Pearl Harbor

Jstar1 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4757 **Location:**

did anyone know todays the day japan attacked america at pearl harbor??

fena · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4441 **Location:** Life

Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan...

At least a good movie came out of it. xp

Grimjaw · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:37 pm

Yes. Someone in my family commented on it some time ago..

ranger4life · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 2526 **Location:**

BANZAI!!!!!!!

lol.

Squirt · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 8186 **Location:**

An event that actually happened and many lives were lost is a minor holiday. But yet a Mythical fat man in a red suit is one of the most celebrated holidays around.

Grimjaw · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:51 pm

Squirt wrote:

An event that actually happened and many lives were lost is a minor holiday. But yet a Mythical fat man in a red suit is one of the most celebrated holidays around.

Sometimes things are best left in the back of one's head, the only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing. I pray that something like that never occurs again.

On a side note, now I have to think about that song which Fort Minor made, "Kenji."

satman83 · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 9541 **Location:** London

Not really as big as turning point as people would expect

Grimjaw · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:37 pm

Still. It deserves respect and reflection.

Jstar1 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4757 **Location:**

satman83 wrote:

Not really as big as turning point as people would expect

yeah japan screwed up

user · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:53 pm

Jstar1 wrote:

satman83 wrote:

Not really as big as turning point as people would expect

yeah japan screwed up

not as bad as Hitler decided to fck with Mother Russia

Grimjaw · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:10 pm

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

OMFG HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA, ROFLE @ ABOVE

hahaha, sooo focking funny lol

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:38 pm

Grimjaw wrote:

Still. It deserves respect and reflection.

not really, the US sacrifice hundreds of soldiers for an excuse to enter the war...it was a strategic move....

Midori · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3425 **Location:**

Squirt wrote:

But yet a Mythical fat man in a red suit is one of the most celebrated holidays around.

I can not express my reaction in words.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

I love this thread. Oh, and AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

Phaidra · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 1142 **Location:** Not here

It was the day America FINALLY got off there arses and did something to help during the war, before that they just sat back and watched millions die.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

That's because it wasn't any of our business, but we did help the Allied forces before we officially entered the war.

satman83 · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 9541 **Location:** London

Phaidra wrote:

It was the day America FINALLY got off there arses and did something to help during the war, before that they just sat back and watched millions die.

no...no they didnt, in fact they were helping the war effort for a while, using cruise
liners and passenger ships to ferry over supplies and much needed refile to England,
and even after they lost 100's of ships to German U boats they kept on sending over
ships even at the expense of 1000's of lives.

Mr.Ganji · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:26 pm

XemnasXD wrote:

not really, the US sacrifice hundreds of soldiers for an excuse to enter the war...it was a strategic move....

Whether it was for financial gain or not, whether the US really allowed Pearl Harbor to happen or not, I'm sure soon enough some politician would have realized that America would have been ..... once Hitler dominated Europe and Tojo dominated Asia.

They were preparing invasion plans for N. America you know...

Midori · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3425 **Location:**

Mr.Ganji wrote:

XemnasXD wrote:

not really, the US sacrifice hundreds of soldiers for an excuse to enter the war...it was a strategic move....

Whether it was for financial gain or not, whether the US really allowed Pearl Harbor to happen or not, I'm sure soon enough some politician would have realized that America would have been ..... once Hitler dominated Europe and Tojo dominated Asia.

They were preparing invasion plans for N. America you know...

And they wouldn't be successful. America is relatively isolated. Two big ocean on both sides, do you know how hard it is to keep a steady stream of supplies AND commands from that far apart in the 1940s? We would have no problem defending our coast line. And they wouldn't be able to keep their huge empire for long, it wold of crumbled quick, especially if they are focusing on a country thousands of miles away across vast area of water.

user · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:06 pm

Barotix wrote:

That's because it wasn't any of our business, but we did help the Allied forces before we officially entered the war.

Americans didn't want to help because of the number of Americans fighting someone else's war all the way on the other side of the world

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

user wrote:

Barotix wrote:

That's because it wasn't any of our business, but we did help the Allied forces before we officially entered the war.

Americans didn't want to help because of the number of Americans fighting someone else's war all the way on the other side of the world

????

Melez · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:13 pm

Grimjaw · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:26 pm

Let me rephrase it a bit, can anything be more stupid than that a man has the right to kill me because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a quarrel with mine, though I have not quarreled with him? I mean I hate war for its consequences, for the lies it lives on and propagates, for the undying hatreds it arouses, for the dictatorships it puts in the place of democracies, and for the starvation that stalks after it..

When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather then avenge it? Or point out who killed more on what side on what day?

satman83 · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 9541 **Location:** London

The Germans also had plans to invade Brittan, not good plans mind you but plans anyway.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Grimjaw wrote:

Let me rephrase it a bit, can anything be more stupid than that a man has the right to kill me because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a quarrel with mine, though I have not quarreled with him? I mean I hate war for its consequences, for the lies it lives on and propagates, for the undying hatreds it arouses, for the dictatorships it puts in the place of democracies, and for the starvation that stalks after it..

When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? Or point out who killed more on what side on what day?

You might like the libertarian doctrine of non-initiation of force.
@Satman, they had a plan to bomb Britain with counterfeit pounds as a means of bringing them to their knees.

satman83 · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 9541 **Location:** London

Barotix wrote:

Grimjaw wrote:

Let me rephrase it a bit, can anything be more stupid than that a man has the right to kill me because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a quarrel with mine, though I have not quarreled with him? I mean I hate war for its consequences, for the lies it lives on and propagates, for the undying hatreds it arouses, for the dictatorships it puts in the place of democracies, and for the starvation that stalks after it..

When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? Or point out who killed more on what side on what day?

You might like the libertarian doctrine of non-initiation of force.
@Satman, they had a plan to bomb Britain with counterfeit pounds as a means of bringing them to their knees.

Yea...they had a lot of crazy plans

Grimjaw · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:38 pm

Barotix wrote:

You might like the libertarian doctrine of non-initiation of force.

Thank you Baro. :)

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:46 pm

Mr.Ganji wrote:

XemnasXD wrote:

not really, the US sacrifice hundreds of soldiers for an excuse to enter the war...it was a strategic move....

Whether it was for financial gain or not, whether the US really allowed Pearl Harbor to happen or not, I'm sure soon enough some politician would have realized that America would have been ..... once Hitler dominated Europe and Tojo dominated Asia.

They were preparing invasion plans for N. America you know...

this i know....so your point is what....better to sacrifice soldiers like dogs to the japanese then try and effectively make the american people aware the the threat that hitler would eventually pose to us....

not that i don't think this day should be remembered, its my birthday, i couldn't be more mostalgic

Locketart · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2119 **Location:**

Not sure who the greater evil is here, the Japanese who attacked Pearl Harbot and killed a couple thousand soldiers or the U.S. who nuked 2 Japanese cities and killed more than 100,000 civilians.

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