Scamming

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

nightbloom wrote:

PROMETHEUS, I love you but in this case, I think you are wrong.

Scamming is like that email that everyone gets ever so often. "Send me your bank information so that I can get my 50 million dollars out of the country. Ill give you 1 million for your trouble." It uses greed and making someone think they are getting something for nothing to scam them. Its not outright theft. Many kinds of scams are quite legal. Go to any mall and you will find a little box with a stack of ballot entries on top. They SAY you are being entered into a contest, but really, they are address list builders who sell your information. Amway, the ultimate scam and the original pyramid scheme. Publisher's Clearing House gets thousands of elderly people to buy useless knick-knacks and magazines in the hopes of winning the 100 millions dollar prize while it says in VERY small print that buying doesnt increase your chances. Scamming is not like stealing a car or stealing a purse. Those acts are forceful and lack the cooperation of their victims. Hacking is like stealing. Scamming is usually quite voluntary out of greed or stupidity.

I dont condone the scamming of legits out of principle, but the scamming of botters is a perfectly legitimate way to make a buck and make a bot cry. In my eyes, they dont have the same rights as everyone else who plays and I dont have enough respect for them to care if they get scammed.

That makes sense. I didn't really mean to say it was just like stealing. Certainly scamming of legits is wrong. I don't think I'd even scam a botter, basically just because I'm not a scamming type of person. But I wouldn't cry if a botter got scammed by someone either.

I never even thought of those ballot things at the mall. Good thing I never filled one out.

Ring · **Joined:** Aug 2008 **Posts:** 109 **Location:** Hell

Skayunor wrote:

Ring wrote:

That's how I see it.

Glad you're reasonable about it, yet still our opinions about this subject are different, oh well, if I can't change you, so be it.

Yea this is turning out to be like the "Do you believe in god" Thread :banghead:

MissLe2 · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 809 **Location:**

nightbloom wrote:

PROMETHEUS, I love you but in this case, I think you are wrong.

Scamming is like that email that everyone gets ever so often. "Send me your bank information so that I can get my 50 million dollars out of the country. Ill give you 1 million for your trouble." It uses greed and making someone think they are getting something for nothing to scam them. Its not outright theft. Many kinds of scams are quite legal. Go to any mall and you will find a little box with a stack of ballot entries on top. They SAY you are being entered into a contest, but really, they are address list builders who sell your information. Amway, the ultimate scam and the original pyramid scheme. Publisher's Clearing House gets thousands of elderly people to buy useless knick-knacks and magazines in the hopes of winning the 100 millions dollar prize while it says in VERY small print that buying doesnt increase your chances. Scamming is not like stealing a car or stealing a purse. Those acts are forceful and lack the cooperation of their victims. Hacking is like stealing. Scamming is usually quite voluntary out of greed or stupidity.

I dont condone the scamming of legits out of principle, but the scamming of botters is a perfectly legitimate way to make a buck and make a bot cry. In my eyes, they dont have the same rights as everyone else who plays and I dont have enough respect for them to care if they get scammed.

sorry dude scamming is still stealing
you take what is not yours, just because the victim helps you dont make it right or not stealing, they expect to get what you promise for the price you promise, if you take more without giving what you promise that is stealing,
scamming as a title just describes the type of stealing is done
someone being greedy or dumb or a bot, dont give you the right to scamm or steal
a apple is an apple, no matter what color or size it is
:twisted:

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

MissLe2 wrote:

nightbloom wrote:

PROMETHEUS, I love you but in this case, I think you are wrong.

Scamming is like that email that everyone gets ever so often. "Send me your bank information so that I can get my 50 million dollars out of the country. Ill give you 1 million for your trouble." It uses greed and making someone think they are getting something for nothing to scam them. Its not outright theft. Many kinds of scams are quite legal. Go to any mall and you will find a little box with a stack of ballot entries on top. They SAY you are being entered into a contest, but really, they are address list builders who sell your information. Amway, the ultimate scam and the original pyramid scheme. Publisher's Clearing House gets thousands of elderly people to buy useless knick-knacks and magazines in the hopes of winning the 100 millions dollar prize while it says in VERY small print that buying doesnt increase your chances. Scamming is not like stealing a car or stealing a purse. Those acts are forceful and lack the cooperation of their victims. Hacking is like stealing. Scamming is usually quite voluntary out of greed or stupidity.

I dont condone the scamming of legits out of principle, but the scamming of botters is a perfectly legitimate way to make a buck and make a bot cry. In my eyes, they dont have the same rights as everyone else who plays and I dont have enough respect for them to care if they get scammed.

sorry dude scamming is still stealing
you take what is not yours, just because the victim helps you dont make it right or not stealing, they expect to get what you promise for the price you promise, if you take more without giving what you promise that is stealing,
scamming as a title just describes the type of stealing is done
someone being greedy or dumb or a bot, dont give you the right to scamm or steal
a apple is an apple, no matter what color or size it is
:twisted:

I probably shouldn't have used a stealing example before. Scamming is not really stealing at all. It is more like ripping someone off. If I offer you 100 million for your shield, and only give you 10 million, I ripped you off. I didn't steal anything from you. I scammed you.

Scamming certainly isn't 'nice' to do, but neither is murder (in game). Is it wrong to set up a bot trap? Is it wrong to run around murdering player bots who don't belong in this game anyway? It's not nice, but they don't deserve 'nice' actions from us.

I know I equated scamming to stealing before, but I can see it is not the same.

Ring · **Joined:** Aug 2008 **Posts:** 109 **Location:** Hell

PR0METHEUS wrote:

MissLe2 wrote:

nightbloom wrote:

PROMETHEUS, I love you but in this case, I think you are wrong.

Scamming is like that email that everyone gets ever so often. "Send me your bank information so that I can get my 50 million dollars out of the country. Ill give you 1 million for your trouble." It uses greed and making someone think they are getting something for nothing to scam them. Its not outright theft. Many kinds of scams are quite legal. Go to any mall and you will find a little box with a stack of ballot entries on top. They SAY you are being entered into a contest, but really, they are address list builders who sell your information. Amway, the ultimate scam and the original pyramid scheme. Publisher's Clearing House gets thousands of elderly people to buy useless knick-knacks and magazines in the hopes of winning the 100 millions dollar prize while it says in VERY small print that buying doesnt increase your chances. Scamming is not like stealing a car or stealing a purse. Those acts are forceful and lack the cooperation of their victims. Hacking is like stealing. Scamming is usually quite voluntary out of greed or stupidity.

I dont condone the scamming of legits out of principle, but the scamming of botters is a perfectly legitimate way to make a buck and make a bot cry. In my eyes, they dont have the same rights as everyone else who plays and I dont have enough respect for them to care if they get scammed.

sorry dude scamming is still stealing
you take what is not yours, just because the victim helps you dont make it right or not stealing, they expect to get what you promise for the price you promise, if you take more without giving what you promise that is stealing,
scamming as a title just describes the type of stealing is done
someone being greedy or dumb or a bot, dont give you the right to scamm or steal
a apple is an apple, no matter what color or size it is
:twisted:

I probably shouldn't have used a stealing example before. Scamming is not really stealing at all. It is more like ripping someone off. If I offer you 100 million for your shield, and only give you 10 million, I ripped you off. I didn't steal anything from you. I scammed you.

Scamming certainly isn't 'nice' to do, but neither is murder (in game). Is it wrong to set up a bot trap? Is it wrong to run around murdering player bots who don't belong in this game anyway? It's not nice, but they don't deserve 'nice' actions from us.

I know I equated scamming to stealing before, but I can see it is not the same.

+1

Stop posting in this thread it's never going to end.....unless people accept that scamming doesn't = Stealing :twisted:

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:06 pm

1. The question asked is stupidly idiot. Go learn some moral lesson plz.
2. @Crumpets, what u said is only partially right.

jarrod · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 708 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

1. The question asked is stupidly idiot. Go learn some moral lesson plz.
2. @Crumpets, what u said is only partially right.

nicely summarized....

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