oh, u'r talking about the content. nice ideas then ^_^
butttttttttttt, i have to disagree with this statement below:
Gaige wrote:
Religion is a great practice, stabilizes civilization and prevents humans from doing more aggressive activities.
1 cookies for the reason why
Well, let me guess. I'd say is does almost opposite of stabilise civilisations, and it does not prevent humans from doing aggressive activities (Extremists etc).
Well, I'm an atheist too and I agree with your ideas about death I've read all the posts and I really don't wanna be involved in a religious debate cause from my experience religious people just won't listen what you say to them and accept the facts, they can't explain the simplest of questions. And here a quote that I really like: "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." by Carl Sagan
Well, I'm an atheist too and I agree with your ideas about death I've read all the posts and I really don't wanna be involved in a religious debate cause from my experience religious people just won't listen what you say to them and accept the facts, they can't explain the simplest of questions. And here a quote that I really like: "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." by Carl Sagan
Quote:
they can't explain the simplest of questions
No, not really it's only the really dumb ones, but I can see most atheist are pretty stupid as well.
I read all the posts and as I said before I don't wanna get involved in yet another religious debate cause most religious people can't answer the simplest questions I tell them. The only thing you think you have proved in your post that there 'must be some kind of eternal creator' but it's not the case. If we can't explain how the universe started and how it was before that doesn't mean that there HAS to be a 'good god' who created us, that's only your logical rationalization. As people know, time began when the big bang happened and everything that was before the big bang is just pure assumption and can't be proven at all. All just someones personal ideas.
Well, I'm pretty much into the debate right now, if you THINK you can disprove my argument don't be afraid to post, I will gladly win your arguments with logical thinking and not 'religious thinking' cause a lot of people said to me 'don't think logical, think religious'. That's just plain stupid. Oh and for you saying that most of the atheists are stupid, I have to disagree completely. Most of the atheists know more about christianity or other faiths more than religious people cause atheist took their time to think about their religions, try to understand them, and when they fail to see a point in religion, they become atheists just like I did. Most of the people that try to argue with me have no idea about their religion. I even took my time to read the bible, of course not the whole bible and I have to say it's absurd. So many sick and twisted things in the bible I don't really know where to begin. I hope you all take your time to read my posts, if the debate continues they are all gonna be this long
Or in my words, people need to fill in for what they don't know So we dont how the universe exactly came out=Some external being with cool infinite powers did this cuz we stupid ignorant pieces of shit and cant figure out whats true
You're telling us how death is going to be like, as if you've experienced it.
Read Blurred's post on the first page, that's the same logic I use to go about this subject.
Now, read my post on this page as I disagree with everything that blurred said
I read your post and found nothing convincing whatsoever.
That's what I was saying, you just CAN'T disprove me, you just reject my ideas without having any arguments at all. That's not the kind of debate I like. I wanna see someone at least try to disprove me and not just say 'I read your post and found nothing convincing whatsoever.' Cause from what I see my post is about logical thinking and you just have to think 'religious' and disagree with everything else without making arguments about it.
Atheism does not make any ontological claims - not even on any supernatural being. It's merely a lack of belief in deities - nothing more, nothing less. For an atheist to make ontological claims, or any claims for that matter, they have to reside outside atheism.
Not all atheists subscribe to the theories of evolution. Not all atheists accept the big bang. Not all atheists are pro-choice. Pro-gay marriage. Eat babies. Pastafarians. Dawkins fan boys. Etc. Etc.
Tasdik wrote:
Peradventure atheists are correct, they must explain two things with regards to evolution: the formation of cell and the formation of the proteins to create that cell.
There are hypotheses and perhaps a couple of theories that deal with these. However, they are not conclusive and require more research. Does the fact that we don't know the answer yet, invalidate atheism?
Tasdik wrote:
Now, to say that they randomly formed requires a leap of logic much greater than any creationist as the odds of that happening are highly improbable. Considering that scientists are still desperately attempting to explain how such a thing could have developed naturally, most agree that as our knowledge of the universe stands right now, there must have been some type of an out-of-this world force to create it. Even Richard Dawkins acknowledges this. However, he claims that the out-of-this world force is most likely some type of alien.
As our knowledge of the universe stood more than two thousand years ago, trees created birds and haystacks created snakes. As our knowledge of the universe stood in the seventeenth century, fire was attributed to the elusive element called phlogiston. As our knowledge of the universe stood a hundred years ago, electrons orbited the nucleus like planets orbiting the sun.
As our knowledge of the universe stands right now, there must have been some type of an out-of-this world force to create it.
Tasdik wrote:
With regards to science being a basis for the denial of God, consider that spontaneous generation was once considered scientific "law." If anyone says science has "proven" anything, they're simply wrong in that science can only help draw reasonable conclusions based on known data and can in fact prove nothing as there is an infinite amount of data available. In addition, consider the model of the atom that most of you learned about. I can almost guarantee you that the model you learned about in your high school science class has now been shown to be inaccurate. Consequently, science has thus far even failed to provide an explanation for the most fundamental building block of life, yet atheists claim it can prove the nonexistence of God? Who is really making logical fallacies here?
All the knowledge that science has accumulated is primitive compared to the real information in nature, but it is the best that we have. We could be wrong about it. We could be right. We can never know. But again, this is what we have right now, and we can only do so much with it.
How comfortable does it feel to know that almost everything that has supported you up to now is based in theories, hypotheses, mere relative ideas? It's probably not comforting, but I have gotten over it. If you really want absolute truths, the best I can offer you is in mathematics.
Tasdik wrote:
Who is really making logical fallacies here?
You and your so called argument.
Science has no word on supreme beings and their existence. You can't just say it does and make a gross general statement that all atheists adhere to such beliefs.
I read all the posts and as I said before I don't wanna get involved in yet another religious debate cause most religious people can't answer the simplest questions I tell them. The only thing you think you have proved in your post that there 'must be some kind of eternal creator' but it's not the case. If we can't explain how the universe started and how it was before that doesn't mean that there HAS to be a 'good god' who created us, that's only your logical rationalization. As people know, time began when the big bang happened and everything that was before the big bang is just pure assumption and can't be proven at all. All just someones personal ideas.
What is there to disprove? Blurred's post IMO proves that there had to be some sort of eternal creator whom consists of neither time, space or matter. All I see from your arguement is that you think the eternal creator doesn't have to be a "good god" but instead be a big bang. (This is what I got out of your post, correct me if I may of misread). Are you saying the whatever started the big bang consisted of neither time, space or matter?
I said that we CAN'T argue about what happened before the big bang cause it's just assumption and that's what blurred's post is made of, assumptions. If there is something you can't explain, you just say 'god must have created that'. I see no point in talking like this I gotta hurry, I'm waiting for a real argument of you, not such silly tries
How would you argue the Big bang occured? It couldn't of happened due to atoms colliding as there was no atoms at all until about 300,000 years after the Big bang.
The B.B.T. does not have an explanation for the root cause of the event (just an explanation of what has unfolded since the initial starting point).
Do you agree with this sentence - "Whatever created the universe couldn't of consisted of time, space or matter" ?
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There's nothing to prove, or disprove. Being an athiest doesn't mean looking for the truth in things, it simply means you don't believe. All these people trying to prove every single bit of any scientific theory... why? Just so you can say: "I told you so", and smite the hopes and dreams of many? I honestly don't see the point. Finding the truth in this one will never be any good.
I'm not an athiest, nor am I someone whom goes to church every sunday (I hate the church, and priests telling people what to do, and what to think off). Faith is personal. I probably only know 2% off the bible, and have no desire to know any more. Again, faith is personal. I do like however, to believe in something higher then us, i'd hate to find out that this is it, i'd actually be dissapointed.
I don't like these sorts of writings. They always come at faith from one and the same angle. Faith is more then that. Faith is not just war, blood, terrorism and death, nor is it something that needs to be proven wrong at any cost. Though those words are a huge part of it. Sure, a book telling you how to act, dress and what people to like, is plain retarded. but..
Just think of the people whom have nothing, whom's life turned to shit. Whom have just lost the most precious person in there life. For those people, faith/religion at that point, is keeping them sane. Is comforting them.
This wasn't meant for a debate, I just wante to read lol, see if u liked ^_^
I knew that a debate/flame war would start by just looking at title.
I don't believe in any type of god/higher being that created what we know (to many things that contradict the bible). I do respect ones beliefs, even though i think they're wrong.
Religion is a great practice, stabilizes civilization and prevents humans from doing more aggressive activities. Though I must say all forms of religion is fake. When you read further on to what I have to say, you should agree if you do not fear death anymore.
Religion is fake? How can it be fake when i(and others) believe in it? Religion is something we believe in, you can't tell me it's fake cause i believe in it, got it? I think being Atheist is kind of religion,, cause they believe that God is fake. Don't make threads about religions please.
Religion is a great practice, stabilizes civilization and prevents humans from doing more aggressive activities. Though I must say all forms of religion is fake. When you read further on to what I have to say, you should agree if you do not fear death anymore.
Religion is fake? How can it be fake when i(and others) believe in it? Religion is something we believe in, you can't tell me it's fake cause i believe in it, got it? I think being Atheist is kind of religion,, cause they believe that God is fake. Don't make threads about religions please.
Kind of true. Religion is something that stayed and stays with the humankind over 2 thousand years. If there is no God, or similar, humans are just stupid then.. And, really, stop making religions based threads.
Kind of true. Religion is something that stayed and stays with the humankind over 2 thousand years. If there is no God, or similar, humans are just stupid then.. And, really, stop making religions based threads.
lolwut? So your saying that if there isn't a god we are stupid?
Kind of true. Religion is something that stayed and stays with the humankind over 2 thousand years. If there is no God, or similar, humans are just stupid then.. And, really, stop making religions based threads.
lolwut? So your saying that if there isn't a god we are stupid?
Man X-Laxs stop making quotes please, try to understand before just quoting. Religion is not for discussing, specially not online on forums with people like you!
p.s: read some books about religion if you're soo interested in God.
Kind of true. Religion is something that stayed and stays with the humankind over 2 thousand years. If there is no God, or similar, humans are just stupid then.. And, really, stop making religions based threads.
lolwut? So your saying that if there isn't a god we are stupid?
Yes. If there is no God we are stupid for believing in him for like 2000 years.
If people want to believe in god, LET THEM. Don't try force it upon people to reject religion by calling those who believe in god to be stupid. There is nothing that necessarily proves there is no god (It just seems too out there and bizarre), yet there is nothing to prove there isn't.
If people want to believe in god, LET THEM. Don't try force it upon people to reject religion by calling those who believe in god to be stupid. There is nothing that necessarily proves there is no god (It just seems too out there and bizarre), yet there is nothing to prove there isn't.
If every single religious person realized there is a 'god' on their own, without conforming to a religion, then that would make sense, but right now ... ;s
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