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Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

8:47 seconds of O.O =_='. It's an income source; a very lucrative venture.

Squirt · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 8186 **Location:**

I saw a documentary on PETA and there was something that connected the leader to some bombers something like that don't remember.
Peta is stupid.
Bigger things to worry about than animals.

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

Squirt wrote:

I saw a documentary on PETA and there was something that connected the leader to some bombers something like that don't remember.
Peta is stupid.
Bigger things to worry about than animals.

you do realize that you TOO are an animal, right? :roll:

we are mammals, just like dogs, cat, sheeps, goats, etc.

ignorance to the max

Foilin · **Posted:** Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:05 pm

ThiefzV2 wrote:

Squirt wrote:

I saw a documentary on PETA and there was something that connected the leader to some bombers something like that don't remember.
Peta is stupid.
Bigger things to worry about than animals.

you do realize that you TOO are an animal, right? :roll:

we are mammals, just like dogs, cat, sheeps, goats, etc.

ignorance to the max

Yeah... So? welcome to the food chain, we also live in a totally different society and set of rules then animals do. we have to make money and feed our familys and friends. Dont lions do the same, kill to feed their pride. were "animals" by your standings, were no better than they are, so why argue that were somhow better? People are going to be cruel, what can you do about it? nothing. nothing at all. So who cares?

edit: also, why should we pay taxes for people who killed/skinned an animal to be imprisoned? I dont see how its a good idea to imprison people over killing somthing lower on than the food chain then we are.

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

Foilin wrote:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

Squirt wrote:

I saw a documentary on PETA and there was something that connected the leader to some bombers something like that don't remember.
Peta is stupid.
Bigger things to worry about than animals.

you do realize that you TOO are an animal, right? :roll:

we are mammals, just like dogs, cat, sheeps, goats, etc.

ignorance to the max

Yeah... So? welcome to the food chain, we also live in a totally different society and set of rules then animals do. we have to make money and feed our familys and friends. Dont lions do the same, kill to feed their pride. were "animals" by your standings, were no better than they are, so why argue that were somhow better? People are going to be cruel, what can you do about it? nothing. nothing at all. So who cares?

lol Lions don't kill stuff then wear the skin for looks. They certainly don't make what they kill suffer like that.

Squirt · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 8186 **Location:**

DarkJackal wrote:

lol Lions don't kill stuff then wear the skin for looks. They certainly don't make what they kill suffer like that.

Well Hmans kill to adapt.
If they need a Fur coat to Adapt to an enviroment so be it.
Atleast their using the Fur.

I know I know they Kill them for Fashion but it still keeps them warm.

Human needs over "animal" needs

[SD]Master_Wong · **Posted:** Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:16 pm

DarkJackal wrote:

Foilin wrote:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

you do realize that you TOO are an animal, right? :roll:

we are mammals, just like dogs, cat, sheeps, goats, etc.

ignorance to the max

Yeah... So? welcome to the food chain, we also live in a totally different society and set of rules then animals do. we have to make money and feed our familys and friends. Dont lions do the same, kill to feed their pride. were "animals" by your standings, were no better than they are, so why argue that were somhow better? People are going to be cruel, what can you do about it? nothing. nothing at all. So who cares?

lol Lions don't kill stuff then wear the skin for looks. They certainly don't make what they kill suffer like that.

snakes eat their pray alive or partially alive (by eating im also counting the liquidising their insides as thats part of their digestion for some

sure we dont need to be cruel to animals but dont be so Farking stupid to say we dont need to do it

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

Squirt wrote:

Well Hmans kill to adapt.
If they need a Fur coat to Adapt to an enviroment so be it.
Atleast their using the Fur.

I know I know they Kill them for Fashion but it still keeps them warm.

Human needs over "animal" needs

But this isn't the ice age lol.

I'm not sayin humans don't need to kill, I don't even have a problem with wearing fur really, but no one needs to kill like that >.>.

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:

snakes eat their pray alive or partially alive (by eating im also counting the liquidising their insides as thats part of their digestion for some

sure we dont need to be cruel to animals but dont be so Farking stupid to say we dont need to do it

What snake is that? Snakes either suffocate/crush their prey or poison it, even if it is still alive snakes don't know any better, they don't know what they would be doing to it, they are simply eating and surviving, can't compare that to someone laughing(I read he was laughing I didn't hear it) and ripping skin off a live animal.

Where did I say we don't need to kill?

magisuns · **Posted:** Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:27 pm

that is Farking disgusting. Whoever does that for a living is 100% farked up

we have no reason to make an animal go through that much pain
there are much easier ways to kill an animal if the "need" be. it shouldnt b long and painful * i noticed that even afterwards, one of them was pretty much completely skinned it was still breathing *

[SD]Master_Wong · **Posted:** Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:29 pm

DarkJackel wrote:

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:

snakes eat their pray alive or partially alive (by eating im also counting the liquidising their insides as thats part of their digestion for some

sure we dont need to be cruel to animals but dont be so Farking stupid to say we dont need to do it

What snake is that? Snakes either suffocate/crush their prey or poison it, even if it is still alive snakes don't know any better, they don't know what they would be doing to it, they are simply eating and surviving, can't compare that to someone laughing(I read he was laughing I didn't hear it) and ripping skin off a live animal.

Where did I say we don't need to kill?

i dont know what snakes but i know one the poison dont kill right away and they eat it while its stil been digested by the poison

i didnt hear the laughing tbh but im not watching it again, and i did say that was cruel i dont agree with it been alive you can just as easily smash its skull in which if you dont break the skin while doing that shouldnt affect the fur

Draquish · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 6423 **Location:** ____

Squirt wrote:

Well Hmans kill to adapt.
If they need a Fur coat to Adapt to an enviroment so be it.
Atleast their using the Fur.

I know I know they Kill them for Fashion but it still keeps them warm.

Human needs over "animal" needs

I believe we surpassed our "needs" when we learned agriculture.

DarkJackal · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 6119 **Location:** A den~

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:

i dont know what snakes but i know one the poison dont kill right away and they eat it while its stil been digested by the poison

i didnt hear the laughing tbh but im not watching it again, and i did say that was cruel i dont agree with it been alive you can just as easily smash its skull in which if you dont break the skin while doing that shouldnt affect the fur

Sounds more like a spider.

But yes, there's plenty of ways to kill stuff without bloodspill.

marjin_boo · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 400 **Location:** Australia

They skinned it alive is because fur stay fresh and puffy when it is pulled out from a live animal. When its dead, the fur doesn't look puffy. Also it is easier to pull fur of an animal when it is alive, if its dead, pieces will come out. And many other reasons.

Snoopy · **Posted:** Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:38 pm

I'm sorry, I don't care what you say. There is better things that can be used to make you warm than an animals fur. Especially killing them alive!? Picking them up and smashing them onto the concrete.

How is this any different to beating up on a disabled person, a person who can't fight back, a person who is picked on and bashed for the disgusting people that want to wear a fur coat.

Fcuk the pimps, and the pansys that wear animal fur. Those people should be ashamed of themselves. I couldn't watch much of that video, I mainly skipped parts.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Its going to die in the end anyway so it doesn't matter.

Lets just ignore the animals that eat their prey alive, rip the flesh off another animal while its still alive, inject venom and wait for its prey to die in pain, etc.

DarkJackal wrote:

What snake is that? Snakes either suffocate/crush their prey or poison it, even if it is still alive snakes don't know any better, they don't know what they would be doing to it, they are simply eating and surviving, can't compare that to someone laughing(I read he was laughing I didn't hear it) and ripping skin off a live animal.

Where did I say we don't need to kill?

Many snakes do eat their prey alive. Also, many of the snakes that do use venom don't use it for killing purposes but for paralyzing their prey or for digestive purposes.

The guy can't laugh? Different people have different senses of humor. There is no right and wrong.

Snoopy wrote:

How is this any different to beating up on a disabled person, a person who can't fight back, a person who is picked on and bashed for the disgusting people that want to wear a fur coat.

1. The disabled person is human.
2. Why would beat up a disabled person? Unless they have something you want, I don't see why you need to beat them up. Its funny because most disabled people I've encountered just want to seen as being a normal person yet here you are looking down upon them thinking they should be treated better because they are disabled.
3. A human's skin's isn't made of fur.

I'm not exactly sure but as marjin_boo said, many believe that skinning the animal alive is better for the fur. What makes your beliefs more important than their beliefs?

[SD]Master_Wong · **Posted:** Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:57 pm

ok i disagree with how he does it but its his job we are not to judge

its different from beating up a disabled person as there is no actualy need to do it not even for money, fur is for survival in the past when we started skinning animals

and tbh i dont care how we get the fur i just like been in threads with lots of people arguing

Katz · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 6 **Location:**

if you not care at all then you have zero feeling on evrything so if you get a kid ,and then you say to the kid, dont care if someone make some horrible things to that animal..So you feel good about that?, And sure we can jude about this..is alive and no one should do like that to a animal..

And some fu'king fur to skin a animal alive is fu'king retardet thing ...someone can do ...and make animal suffer...Is nothing to do when wild animals hunt other to stay alive.. we can chose to not harm and not make it worse for the animal..
and we are not need to torture them at all.

Snoopy · **Posted:** Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:10 am

Da_Realest wrote:

Snoopy wrote:

How is this any different to beating up on a disabled person, a person who can't fight back, a person who is picked on and bashed for the disgusting people that want to wear a fur coat.

1. The disabled person is human.
2. Why would beat up a disabled person? Unless they have something you want, I don't see why you need to beat them up. Its funny because most disabled people I've encountered just want to seen as being a normal person yet here you are looking down upon them thinking they should be treated better because they are disabled.
3. A human's skin's isn't made of fur.

I'm not exactly sure but as marjin_boo said, many believe that skinning the animal alive is better for the fur. What makes your beliefs more important than their beliefs?

First of all, you say when the person was laughing, they have a different sense of humor? There is no right or wrong? Do you have no morals? Who would laugh at an animal being skinned alive. Typical Third world countries.

The average disabled person is much easier to pick on than a person who is fully functional. I was using a human example to substitute the poor animal that can't defend themselves!

I was looking down on disabled people who like to think they're normal. Sure I know disabled people, who yea, would like to be treated equally. Are these animals being treated equally? Disabled people aren't smashed on their heads and then tied up to a fence and skin pulled off them.

If you actually thought I was being serious that disabled people are skinned for their skin, then you have problems. It was an example.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Katz wrote:

if you not care at all then you have zero feeling on evrything so if you get a kid ,and then you say to the kid, dont care if someone make some horrible things to that animal..So you feel good about that?, And sure we can jude about this..is alive and no one should do like that to a animal..

Just because you do not sympathize with someone or some thing doesn't mean you do not have feelings.

Yup, if I had a kid I would tell him that. The world is cruel and don't bother with things that do not concern you.

Katz wrote:

And some fu'king fur to skin a animal alive is fu'king retardet thing ...someone can do ...and make animal suffer...Is nothing to do when wild animals hunt other to stay alive.. we can chose to not harm and not make it worse for the animal..
and we are not need to torture them at all.

Not all animals hunt just to stay alive. Believe it or not, some animals kill other animals that pose no threat just for coming into their territory. Some animals kill just because they can.

Snoopy wrote:

First of all, you say when the person was laughing, they have a different sense of humor? There is no right or wrong? Do you have no morals? Who would laugh at an animal being skinned alive. Typical Third world countries.

Please point me to the handbook where it tells me what morals I should have.

Snoopy wrote:

The average disabled person is much easier to pick on than a person who is fully functional. I was using a human example to substitute the poor animal that can't defend themselves!

The animal can defend itself. Maybe not adequately enough to get out of a situation, but it can defend itself.

Snoopy wrote:

I was looking down on disabled people who like to think they're normal. Sure I know disabled people, who yea, would like to be treated equally. Are these animals being treated equally? Disabled people aren't smashed on their heads and then tied up to a fence and skin pulled off them.

When did the animal say it wanted to be treated equally?

Snoopy wrote:

If you actually thought I was being serious that disabled people are skinned for their skin, then you have problems. It was an example.

Also, I know nothing about your mental state. How would I know if you were being serious or not? I had to make an assumption, with my assumption being that you have some intelligence. I assumed you knew a human has no fur so I decided to treat it as you being serious for fun. Having said that, your example was a poor example.

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

Da_Releast... it's official...

you're an idiot!

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

ThiefzV2 wrote:

Da_Releast... it's official...

you're an idiot!

Coming from a fool, I take that as a compliment.

Thanks.

magisuns · **Posted:** Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:04 am

darealest wrote:

When did the animal say it wanted to be treated equally?

when does a mute person say they want to be treated equally?

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

ThiefzV2 wrote:

Da_Releast... it's official...

you're an idiot!

Coming from a fool, I take that as a compliment.

Thanks.

For your statement to hold, you must prove that I'm a "fool". :roll:

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

magisuns wrote:

darealest wrote:

When did the animal say it wanted to be treated equally?

when does a mute person say they want to be treated equally?

Through writings, gestures, etc.

magisuns · **Posted:** Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:09 am

Da_Realest wrote:

magisuns wrote:

darealest wrote:

When did the animal say it wanted to be treated equally?

when does a mute person say they want to be treated equally?

Through writings, gestures, etc.

when an animal is kicking and flailing in pain and whimpering does that not mean anything to you? They cant write. So your saying that if i saw a person that couldnt write due to an issue and couldnt speak i should be able to put them through immense pain? oh and lets skin them while we are at it
NICE LOGIC

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

magisuns wrote:

darealest wrote:

When did the animal say it wanted to be treated equally?

when does a mute person say they want to be treated equally?

Quote:

when an animal is kicking and flailing in pain and whimpering does that not mean anything to you? They cant write. So your saying that if i saw a person that couldnt write due to an issue and couldnt speak i should be able to put them through immense pain?
NICE LOGIC

How and why would a mute person ask for equal rights? Being human gives us certain unalienable rights. Property rights and equality of opportunity. Some humans have advantages; some have disadvantages, but they all share that same potential. Other animals don't have those rights until they're personified by humans.

Other animals don't have human rights until they're personified by humans.

izmeister · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1138 **Location:** Yes

Da_Realest wrote:

magisuns wrote:

darealest wrote:

when does a mute person say they want to be treated equally?

Through writings, gestures, etc.

when an animal is kicking and flailing in pain and whimpering does that not mean anything to you? They cant write. So your saying that if i saw a person that couldnt write due to an issue and couldnt speak i should be able to put them through immense pain? oh and lets skin them while we are at it
NICE LOGIC

Human =/= animal

Foilin · **Posted:** Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:17 am

This thread is fail. you people are retarded. hard headed idiots

Snoopy · **Posted:** Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:17 am

Da_Realest wrote:

Snoopy wrote:

First of all, you say when the person was laughing, they have a different sense of humor? There is no right or wrong? Do you have no morals? Who would laugh at an animal being skinned alive. Typical Third world countries.

Please point me to the handbook where it tells me what morals I should have.

Morals are motivations based on ideas of what is good, and what is bad. If you think the skinning of animals when they're alive is a good thing, or the cruelty to animals is a good thing, then you have serious problems.

Snoopy wrote:

The average disabled person is much easier to pick on than a person who is fully functional. I was using a human example to substitute the poor animal that can't defend themselves!

The animal can defend itself. Maybe not adequately enough to get out of a situation, but it can defend itself.

Most stupid thing I've read all day. I'm sorry but that is just pathetic if that is your argument.

Snoopy wrote:

I was looking down on disabled people who like to think they're normal. Sure I know disabled people, who yea, would like to be treated equally. Are these animals being treated equally? Disabled people aren't smashed on their heads and then tied up to a fence and skin pulled off them.

When did the animal say it wanted to be treated equally?

Does it say it has to be treated equally? Once again, this is when morals kick in. Speaking of someones mental state :roll:

The animal is in obvious pain and agony.

Snoopy wrote:

If you actually thought I was being serious that disabled people are skinned for their skin, then you have problems. It was an example.

Also, I know nothing about your mental state. How would I know if you were being serious or not? I had to make an assumption, with my assumption being that you have some intelligence. I assumed you knew a human has no fur so I decided to treat it as you being serious for fun. Having said that, your example was a poor example.

Oh I see. You can call my example poor all you like. I was using a human example, and I'm pretty sure most normal people would've understood that.

magisuns · **Posted:** Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:17 am

izmeister wrote:

Human =/= animal

yeah thats right we are mammals... of courseee

arguing with people can be pointless if they wont place themselves on both points of view. I'm applying this mainly to baro, so i'm done with this discussion. Sticking to one blunt headed point gets annoying

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