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Foilin · **Posted:** Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:51 pm

Yeah bush did some things that were no good, and it didn't help there was a democratic controlled congress who wanted to see him fail. and yes no way around it, bush did f-up. but dems have done it too.

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

Foilin wrote:

Yeah bush did some things that were no good, and it didn't help there was a democratic controlled congress who wanted to see him fail. and yes no way around it, bush did f-up. but dems have done it too.

And how do you know McCain wont ƒuck up? He has ALREADY made 1000's of mistakes, unlike Bush before 9/11. I mean he has the experience, Bush had the experience.

IMO hes not going to be another bush, he's going to be worst than him. And god forbid he dies, look who we have as president. A bigger idiot than both of em combined.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

The Democratic congress supported Bush.

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

The Democratic congress supported Bush.

Everyone supported Bush at first.

Foilin · **Posted:** Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:04 pm

Blurred wrote:

Foilin wrote:

Yeah bush did some things that were no good, and it didn't help there was a democratic controlled congress who wanted to see him fail. and yes no way around it, bush did f-up. but dems have done it too.

And how do you know McCain wont ƒuck up? He has ALREADY made 1000's of mistakes, unlike Bush before 9/11. I mean he has the experience, Bush had the experience.

IMO hes not going to be another bush, he's going to be worst than him. And god forbid he dies, look who we have as president. A bigger idiot than both of em combined.

We dont, but i would rather take a chance with McCAin than Obama

Du De Wei · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 195 **Location:** the bay

hm lets see...20 bucks says everyone who is voting for mccain mustve been bullied by black people in school so they wont vote obama the other half are stupid

on a lighter note OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!

edit:I bet tonite we see obama winning the popular vote by 5-10% but losing this election I hope it wont happen but I got a bad feeling about this...

izmeister · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1138 **Location:** Yes

Foilin wrote:

cuchulainn wrote:

Let me guess, that first link you just read the list of "Lies" and didn't continue on to the part after that where they are clarified, refuted or unable to find any instance of it actually happening.

Also, Obama was born in Hawaii (in 1961 which is after it became a state), thus making him a citizen.

You just sound like another hate-mongering redneck who is trying to find excuses for his/her racism.

No i read them. and the point was they were untrue, kinda like bending your words to make you look better. And if you cant come up with a birth certificate, no matter who, you dont get certain privileges.

As for the Hate Mongering Racist accusation, No, im not i just dont want Mr.18odays of time in congress to get the presidency. MCpalin have more exp than Obiden. Not to mention the Marxist views of "redistribution of wealth" No thanks, you work for your money, be it through wise investments or busting your ass, you get to keep your money. Who would want to work and be successful if you just have to hand of a good % of it to lazy asses who don't want to work, and leach of the system.

+1 goes to Barotix.

You do know its impossible to run for president if he was not a US natural born citizen, right?

Sae · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 556 **Location:** lol

Foilin wrote:

And if you cant come up with a birth certificate, no matter who, you dont get certain privileges.

I know it might be hard, but why don't you try seeking the truth yourself instead of assuming everything they scream at Palin rallies is fact? That way you might appear remotely intelligent when you debate with others.

Actually, I'm feeling kind today, so I did it for you. Thanks, Sae.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html

Factcheck.org wrote:

The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

Not voting.

Would be content with Obama as president though.

izmeister · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1138 **Location:** Yes

Reise wrote:

Not voting.

Would be content with Obama as president though.

People died to give you the right to vote.

Verfo · **Posted:** Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:42 pm

when does the result come out?

Also i would laugh if Ralph Nader won, then everyone would be like who the hell is that

Grimm-.- · **Posted:** Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:44 pm

Verfo wrote:

when does the result come out?

Also i would laugh if Ralph Nader won, then everyone would be like who the hell is that

Would be funny...
But barely anyone knows about him
And he is barely on any of the state polls.

cuchulainn · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2168 **Location:**

Foilin wrote:

cuchulainn wrote:

Let me guess, that first link you just read the list of "Lies" and didn't continue on to the part after that where they are clarified, refuted or unable to find any instance of it actually happening.

Also, Obama was born in Hawaii (in 1961 which is after it became a state), thus making him a citizen.

You just sound like another hate-mongering redneck who is trying to find excuses for his/her racism.

No i read them. and the point was they were untrue, kinda like bending your words to make you look better. And if you cant come up with a birth certificate, no matter who, you dont get certain privileges.

As for the Hate Mongering Racist accusation, No, im not i just dont want Mr.18odays of time in congress to get the presidency. MCpalin have more exp than Obiden. Not to mention the Marxist views of "redistribution of wealth" No thanks, you work for your money, be it through wise investments or busting your ass, you get to keep your money. Who would want to work and be successful if you just have to hand of a good % of it to lazy asses who don't want to work, and leach of the system.

+1 goes to Barotix.

Experience Tally:
(I'm counting stuff on the state level our above to simplify a tad)
Obama: 3 years in the Senate
Biden: 35 years in the Senate

McCain: 4 years in the House; 11 in the Senate
Palin: Governor of Alaska for 2 years

Which speaks louder, the inexperienced candidate that picks an experienced backup or the relatively experienced candidate who picks an inexperienced backup?

As far the Marxist thing...Do you make over $250,000 a year? No? Then none of your money is being taken away.

cuchulainn · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2168 **Location:**

Grimm-.- wrote:

Verfo wrote:

when does the result come out?

Also i would laugh if Ralph Nader won, then everyone would be like who the hell is that

Would be funny...
But barely anyone knows about him
And he is barely on any of the state polls.

I would hardly say people "barely" know about him. Most people will recall him from the 2000 election. He's national prominence has declined since then, which is why you don't see him in many polls.

MiKe 51-50 · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 1284 **Location:**

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/todays-polls-113-pm-edition.html
Obama has 98.9% chance of winning
Mccain has 1.1% chance of winning

chesticles · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 1978 **Location:**

I voted...Obama/Biden

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

We already practice redistribution of wealth. Taxation is the means by which the State redistributes wealth from one group or individual to another group or individual at the state's discretion. Taxation is the state's way of saying we own you and we own your labor. Drafting is how the state says we own your body. Public Schooling is the means by which the state can dumb down the populace in order to create a compliant workforce. The use of the word workforce should show you the intentions of the state. When you have to pay property tax, vehicle tax, gasoline tax [etc] it basically means the state owns you and everything you make; you are the tool of the state; you are not an individual. Didn't McCain say something about a 300 billion dollar bill that would be used to pay for people's mortgages?

Thomas Jefferson:
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have"

October 12, 2000, McCain on Taxation.
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Obama on McCain
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Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

izmeister wrote:

Reise wrote:

Not voting.

Would be content with Obama as president though.

People died to give you the right to vote.

Well excuse me for missing the registration deadline.

CrimsonNuker · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 13791 **Location:**

Obama won lulz

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

Obama is winning the electoral vote by a lot, and the popular vote, hes leading by 1%

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

WOOOO

EDIT:

175 OBAMA
61 MCCAIN

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

yay obama has 200 mccain 85

70 MORE!!!

BlackFox898 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:11 am

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IguanaRampage · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 2483 **Location:** Changing

cuchulainn wrote:

Grimm-.- wrote:

Verfo wrote:

when does the result come out?

Also i would laugh if Ralph Nader won, then everyone would be like who the hell is that

Would be funny...
But barely anyone knows about him
And he is barely on any of the state polls.

I would hardly say people "barely" know about him. Most people will recall him from the 2000 election. He's national prominence has declined since then, which is why you don't see him in many polls.

+1 to everything cuchulainn has said so far in this thread. Lol. <3 ya

dom · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:50 am

Du De Wei wrote:

hm lets see...20 bucks says everyone who is voting for mccain mustve been bullied by black people in school so they wont vote obama the other half are stupid

What an enlightened remark.

VandalAres · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 70 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

We already practice redistribution of wealth. Taxation is the means by which the State redistributes wealth from one group or individual to another group or individual at the state's discretion. Taxation is the state's way of saying we own you and we own your labor. Drafting is how the state says we own your body. Public Schooling is the means by which the state can dumb down the populace in order to create a compliant workforce. The use of the word workforce should show you the intentions of the state. When you have to pay property tax, vehicle tax, gasoline tax [etc] it basically means the state owns you and everything you make; you are the tool of the state; you are not an individual. Didn't McCain say something about a 300 billion dollar bill that would be used to pay for people's mortgages?

Thomas Jefferson:
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have"

October 12, 2000, McCain on Taxation.
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Obama on McCain
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Lets not forget that hes only raising the tax from 34% to 39%. Hes raising back to where Bill Clinton had it when we had a SURPLUS.
Obama has also said that he will only tax people making 250+ and give tax breaks to small business. It is not the beginning of socialism and Marxism. The taxes that Obama is promoting have been done before!

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