Are glaivers going to continue to domiante?

Burningwolf · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2583 **Location:** :|

Nitro wrote:

Ragnorak, you are full of BS ... I've seen dozen of full STR Bowers / Glavies / Bladers died in 2 crits of Daredevil ... and you dont have any special gear ... so cut the crap... especially you fought against SUNNED 2h

Normal DD hits 8-9k at Cap (non sunned)... Crit means 16k atleast --> 32k with double Crit ...
And you have 31k hp

31K
and 2 hits is 32K
wont you put up before the second hit?
so add like 1K hp and you will survive ;]

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

Burningwolf wrote:

Nitro wrote:

Ragnorak, you are full of BS ... I've seen dozen of full STR Bowers / Glavies / Bladers died in 2 crits of Daredevil ... and you dont have any special gear ... so cut the crap... especially you fought against SUNNED 2h

Normal DD hits 8-9k at Cap (non sunned)... Crit means 16k atleast --> 32k with double Crit ...
And you have 31k hp

31K
and 2 hits is 32K
wont you put up before the second hit?
so add like 1K hp and you will survive ;]

It happens a bit faster than you think.

Burningwolf · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2583 **Location:** :|

Nitro wrote:

Burningwolf wrote:

Nitro wrote:

Ragnorak, you are full of BS ... I've seen dozen of full STR Bowers / Glavies / Bladers died in 2 crits of Daredevil ... and you dont have any special gear ... so cut the crap... especially you fought against SUNNED 2h

Normal DD hits 8-9k at Cap (non sunned)... Crit means 16k atleast --> 32k with double Crit ...
And you have 31k hp

31K
and 2 hits is 32K
wont you put up before the second hit?
so add like 1K hp and you will survive ;]

It happens a bit faster than you think.

then thats some bullshit

magisuns · **Posted:** Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:49 am

and that 1k hp will be taken by the opening sprint assault

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

Nitro wrote:

Ragnorak, you are full of BS ... I've seen dozen of full STR Bowers / Glavies / Bladers died in 2 crits of Daredevil ... and you dont have any special gear ... so cut the crap... especially you fought against SUNNED 2h

Normal DD hits 8-9k at Cap (non sunned)... Crit means 16k atleast --> 32k with double Crit ...
And you have 31k hp

lol,,, yeah this is true cuz all glaviers have same gear and all damg is constant.

tested for yourself..i'll repost what I said,,,find a warrior to try to Crit. u with Dare devil

ok find some glavier on ur server with full protector and accessory set full blues all +5 whites over 41-61% with snowshield on, 400+ parry and a 85+5 shield Critical 100% on (not a glavie) when a warrior use DD...I can assure u it can survive survive a DD crit.

Be_Brave · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 31 **Location:**

Ragnorak wrote:

Nitro wrote:

Ragnorak, you are full of BS ... I've seen dozen of full STR Bowers / Glavies / Bladers died in 2 crits of Daredevil ... and you dont have any special gear ... so cut the crap... especially you fought against SUNNED 2h

Normal DD hits 8-9k at Cap (non sunned)... Crit means 16k atleast --> 32k with double Crit ...
And you have 31k hp

lol,,, yeah this is true cuz all glaviers have same gear and all damg is constant.

tested for yourself..i'll repost what I said,,,find a warrior to try to Crit. u with Dare devil

ok find some glavier on ur server with full protector and accessory set full blues all +5 whites over 41-61% with snowshield on, 400+ parry and a 85+5 shield Critical 100% on (not a glavie) when a warrior use DD...I can assure u it can survive survive a DD crit.

yeah cause it would change alot of stuff on a double crit :roll:

vid of you pvping the sun+7 2h or your full of shit

AkillerNXC · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1014 **Location:**

Be_Brave wrote:

Ragnorak wrote:

Nitro wrote:

Ragnorak, you are full of BS ... I've seen dozen of full STR Bowers / Glavies / Bladers died in 2 crits of Daredevil ... and you dont have any special gear ... so cut the crap... especially you fought against SUNNED 2h

Normal DD hits 8-9k at Cap (non sunned)... Crit means 16k atleast --> 32k with double Crit ...
And you have 31k hp

lol,,, yeah this is true cuz all glaviers have same gear and all damg is constant.

tested for yourself..i'll repost what I said,,,find a warrior to try to Crit. u with Dare devil

ok find some glavier on ur server with full protector and accessory set full blues all +5 whites over 41-61% with snowshield on, 400+ parry and a 85+5 shield Critical 100% on (not a glavie) when a warrior use DD...I can assure u it can survive survive a DD crit.

yeah cause it would change alot of stuff on a double crit :roll:

vid of you pvping the sun+7 2h or your full of shit

What he said. I refuse to believe anyone without war/cleric buffs would survive a DD double crit from a sun 2H. Just no way. And why I do I compare you to a 90 nuker with ice at 90? Because nukers at 90 with snow on are just as hard to kill if not harder then glaviers.

weymouthhall · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 219 **Location:**

I agree glaviers are quite strong, one of the more dominant chinese builds. I, however, being a warrior/rogue, did not find that much trouble fighting against them.

the_wicked · **Posted:** Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:50 pm

weymouthhall wrote:

I agree glaviers are quite strong, one of the more dominant chinese builds. I, however, being a warrior/rogue, did not find that much trouble fighting against them.

IMO glaive is a lame build. Takes no effort. But srsly, most glaivers suck against warriors. (most).

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

the_wicked wrote:

weymouthhall wrote:

I agree glaviers are quite strong, one of the more dominant chinese builds. I, however, being a warrior/rogue, did not find that much trouble fighting against them.

IMO glaive is a lame build. Takes no effort. But srsly, most glaivers suck against warriors. (most).

I agree ... in PvP videos Glaviers are only test-bunnies ... everyone is killing them.
I see nothing strong about Glaviers ... in my opinion , both Bow and Blade are better than it.

Timmeh · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:** England

Well me and IC3 have made chars on Venus, me making a Wizard and him making a Glavier.

See you in-game. ^^

foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

the_wicked wrote:

DrWicked wrote:

i saw a sun glavie killing a guy full sun set prot and sun bow ; )

glaives are better than half the chinese builds. Warrior cleric with tactic still wins usually. final teir +5 armor is as good phys wise as sun garms, so a glaiver in armor that still dies to me every time is kinda sad.

cause you do better then glaive dmg plus increased crit passive

if you ask me i think as far as chinese go bow and blade will be better, bow gots lots of kb, and blade has high defense plus debuffs add force plus blade and you got yourself a chinese warlock

Spartax0609 · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 108 **Location:**

i hope glaivers dont... i believe that in the end either blade or bow will take over...

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

c'mon ppl.. they aren't that bad
just dont tell me they "dominate"

magisuns · **Posted:** Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:19 am

i want to see yomamas "MIGHTY GLAVIER" in pvp =\
i wanna see you drop in a few hits... glaviers are nothing but practice dummies.

AWM · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 132 **Location:**

YoMama wrote:

Barotix wrote:

Any Glaiver that just spams his moves without any consideration to who he's fighting or how he's fighting is stupid.

If it's a kill or be killed situation, start off heavy to set them, then follow up with high dps moves to maintain what you've set. Finally GSM/GSSC is for finishing or survival, it's good. A shield is a Chinese' best friend against a warrior. You get KDed? Use a shield, he screams? Use a shield. He takes out his shield and sword? Well, by then it means he has no "defense left" and I've got him: it'll be like fighting an s/s (for the warrior) and at that point it's GG. People don't put enough thought into how to PvP, it may not be difficult because you're just pressing 123space12... etc, but it never hurts to think of plans against every build. ATM, I've compiled a list of strs and weaknesses for my build. I think I'll make a guide.

Have you guys noticed glaivers have been leveling ice >_> Cape PvP heroes.

-.- barotix.. common your gonna make a guide.. of what? common forreal if your going to make a guide atleast know what it feels like to play as one just dont assume.. heres a tip.. level up xD ( sorry to say that but still

)

magisuns wrote:

xD i loled at the 80+ part!!!!!!!!
but yeah, as i said before... glaviers really do suck... they dont have any backup defenses, they get raped by almost every int build. They get killed by bladers 50\50... against bowers... meh.... i dont rly watch those pot wars. Warriors can kill them without a worry of dieing. I only see glaviers do good against themselves, rogues, wizards and warrior\clerics... depending on if they get eternal slumber in or not. Its a cookie cutter build that requires almost no experience... what can you expect. I dont know anyone that wants a challenge that decides to be a glavier

LMFAO .. im GOING to be 90 light fire glavie.. 20 ice and 10 bow..
im also pro.. i got me a nice +7 glavie.. +4\5 85-88 set ( ready for me) .. just to say i can kill 2H.. if they are warlock.. ptsh no point of pvping them.. i cant even leave a scratch on them. i can kill bows EASLY seriously bows can what? crt .. -.- big woop.. i can survive 4 crts IN A ROW from a bow.. that has a +7 they have nice crts but they are slow by the time they executed there next skill i already potted up by then .. bladers sorry to say they are weak.. you may see then do a nice 10k crt but.. GLAVIES HAVE 30K HP >_> without spec items n suits. the only real challenge is int's i gotta say from 80cap ( 69 skills ) they stepped up by a crap load.. now they are the ones doing 20k+ nukes.. that really hurts xD

In ur dreams xD isyy come pvp. Glavier with good set can tank yeah but 4 crits and bb or just strongbow + devil arrow in good time. I have +7 bow with nice stats and dont see any problem killing glavie unless they have cold 90 build or armor set.

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

I proved my point to the disbelievers, case close

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95618

Hustlar · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 340 **Location:**

there is no ''better'' build, its how you play it, what gear you have and what your lvl is. and ofcourse there are builds that can ''own'' certain other builds easier, its just a whole chain of that owns that and that owns that again etc. ur just dumb if you call a specific build to be ''bad''.

Be_Brave · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 31 **Location:**

Ragnorak wrote:

I proved my point to the disbelievers, case close

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95618

gonna keep my chinese then :oops:

borat2 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:53 pm

Ragnorak wrote:

I proved my point to the disbelievers, case close

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95618

Sad part most sun weapons get in the wrong hands (nearly 90% of all sun users seems to be noobs) its just a level 90 "noob" with a sun that is all.

He can`t switch properly, i mean you knockback opponent stand there and not heal yourself? or at least use 1 hand skill?
Its true with a good prot set as glaive in snow you can take some hits, but if that warrior had a clue of what he was doing my money would be on him no doubt

even if you would have a similar weapon.

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

borat2 wrote:

Ragnorak wrote:

I proved my point to the disbelievers, case close

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95618

Sad part most sun weapons get in the wrong hands (nearly 90% of all sun users seems to be noobs) its just a level 90 "noob" with a sun that is all.

He can`t switch properly, i mean you knockback opponent stand there and not heal yourself? or at least use 1 hand skill?
Its true with a good prot set as glaive in snow you can take some hits, but if that warrior had a clue of what he was doing my money would be on him no doubt

even if you would have a similar weapon.

I don't see him doing anything wrong...or maybe idk the "ideal" way to pvp once u run out of bless/skins...he was using ST/healing when he didn't have skins/bless....if you don't make ST/healing a priory and use one hand skills without bless/skins you will die I can assure u of that...see the dmg..I was doing without his skins/bless...
just because I kill him once doesn't make him weak...he did win too for all I know he could have won the next 5 rounds if we pvp. or win once/loose once no one can predict the outcome.

borat2 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:49 pm

Ragnorak wrote:

borat2 wrote:

Ragnorak wrote:

I proved my point to the disbelievers, case close

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95618

Sad part most sun weapons get in the wrong hands (nearly 90% of all sun users seems to be noobs) its just a level 90 "noob" with a sun that is all.

He can`t switch properly, i mean you knockback opponent stand there and not heal yourself? or at least use 1 hand skill?
Its true with a good prot set as glaive in snow you can take some hits, but if that warrior had a clue of what he was doing my money would be on him no doubt

even if you would have a similar weapon.

I don't see him doing anything wrong...or maybe idk the "ideal" way to pvp once u run out of bless/skins...he was using ST/healing when he didn't have skins/bless....if you don't make ST/healing a priory and use one hand skills without bless/skins you will die I can assure u of that...see the dmg..I was doing without his skins/bless...
just because I kill him once doesn't make him weak...he did win too for all I know he could have won the next 5 rounds if we pvp. or win once/loose once no one can predict the outcome.

The char is far from weak, just in the wrong hands, he could knockback use faster heals instead of orbit (sorry no idea what exact name is of that healing skill) believe at 3:20 he even failed using bless, he has no control over his char, no timing, basically just smashing few keys.

There are so many things he could have done to simply survive you while you are in snow shield without even using bless or skins but he seems a bit slow (or lagging) or has no clue what he is doing.

weymouthhall · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 219 **Location:**

borat2 wrote:

Ragnorak wrote:

I proved my point to the disbelievers, case close

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95618

Sad part most sun weapons get in the wrong hands (nearly 90% of all sun users seems to be noobs) its just a level 90 "noob" with a sun that is all.

He can`t switch properly, i mean you knockback opponent stand there and not heal yourself? or at least use 1 hand skill?
Its true with a good prot set as glaive in snow you can take some hits, but if that warrior had a clue of what he was doing my money would be on him no doubt

even if you would have a similar weapon.

I understand the pressure that sun owners, especially sun weapon owners, have to endure. People think they are god, they are unkillable and unbeatable in pvp. I agree, alot of sun weapons are wasted in noob's hands. But Im sure there are alot of sun weapon users that know how to play as well

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

so how do u think u would have fared in a pvp like this one light heart, bring a full melee?
would there be better results or would the lack of the extra 45 immortal seconds be dangerous?

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