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penfold1992
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Post subject: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:29 pm |
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options are... bich fire light bich fire cold bich light cold bich fire force i want to be good in pvp  im thinking of tanking heavilly, fire and cold and then i can also freeze enemys  or.... should i just go fire light? i need first hand experience from bladers who hav done these builds please  ps. dont owrry about lvling im gna plvl myself lol
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:11 am |
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Everyone answer, I'm making a blader in future to and wanna know haha  Personally I was thinking of going with Fire/Force. The best damaging Blader build I guess. In important things like guild wars you will have bards for speed buffs and all that. Better speed buffs than what light can give you. Even grinding you could have the speed buffs alot of the time from bards. So basically I'm stuck between fire/fore and fire/ice. Anways that's my two cents. P.S. Does anyone have a skill calc for 100 cap?
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:46 am |
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The only thing force is good for with a Blader is the extra MP, you have status effects from chains, why get another full skill tree when you can do the same thing with the one you already have.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:04 am |
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TeamLosi wrote: The only thing force is good for with a Blader is the extra MP, you have status effects from chains, why get another full skill tree when you can do the same thing with the one you already have. Theres different debuffs in force and such as parry ratio, decay, weaken and more. Also if you chain doesn't get division on (for example) you can try to use the force way of doing it. It's just you can have debuffs on your enemy all the time. Also extra mp isn't that useful considering you wouldn't even have snow shield.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:07 am |
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bich force fire ftw
add that option
division lvl 10!!!
bich ofc force for debuffs fire for extra phy attk, mag def, strongest imbue
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:28 am |
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none of the above? 100 fire 100 80 light 20 cold >.>
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:53 am |
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the_wicked wrote: none of the above? 100 fire 100 bicheon 80 light 20 cold >.> Don't really need Force, tbh I find it to be really useless. What Albel-noople put, I'd have to say that seems the more well-rounded Blade build for 100-cap. At least with 20 cold you're still capable of having snow shield; and yes snow shield is still helpful even for str builds.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:24 am |
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_Scarlett_ wrote: the_wicked wrote: none of the above? 100 fire 100 bicheon 80 light 20 cold >.> Don't really need Force, tbh I find it to be really useless. What Albel-noople put, I'd have to say that seems the more well-rounded Blade build for 100-cap. At least with 20 cold you're still capable of having snow shield; and yes snow shield is still helpful even for str builds. No way force is useless. It's just not the typical build but still can be good. All the status you can put on people. More useful than light I think. All light does is add speed, a little parry and little mag dmg. At least you can do a bit more damage with force, I'm fairly sure force debuff takes away heaps more parry than light adds.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:43 am |
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DeathBeforeDishonor wrote: I'm fairly sure force debuff takes away heaps more parry than light adds. Yep my lvl1 force debuff reduces 43 parry, and my lvl70 light buff adds 29, at cap I think concentration adds 40 or so parry.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:47 am |
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Bicheon/Fire/Force. I believe force debuffs would lover dmg more than parry ratio. Also you would have great dmg. And i think at higher levels force would help for grinding. You could lure mobs to your self with it by lowering they dmg/defense.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:40 am |
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so many peopl say bich fire force yet no1 votes for it?
im nt so intrested in 1vs1, more of... 5vs1 lol
5 on me that is
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:56 am |
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If you want to be the uber tank then 90 ice/fire is the way to go, throw on a prot set on top of that and you have a pretty nice balanced defense that is very high, and you also have the ice imbue 
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:37 am |
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JKMB wrote: If you want to be the uber tank then 90 ice/fire is the way to go, throw on a prot set on top of that and you have a pretty nice balanced defense that is very high, and you also have the ice imbue  Yes. Also, having maxed ice means you can compensate for losing the physical defense with the Shield skill. My Favorite blader builds: 100 fire 100 bicheon 60 light 40 cold (30% snow shield is playable for a blader because of blocks / Knockdown) 100 fire 100 force 100 bicheon (can, maybe, go hybrid STR for extra damage, as they have one (almost) certain stun every 20 seconds, and blocks + Knockdown) 
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:15 pm |
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100 light seems a waste and so does 100 cold 2bh options there are 20 40 60 80 cold (for ss) and light would need to be either 80 60 40 20 obv so yea i might think about a 60 light 40 ice  what do u guys say 
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:48 pm |
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sounds good
so 100 bich 100 fire 60 light 40 cold
30% snow will help you tank for 2 min
sounds like a strong build
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:58 pm |
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if were to create a blader, i'd go for 100bich/fire 80light 20 cold. cuz ghost walk shadow looks cool and snow shield novice is enough for a pure str.
because the way i see it, if you don't max ice then don't bother getting it higher at lv20.
but if you really want very good tanking ability, go for 100bich/fire/cold for show off, walking around in job wars and let other ppl see how good def u have with snow shield 60%.
but use only max of 30%snow if u plan to fight.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:07 pm |
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60 snow is way to much for a blader
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:12 pm |
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aznfury91 wrote: 60 snow is way to much for a blader He means if you were just walking letting 10+ ppl hit you  as you wont need to attack back ^^ or be able to as I doubt you would have enough mana to anyway.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:32 pm |
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im a nuker atm and i hav 35% pots for mp and for pvping its not enough as i can sometimes get hit more then that in which case the snow shield has hardly any effect! 60 ice is too much imo i think thats like 30% snow? or 40? meh 40 is to great
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:00 pm |
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Remember that just becasue its possible to use a 40% snow shield, doesnt mean you should, you can always stick with a 25-35% one 
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:05 pm |
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JKMB wrote: Remember that just becasue its possible to use a 40% snow shield, doesnt mean you should, you can always stick with a 25-35% one  30% snow is fine. Bladers have blocks, you know!
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:14 pm |
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depends if at 100 cap the new alchemy stones come out for dull and bleed, if we get the new alchemy stones at this cap less people will have room to put in ice immunity blues on their items, making ice a very valid option again. The ultimate Chinese tank would be bich/ice/fire, but force gets stun at 100 too, or was that 110 with konpaku gone i can't go back and look Tough call between ice/fire or fire/force
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:54 am |
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lmfao why do you want an extra defense (ice) for the blader what blader need is speed lots & lots of speed TBH . Just imagine grinding solo with 38% speed ( level 30 light ) . Yeah Big surprise bladers aren't so wanted in share parties (if you don't know why you should grind with one or two ).
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:47 am |
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Ash wrote: lmfao why do you want an extra defense (ice) for the blader
what blader need is speed lots & lots of speed TBH . Just imagine grinding solo with 38% speed ( level 30 light ) . Yeah Big surprise bladers aren't so wanted in share parties (if you don't know why you should grind with one or two ). WARRIORS
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:27 pm |
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the_wicked wrote: Ash wrote: lmfao why do you want an extra defense (ice) for the blader
what blader need is speed lots & lots of speed TBH . Just imagine grinding solo with 38% speed ( level 30 light ) . Yeah Big surprise bladers aren't so wanted in share parties (if you don't know why you should grind with one or two ). WARRIORS Duh! IMO, I can go as far as saying that, at 100 cap, glaivers need 100 ice.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:29 pm |
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go for an euro warrior  bicheon 100 fire 100 light 80 cold 20
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:31 am |
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100bich/100fire/80light/20ice is the well built soling chinese blader in my opinion, pump up more ice for more snow and you got yourself a pretty strong blader doing well in pvps.
1 vs 1 hands down has to be 100 bich/fire/force
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:28 pm |
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Blinxx wrote: 100bich/100fire/80light/20ice is the well built soling chinese blader in my opinion, pump up more ice for more snow and you got yourself a pretty strong blader doing well in pvps.
1 vs 1 hands down has to be 100 bich/fire/force phails vs. cleric classes.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:46 pm |
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I would go bicheon 100, but I'd suggest you think about leaving light at 32, taking 68 ice(for might guard) and 100 fire. light speed can be replaced by drugs and a blader wont be able to catch some1 and kill him even if you're both max light.
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Post subject: Re: Blader at lvl 100 cap Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:04 pm |
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blader4ever wrote: I would go bicheon 100, but I'd suggest you think about leaving light at 32, taking 68 ice(for might guard) and 100 fire. light speed can be replaced by drugs and a blader wont be able to catch some1 and kill him even if you're both max light. drugs is an expensive way?
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