and NEVER will be.

they are a nice all around build.standard build.cheap build (gold and sp)

they are definatly not dominaters.

atm id say bladers,bow,s/s,wizzie and a 2h
i havt seen a lvl 90 blader pvp yet but ive seen lvl 85's pvp lvl 90's and still survive

i may be wrong

A 90 blader with a +5 can tank a 90 sun 2 h +5 and i saw it

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

Be_Brave wrote:

lmfao @ people saying ''not when you know how to play it...''

1v1 cape doesnt need alot of skills from the player, going defensive/offensive isnt hard at all, skills are required in team fight and im not talking about those euro turtle team that buff each others, i mean when everyone know what's his job and who they should target and what his other teammate will do and what the other group will do.

5 chinese phantoming on a lone backline guy at the exact same time is what i call skill and nice group fight.

so wich one shine the most? depend of the gear and situation.

armor warrior pwn glaiver... since glaiver are in garm most of the time they arent advantaged at all...

int chinese are advantaged against armor warrior though, even more if they wear armor themself since high cold + armor + snow shield

warrior/cleric are imo overpowered since they have way too much buff that turn them unkillable and allow them to keep their attack power.

but joymax isn't know to balance pvp...

wtb izzy

plz stfu...some skill is require when pvping
what do u have to say to the folling scenario
Me (glavier vs 2hand sun sword +7 warrior)

Go!

sun warrior cast bless
I use snow shield 23% warrior atks with dare devil I switch to my 85+5 shield dmg from dare devil is drastically reduce and I block at times
I continue to use Emperor+SSS to stun...warrior stun me with S.assault. now use dare devil..wait i can still switch to shield cuz dare devil is so frking slow. while i'm still using emperor and i can still switch to my 85+5 shield ...E+S again I stun warrior cast ice wall and warrior counter with dare devil using 10% of his max hp to break my wall and do 0 dmg...bless over...now cast skins...same scenario with shield switch/ice wall till all is buff are gone and i still have my snow..i atk got some lucky stuns and OMFG i kill a warrior with sun+7 :shock:

we pvp. again and he won this time... then warriors switch to cleric and spam shield trash...does still make u invisible? no, u can stun/crit...or repeat the same process with warrior blessing and I using snow again...till one of of gets lucky and wins....all done on protector set +5 no 89/90leg/chest neck. not a single vigor use.

I didn't use any sort of skill/tactic to win just spam emperor/soul/windless????

AWM · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 132 **Location:**

2h warrior winning china pure str is all about crits just like rogues, its just good players have good weapons and they do crit often ;d. Without strongest skill crits u can easily tank with garment set :roll:

.

long1 · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 88 **Location:**

i've read all replies on this topic and let me said it out straight....EVERYONE JUST S.T..F..U. int pwned, glavier pwned, euro pwned, whatever. Everyone will say their build is best..am i right? And why does everyone keep saying glavier spam and other build not, are u stupid?

Be_Brave · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 31 **Location:**

I wont believe it until u post a vid cause 2 crit from sun+7 dd would kill anyone even with snowshield and the warrior could just swap to 1h and "tank" you if you are as deadly as you claim to be but chance are that you arent superman and will be floored before he ran out of bless

Pham · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 541 **Location:**

long1 wrote:

i've read all replies on this topic and let me said it out straight....EVERYONE JUST S.T..F..U. int pwned, glavier pwned, euro pwned, whatever. Everyone will say their build is best..am i right? And why does everyone keep saying glavier spam and other build not, are u stupid?

ye i agree, i hate people who just says their build is the strongest, as long as u dont do pure str nuker or full int tanker, all builds are equal and only depend on skills and alchemy and luck as in lcuk in alchemy or drops.

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

Be_Brave wrote:

I wont believe it until u post a vid cause 2 crit from sun+7 dd would kill anyone even with snowshield and the warrior could just swap to 1h and "tank" you if you are as deadly as you claim to be but chance are that you arent superman and will be floored before he ran out of bless

thats your problem you THINK it would be over while I claim to have survive. there is a huge differece b/w thinking of what MIGHT actually happen from what actually did happen.

I don't have to prove anything to anyone if you don't believe me be my guess.... lets see glavier almost 31k HP+full protector set & accessory all +5 over 400 parry+snow shield+85+5 shield...no, a 2x crit dare devil did not kill me. it would if i do not have snow shield on.

AkillerNXC · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1014 **Location:**

Be_Brave wrote:

AkillerNXC wrote:

I'm lol'ing at the people saying "only <insert build> can beat me" or "Only one person can beat me", etc. Thats a bunch of bullshit. Exageration ftl.

Quote:

warrior/cleric are imo overpowered since they have way too much buff that turn them unkillable and allow them to keep their attack power.

There's no such thing as an overpowered build. Every build can be killed, every build CAN kill. (Except for the bs "int rogues" "str wiz" crap but thats not a real build).

Yeah cause hitting 10k 3 time with 1 skill while u got 90 second of godmode and are immune to debuff+ awesome passive selfheal while u got like 25k hp isnt overpowered at all

Oh and what does ur glaver gave to fight against it? Windless+stun? Most of you got no ice and run in garm

As hp and damage go higher having more hp from passive isnt that awesome anymore damage reduction is where its at since pot arent getting better int chinese shine with their snow shield giving them the hp of a str char but potting twice as fast. And hitting harder than str.

So why going glaver? Blader probably grind faster with dp dance and cut and can achieve almost the same dmg with chain debuff and shield buff

Archer got range and awesome crit. Kb and stun allow them to fight 1v1. Their attack might be a little bit slow but
They kill on crit. In group fight chain ur 3 main attack on the target phantom and combo if you get ganged or some kd/stun spammer annoy u. Dont use combo in group fight except if its a sun wielder or a dmg dealer aka rogue or wizzy.

Rofl. My 61 bard can hit 4-5k on a warrior lvl 60 or so WITH BLESS. (Which is alot at this lvl, somewhere around half of a strs health). So don't say bless is "God status" its not. No shit a chinese can't kill someone whos blessed, thats because chinese are NOT meant to fight people with bless.

@Ragnarok. What kind of hybrid shit warrior are you fighting? A 2H sun+7 warrior...double crit on DD would one shot anything. Except someone bless'd, screen'd, and fenced. lol. I've seen albel hit 15-20k crit with DD on a nuker WITH snow shield on. Thats with a +5 2H. No way anyone can survive a double DD crit.

devin · **Posted:** Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:40 pm

two handed sword with all the buffs on is pretty much unstopable. int hybrid sword is also a good build. i like it at least. mine pwns.

sparta_sword · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 249 **Location:**

englishganxta wrote:

sparta_sword wrote:

BaronSengir wrote:

more than half the people here are bullshtting and to the guy who has a hybrid s/s and never lost to a capped glaiver ROFL you must be freakin kidding me thats a load of crap

your showing your ignorance then, I've pvpd plenty of glaviers force glavier, fire glavier, fire with ice, +7's they all end up dieing the same way, their damage is fricking crap

EDIT:

their damage aint necessarily crap it's that their attacks are so freaking slow

ill pvp you mate ..

private message me your name here on the forums and ill message you in game

EDIT: to everyone else I really wish silkroad had a PVP server like most other MMORPG's have
one server dedicated to PVP that all people from the different servers could goto this would really be awesome

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

Yeah cause hitting 10k 3 time with 1 skill while u got 90 second of godmode and are immune to debuff+ awesome passive selfheal while u got like 25k hp isnt overpowered at all

Oh and what does ur glaver gave to fight against it? Windless+stun? Most of you got no ice and run in garm

As hp and damage go higher having more hp from passive isnt that awesome anymore damage reduction is where its at since pot arent getting better int chinese shine with their snow shield giving them the hp of a str char but potting twice as fast. And hitting harder than str.

So why going glaver? Blader probably grind faster with dp dance and cut and can achieve almost the same dmg with chain debuff and shield buff

Archer got range and awesome crit. Kb and stun allow them to fight 1v1. Their attack might be a little bit slow but
They kill on crit. In group fight chain ur 3 main attack on the target phantom and combo if you get ganged or some kd/stun spammer annoy u. Dont use combo in group fight except if its a sun wielder or a dmg dealer aka rogue or wizzy.[/quote]

Rofl. My 61 bard can hit 4-5k on a warrior lvl 60 or so WITH BLESS. (Which is alot at this lvl, somewhere around half of a strs health). So don't say bless is "God status" its not. No shit a chinese can't kill someone whos blessed, thats because chinese are NOT meant to fight people with bless.

@Ragnarok. What kind of hybrid shit warrior are you fighting? A 2H sun+7 warrior...double crit on DD would one shot anything. Except someone bless'd, screen'd, and fenced. lol. I've seen albel hit 15-20k crit with DD on a nuker WITH snow shield on. Thats with a +5 2H. No way anyone can survive a double DD crit.[/quote]

ok 1st of why the f*ck are u comparing me to a NUKER lol...who probablly has sh**ty gear...if the nuker mana can not keep (or mana its low) up with the dmg...it would go right though the snow shield...clearly a pure str. has a lot more def...ok find some glavier on ur server with full protector and accessory set full blues all +5 whites over 41-61% with snowshield on, 400+ parry and a 85+5 shield Critical 100% on (not a glavie) when a warrior use DD...I can assure u it can survive survive a DD crit.
We all know that not all dmg. is consistant cuz of AR and parry...but you can survive dd crit period..why cuz I survive

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

Ragnorak, you are full of BS ... I've seen dozen of full STR Bowers / Glavies / Bladers died in 2 crits of Daredevil ... and you dont have any special gear ... so cut the crap... especially you fought against SUNNED 2h

Normal DD hits 8-9k at Cap (non sunned)... Crit means 16k atleast --> 32k with double Crit ...
And you have 31k hp

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