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Hmm very nice guide, congratz
I was thinking in making a Bowman 90Pacheon/90Fire/90Force/30Ice full str

But is there any really noticeable advantage from Force when grinding?? cuz I think that compared to light, u can get some speed and stuff instead of wasting money in drugs...

I understand the debuffs from Vital Spot are awesome for PVP, but do they work that amazingly in PVE to grind faster???
Just wondering, I don't think many ppl go with Force 90, so i figured i could try it myself and see how it goes, it seems fun

of course you'll move slower than if you had light at 90, but the debuffs do also help with giants, pt champs, & pt giants. (regular pt mobs still seem to die to quickly in a pt, but if ur not go for it.) itd b best to get some moving speed scrolls or a bard for grinding and caping. then use ither those or the drugs or a bard for jobbing. bards give 100% speed now at cap which is just as fast as the highest drug available, so if you ever get into a pt with a capped bard save the moving scrolls and drugs for l8r.

sorry cant pass up the 100% speed buff at 100 cap i believe.

What do you think about

90 pach
90 light
90 force
30 fire

yeea???

Very Very Nice guide it really helped me a lot thx

im not sure what u mean about the first statement, but 100% speed is from bard's or drugs not light.
any bow should have fire and bow as 2 of their capped masteries because u need the phys dmg increase from fire, if you're hybrid then u need light as well for the mag dmg increase. if you're pure after bow & fire u have room for 1 more capped mastery so thats y i said pick light or force with a sub or the other, ice or hueskal. it looks like u want the force so id say bow/fire/force @ 90 and it also looks like u wanted some speed so go for 30 light.

I think that using Light 90 is useless on either hybrid and pure str - i gives 2% more magic damage on 90 than 70, which gives you about 100 dmg per hit or less (yeah so powerfull). Instead there is Ice which gives you very nice buff to physical defence, usefull since 2h warrior/cleric is dominating on 90 level cap, so you can have chance to live until their bless + iron skin stops. My personal build would be:

Hybrid 8:1 or 7:1 (nothing to drastic, you need some more magic defense for strong nukers, but you should be carefull not to lower your critical to much, string Bow critical is a must!)
OR Pure Strenght( to destroy peoples dealing many high damage criticals and having very strong physical defence with ice)

Armor: Garment (20% mana usage decrese is a must for strong mana shield)

90 Bicheon
90 Fire
90 Ice (strong 264 buff to physical defence, and very very usefull 35% mana shield, which you can maintain with full set, gold prem plus and hybrid int gain)
30 Lightning (for 7% magic damage (level 90 gives only 10% more ) and running 37% which allow you to exp easily with garment without buying potions, parry ratio is also decent at 30)

90 Ice is not a necessary, you could go 80, 70 or 60 but dont go lower, you need ! mana shield at hybrid. IMO Mana shield is best defensive skill on chinese character.

Also for characters who plan to use force: Don't. Every high level player uses pills and/or clerics buffs, your status is useless. Moreover if using force 90 would be must (9th degree status), which left you with 30 Ice (20% mana shield) which is to low IMO.

Also:


The 100% speed buff will be at 120 cap, so you have about 2 years to wait for it lol ;p

wow... you haven't put a whole lot of thought into this. first off get your facts straight: the difference between 17% and 19% at 90 is gonna ba hell of a lot different than 100 dmg per hit especially if you're hybrid. ice is bad at 90 for str builds even if theyre hybrid. mike's mp was at 10k mp at 80 cap cus he was hybrid with damn good gear. with only a 40% snow shield he was already running out of mp without spamming vigors occasionally. the only reason any build domiantes right now is because of the lack of pimped gear for every1. remember: 1337 gear + 1337 skills > 1337 gear + crappy skills which is somewhat = to crappy gear + 1337 skills (mike has taken down sun nubs that dont know how to use their builds) > crappy skills + crappy gear. right now not a whole lot of ppl have 1337 gear so its all about the skills. nukers got a new nuke at 83 i believe and 2h warriors just got some really good skills just b4 90 cap that r now really starting to become really powerful. when every1s gear starts to top out at cap again you'll b able to tell whats really good and whats not.
slight hybrid or pure for 90 is best: gg there.
garm for those builds is best: again gg.
but, y would u have 90 bicheon for a bow? it seems as if you read most of the thread, so you should know this is a bow guide and that bow skills r pacheon mastery.
90 fire: agreed, gz u did somthin right again.
90 ice: lemme restate that mike2007's mp running out as hybrid 80 with only 40% snow shield, and youre considering the 53% snow shield @ 90(i can only hope that you typoed that, for your sake). so again 20% is good enough which is attainable with a lvl 30 mastery, remember youre a bow which means u pot a lot, and you can just survive by spamming kb and stun.
about force: not a whole lot of ppl out there will have cleric buffs on in a fair 1v1 fight, and if they do get your own cleric. on top of that fire shield does NOT block them. and only extreme gold buyers will even bother to use the epensive pills that cure debuffs from force skills, and this helps you tank as well since you get the debuff that lowers ur opponents phys & mag atks.i seriously doubt chineese will even get there at 120 cap.

so... yea. come back when you organize your thoughts better, think about y things r the way they r, proofread your post and/or get your facts straight.

Question:
How often do u crit?


How fast do you kill compare to other ppl?


last question, if u pvp with a pure str bow with the same equipment, who would win?

First of, when i read your post I rotfled
I'll let you know that I'm playing with guys all 88 - 90 +5 sets full blue with sun weapons on RedSea and there aren't better players now.


wow... thats right, lets say you have imbue 10.000 damage (which you have not, its max 3k on high level play, and 2% from 10.000 is? 200 damage. gg lmao and i assure you it was tested by players 90 level

Yeah it is right, and i suggested using 35% !! mana shield not 40. You use mana shield which let you play on your gear. I know i will be full set+7/+5 full blue so i don't have your problems

Not quite right, have guys in guild one is 2h/cleric with sun+5 9th degree sun and he wins with every character on ReadSea, SuN or not, even with full set glaveir sun glavie +7. (full str both). Just Bless and Iron Skin are IMBA on 90 cap.


But i duel only with "extreme gold buyers" as you say, and I said on high level play you wont use force.


LOL! You know when i first asked some really experienced people they told me only to make str build pure, and they still say that making Hybrid is a lame idea, but do as you think. Make every good glavier hit you with one crit and one skill and die woth your pathetic low HP and low physical defence


If using ice full buff (264 physical defense) it IS really good choice, especially when your hybrid is slight, not some lame 20k hp max build.


Yeah, little error here sry of course I meaned Pacheon

To Sum up, there are really many builds you could do, but the truth is on levels 90 with good gear only wery few counts, and very rarely hybrids, just don't do things like 3:1 or 4:1 you will see they are crap even with best gear on 90's.

Very nice guide.

proved my point, thnx. but ill say it again cus you lack reading comprehension skills; the only reason any1 is pwning right now is because the gear is unbalanced. i mean i just cant imagine y a guy with a 9d sun is owning every1 on the entire server. hmm... y could that b?
but when it comes down to it u still have the slight extra deffense bonus or slight extra atk bonus + speed/phantom. and it looks insane on a mangyang to have the atk rather than defense. oh and btw sro dmg calculations arent like that cus i just did a test for myself. did about 200-300dmg more on lvl 88 rocky's with the buff than without. seeing as im only 82 with 17% increase and im doing about the same dmg as i do on ppl around 80ish with some 9D pieces as i do the rocky's im going with 90 light over 90 ice.
you originally said max ice to 90, then contradicted yourself on that twice. sure u could use a 35% snow instead of maxed ill give u that, but again id say 35% is still prbly gonna b too big of an mp issue. and u need to proofread your posts b4 u click submit, cus it is about 53ish% at 90 and going with all the other typos u made it made more sense to me that u typoed 35% as 53%.
i seriously doubt any1 on on any server has a full 9d sun set. in fact if its true post a pic of it. on top of that y on earth would u think killing a glavier would impress me? they're way to easy to kill.
then id bet my last dollar youre one of them, and on top of that they dont cape or job much cus theyre pretty much always out botting. force users r extremley useful in jobbing and in ctf matches as well. if the opponent doesnt have cleric buffs on in a group pvp then that usually means the cleric is lazy and wont cure it ither. besides the extra mp u get from force passive will help u with snow shield.
again, you lack reading comprehension skills. i have already stated that hybrids r good for now and til 100 cap. you're really experienced ppl probably told u flat out the best build that won't become obsolete, which is pure. after 100 cap hybrids will start to sacrifice their phys or mag dmg increases. pures wont b affected much. mike still does really well in pvp, but again i already stated i wanted a pure for 100+ caps.
first youre dissing hybrids by claiming pure is best, now youre dissing pures by calling them lame. cant make up your mind or r u just retarded? oh and btw if you're so far hybrid go protector and u wont even need the extra phys def ice gives u.
i know that already, ive played a 2:1 and they stop having enough hp for str builds. and even though they do hit pretty hard the tradeoff wasnt good enough. but because this is the ultimate bow guide it should address every kind of effective bow build, even as far as the 70:70's. *shudders* i still do not see the reason for ice at 90 since u cant use the full snow shield without having mp problems; since the more hybrid you are the more you'll need light for mag dmg increase; and since the more str you are the less you'll actually need the phys def from ice and could go with light for speed/phantom or force for extra mp, juicy debuffs, and healling skills.

I said on the start to go to 90 ICE only for physical buff (maybe slow a little), mana shield should be used on 35%, with full blue garment set and slight hybrid you will maintain it.

About 9th degree, i meaned 9th SuN weapon and full normal set +5 (there are peoples like that becouse i know personally 2 of them and another 2 not personally)

You said that 17% gives you 200 - 300 damage. I agree ! But we are talking about 2% diffrence between 19 and 17 which wont be better than 100 damage. You see there is a very minimal difference between 17 (70 light) and 19 (90 light) which isn't worth investing skill points. More than that, 30, 40, 50 or 60 light (which one you choose, dont take more!) is anaught with %magical.

Force is fun on jobs. Rez is very important. But in 1v1 it does nothing sorry. I prefer not to die more often on pvp.

As to pure domination: You see from the beginning of the silkroad pure str was better on max cap than hybrid. I only recently decided to make slight hybrid for more mana shield (which is life saver, difference between 20% reduction (30 ice) and 35% reduction is must imo. It lowers critical oponents damage for more than 1k!

90 pacheon/ 90 fire / 60lightinig / 60 ice would be also nice on hybrid - little more damage with phantom and grasswalk but ~160 less physical defense and no slow.

I personally go to spot with Speed potions when i need speed, but Bow stands still usually so 37% speed form 30 lightning is decent.

Still thinking about 80ice/40 lightning also, but my point is that 90 light is way too much for to low bonuses.

Hybrid bows are not doomed with 90 cap here.

http://www.wegame.com/watch/lv_89_70_70_Hybrid_Bow_PvP/

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my original statement still stands; the gear is unbalanced. this guy has a +7 bow, the weps on ppl he was fighting were +5 or less, and he/she used snow in a fight against another str that didnt. give it another month then i'll pass judgement.

Yes, the full INT didn't have quad stab.
Yes, the hybrid didn't have Stormcloud.
Yes, the warrior was sub bard and sucked.

But the glaiver seemed to be farmed and had a +7, wasn't using snow shield though. However, looking at the other build's damage, the hybrid is nowhere near dieing.

beating a fully farmed glaiver has never and will never impress me, its always been easy.

good guide but id recomend u use paragraphs

theres a reason i didnt

good guide.

i was makin one, but now i pressed da "abort" button

Make the same for Bicheon

It's good, but it's a little wordy. Would be nice if the walls of text weren't so intimidating. Some of the material is a little too basic, and goes into too much detail. But overall, its better than most other guides. Good job.

Not a bad guide Mike,

If you want to add a 4 gap with prem and sp ticket gets the 720k you need or in my case, STR HYB bow too. 730k

I would also note for PvP tactics

Spam the freeze ground move in Ice, Whatever its called once KD. After you switch to shield, of course.

This gives you a few seconds to Phantom away as its 100%chance frostbite even pilling out it gives you the time you need to escape a pounding and get a strong bow, arrow combo in again.

I learnt this when figthing warriors, works really well.

@Ricooo: i dont have the time, cus of school; energy, cus im sick; or motivation, cus i dislike them, to make a guide for a bladers.

@casey & pasta: ur ideas will b taken into consideration, eventually.

Two other things,

1.Firewall, Stop you getting KD and apparently at cap stops Warlocks Debuffs, Never knew this but should be handy.

2.Autumn Wind Series I know people think its useless, but If I hit a big crit on strong bow and get my arrow series in il always use Autumn series next. Occasionally the time you take to cast and use Devil arrow series can allow them to pot out of danger.

Little Tickle, Using same moves again and again you are relying on chance, AKA. MR Crit. Mix it up, if someone is using snow shield spam with your combo and autumn series. Then use Strong Bow, try to max out there mp.

hey mike its 12lettername from venus or the second tedo on xian but w/e u wanna call me.... on xian i havea lvl 33 ice bower but all my skills r still at 27 so there is time for change if need b my question is... is this a good build and can u tell me pro's can con's of it


90 bow
90 ice
90 light
30 fire
good day =]

sry i forgot to mention that im pure str and to counter my mag difference problem i wear garment

first of all, use a bit of punctuation next time.
secondly bow just like any other str chineese build is nothing without fire at your lvl. both to help counter the low mag deffense and to increase your physical dmg.
bow/fire @ 90 is a must u seem to want both ice and light though as well. theres a couple options u can do ither an easy 1 mastery at 30 and the other at 90 or u can do something more like what fudge has suggested with light at 68 and ice at 52 (not 100% on the exact masteries). the 2nd way gives u a good portion of both speed and deffense. if you went the first and decide ice for 90 id go with force as a sub instead though cus it gives u a slight mp bonus to help with your snowshield; the reason for going light is to have speed/phantom and u wouldnt get that at 30. if you go light 90 though an ice sub is still a decent choice as it still gives a small snow shield at that lvl.

thx for the speedy reply. (note the punctuation there lol)

so maxing fire seems to b a must... im using ice as my imbue and i really want the phantom and grass walk skills. could u tell me what im losing by not making fire maxed?

fire has phys dmg boosters; a passive and a buff. it also has a mag deffense buff and fire wall even if you only had lvl 1 first book is useful for blocking nukes. its the only chineese mastery that has detect skills.