Gaige's Atheist Ideas

/Pi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4592 **Location:**

@Snoopy:

Your initial statement of Agnosticism > Atheism cannot be true. Atheism and agnosticism are entirely different things. The former deals with belief, the latter with knowledge. The least you can say is Agnosticism =/= Atheism.

With that said, you can be agnostic and atheist at the same time as I am. As an atheist, I lack belief in deities. As an agnostic, I also acknowledge that we cannot prove nor disprove their existence.

You can also be a theist and agnostic, theist and non-agnostic, etc. etc.

@Gaige:

You need to calm down.

DonBebek · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 433 **Location:**

@Blurred - I really don't have much to say, Barotix said it all and I completely agree with him.
Do I have to repeat myself again???? I don't really feel like it so I'm gonna sit back and enjoy how some of you try to defend your 'god' without success.

Snoopy · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:26 am

Prophet Izaach wrote:

@Snoopy:

Your initial statement of Agnosticism > Atheism cannot be true. Atheism and agnosticism are entirely different things. The former deals with belief, the latter with knowledge. The least you can say is Agnosticism =/= Atheism.

With that said, you can be agnostic and atheist at the same time as I am. As an atheist, I lack belief in deities. As an agnostic, I also acknowledge that we cannot prove nor disprove their existence.

You can also be a theist and agnostic, theist and non-agnostic, etc. etc.

I do understand what you are saying. I didn't really mean that Agnosticism is better/greater than Atheism - however as I read, most people with the who accept the label as Agnosticism, reject that of Atheism. However everyone knows that Atheism and Agnosticism mean different things to different people in different contexts, though revolve around the same "base" idea.

An Atheist, according to an American Dictionary as a person who denies the existence of a God(s). Where as an Agnostic is a person who is unsure of whether there is a God(s), and is skeptical about the existence of God.

Atheism can then be broken into two parts, Strong Atheism, and Weak Atheism. Weak Atheism being somewhat similar to Agnostic, who lacks belief in God however is unsure, and a Strong Atheism is one who believes for absolute certainty that there is no such thing as a God or Gods.

Hope this makes sense.

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

DonBebek wrote:

@Blurred - I really don't have much to say, Barotix said it all and I completely agree with him.
Do I have to repeat myself again???? I don't really feel like it so I'm gonna sit back and enjoy how some of you try to defend your 'god' without success.

He didn't disprove the existence of god, reread what he wrote please, and neither did you. The only thing you've shown was the downside of religion.

Now, this is for you, here is a quote from my previous topic.

Disprove it.

Quote:

Now, back to the matter, time, and space argument.

If you exist without time, and time is the measure of change, that means you never change, in other words, there is no past, no future, just an eternal NOW. This is why the bible states: Hebrew 13:8 "God is the same yesterday, today and forever" because he has NEVER changed, and he never will change. He is god, he is eternal.

Now, if you exist without matter, that means you are immaterial, meaning you cant be touched, you cant be seen, you cant be smelled or tasted.

If you exist without space, your are inspacial, or omnipresent, you are everywhere, your not bound by spacial restrictions.

OK, something eternal, omnipresent, and immaterial, created matter, time, and space.

We all know matter, time, and space were created, and the only thing that can create matter, time, and space is something that has always existed without matter, time, and space which are the properties of a god..

Something without matter, time, and space means that it has to be omnipresent, has to be everywhere, and not restricted by spacial restrictions what is this?

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

...But we're not trying to disprove "god". We're asking you to prove it. It is your role as the believer to prove it; it is not the role of the ignorant or uniformed to disprove the existence of your higher power.

Fact is you can't support it otherwise you wouldn't need faith.

<<Gaige Warned>>

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

...But we're not trying to disprove "god". We're asking you to prove it. It is your role as the believer to prove it; it is not the role of the ignorant or uniformed to disprove the existence of your higher power.

Fact is you can't support it otherwise you wouldn't need faith.

<<Gaige Warned>>

You aren't trying to disprove god, he however was. Evolutionist can't really prove evolution, or the big bang, so it goes both ways.

noobert mclagg · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:54 am

Does it really matter if people who believe in God can prove it or not? Even if they can't and God doesn't exist what will u get out of it? The chance to say "Haha I told you so" and life goes on, because i guarantee that even if u can prove that God doesn't exist people will still believe in their religion. Why can't everyone just let people believe in what they want to believe and not tell them they are wrong? The fact is no one can prove or disprove that God exists but people like Grange who hav there head so far up there ass and flat telling people that what they believe in are wrong and they are right are stupid. So I will once again I will give u a scenario: What if there was solid scientific proof that God did exist and u were wrong? How would u like it if I shouted in your face HAHAHAH U WERE WRONG U STUPID SON OF A B17CH, U WEAK MINDED FOOL.

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

Blurred wrote:

We all know matter, time, and space were created, and the only thing that can create matter, time, and space is something that has always existed without matter, time, and space which are the properties of a god..

Something without matter, time, and space means that it has to be omnipresent, has to be everywhere, and not restricted by spacial restrictions what is this?

no, we don't know matter, time, and space were created. that's the problem. we assume it was created because everyone has to believe that there was a start. ppl just can't comprehend something without limits. that's why we as a species always, ALWAYS, have classifications for everything. we classify mammals as blah blah, while things that don't fit within that framework are classified as something else. sure, we broaden those classifications so that we can fit two different groups into one larger group, which is then part of a larger whole. it's a very simplistic view of the universe, but that's us, people split into ethnic groups, split between color of the skin, split between where u live, split between language barriers etc.

pluto's not a planet anymore? come fking on. science really pisses me off sometimes.

but at the same time, god? lmao, don't get me started on that idea. it's ok though. i'll let you live your life if you let me live mine.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:21 am

this dance again....

Atheist cannot disprove the existence of god, better men than those on this forum have tried.

Theist cannot prove the existence of god, better men than those on this forum have tried.

asking someone to prove or disprove something like that is hypocritical and as of now impossible. The best we can do is ask atheist and theist to continually challenge there beliefs and and not press there thoughts on one another...religion has its pros and cons as does atheism. Like light and dark, faith and knowledge should exist in peaceful balance. A problem only occurs when one group thinks its belief superior to the other and tries to get others to see things there way no matter what the cost or evidence to the contrary...

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

The universe is too vast and complex to be completely explained and understood.

Scientific theories and religion are placeholders.

If you need a god to tell you to live your life virtuously you are a failure.

If you're religious or atheist and you can't accept that other people will/will not submit themselves to a belief created by mankind to explain existence, you're also a failure.

Truth is truth, it'll come eventually. And not one human being who has ever existed in the history of mankind has yet seen what that truth is. The best we can do is make educated guesses, or have faith.

Stop this god damned thread already.

Ichimaru420 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2778 **Location:** quit

XemnasXD wrote:

this dance again....

Atheist cannot disprove the existence of god, better men than those on this forum have tried.

Theist cannot prove the existence of god, better men than those on this forum have tried.

asking someone to prove or disprove something like that is hypocritical and as of now impossible. The best we can do is ask atheist and theist to continually challenge there beliefs and and not press there thoughts on one another...religion has its pros and cons as does atheism. Like light and dark, faith and knowledge should exist in peaceful balance. A problem only occurs when one group thinks its belief superior to the other and tries to get others to see things there way no matter what the cost or evidence to the contrary...

+1 I agree 100%

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

Blurred wrote:

Barotix wrote:

...But we're not trying to disprove "god". We're asking you to prove it. It is your role as the believer to prove it; it is not the role of the ignorant or uniformed to disprove the existence of your higher power.

Fact is you can't support it otherwise you wouldn't need faith.

<<Gaige Warned>>

You aren't trying to disprove god, he however was. Evolutionist can't really prove evolution, or the big bang, so it goes both ways.

errr,

Quote:

So, we come to the arguments that say 'you can't disprove god's existence'. Of course I can't, I'm just stating the facts that show he doesn't exist.

So AFAHK nothing supports it's existence hence the faith element. He wasn't trying to disprove it.

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

TOloseGT wrote:

Blurred wrote:

We all know matter, time, and space were created, and the only thing that can create matter, time, and space is something that has always existed without matter, time, and space which are the properties of a god..

Something without matter, time, and space means that it has to be omnipresent, has to be everywhere, and not restricted by spacial restrictions what is this?

no, we don't know matter, time, and space were created. that's the problem. we assume it was created because everyone has to believe that there was a start. ppl just can't comprehend something without limits. that's why we as a species always, ALWAYS, have classifications for everything. we classify mammals as blah blah, while things that don't fit within that framework are classified as something else. sure, we broaden those classifications so that we can fit two different groups into one larger group, which is then part of a larger whole. it's a very simplistic view of the universe, but that's us, people split into ethnic groups, split between color of the skin, split between where u live, split between language barriers etc.

pluto's not a planet anymore? come fking on. science really pisses me off sometimes.

but at the same time, god? lmao, don't get me started on that idea. it's ok though. i'll let you live your life if you let me live mine.

No

Matter, time, and space HAD to be created because there finite, not infinite. They didn't always exist thus making matter, time, and space finite.

(Read my post in the first page, and the rest of my posts please. I already explained this.)

SoAyame · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 694 **Location:**

LOL this thread still going down that bad but awesome at the sametime.

Blurred wrote:

TOloseGT wrote:

Blurred wrote:

We all know matter, time, and space were created, and the only thing that can create matter, time, and space is something that has always existed without matter, time, and space which are the properties of a god..

Something without matter, time, and space means that it has to be omnipresent, has to be everywhere, and not restricted by spacial restrictions what is this?

no, we don't know matter, time, and space were created. that's the problem. we assume it was created because everyone has to believe that there was a start. ppl just can't comprehend something without limits. that's why we as a species always, ALWAYS, have classifications for everything. we classify mammals as blah blah, while things that don't fit within that framework are classified as something else. sure, we broaden those classifications so that we can fit two different groups into one larger group, which is then part of a larger whole. it's a very simplistic view of the universe, but that's us, people split into ethnic groups, split between color of the skin, split between where u live, split between language barriers etc.

pluto's not a planet anymore? come fking on. science really pisses me off sometimes.

but at the same time, god? lmao, don't get me started on that idea. it's ok though. i'll let you live your life if you let me live mine.

No

Matter, time, and space HAD to be created because there finite, not infinite. They didn't always exist thus making matter, time, and space finite.

(Read my post in the first page, and the rest of my posts please. I already explained this.)

You forgot about dimension there are plenty. Albert Eisten said time is an illusion and everything is happening at once. I find that very very hard to believe all that stuff is control but the universe. Time space and matter can be warped by gravity the heavy the gravity the more time space gets warps thus making time travel alittle possible but of course for time travel to work u would get ripped apart then put back together. O time travel already been made with neutrons and protrons. I look at Atheist ppl that have no hope and that are narrow minded but then they will say I'm the same. Yin-Yang ftw i believe that we are much more then flesh we have souls( ghosts and dont gimme that bs they don't exist i then seen and talk to them even my father believe or dont) In the end maybe the universe just happen but either way the "Universe" would be God because it created the planet.

Crazy huh? Sry for grammar i'm tired xD

Tasdik · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 13206 **Location:** Life

Gaige wrote:

i dont even know why this is a debate, religion IS FAKE PEOPLE how many times do I need to say this? Ask this to urself, why do you want a religion, so some mystical creature can watch over u, heal u, save u, give u what u want? sry people, FACE REALITY, god or anything doesnt exist! nothing can exist that defies the laws of the universe!!!!!! NOTHING DAMNIT! I TELL U NOTHING!
Any of u ppl who believe in God are weak minded individuals : Reasons why u wont believe:
Fear of Death
Fear to change
Don't want to believe that u will die
Wont be protected
No hope for eternal life

YOU KNOW WHY WE WANT ETERNAL LIFE, cuz its our instincts
And what i especially hate about the bible is that it trys to tell you that your instincts are wrong when in fact its the bullshit lying son of a ......ing bitch
God doesnt exist ppl, get over it, i have and im 16, if i can, u can as well
Why need a "god" when we can do w/e we want.
(e.g. God lives in the stars. Well we went to the moon, and back in ancient times those were the so-called heavens")
We can do anything our universe lets us ok ppl OK
Now u wonder what makes the laws for the universe, well i dont know, but see thing is, I'm not going to say there is a God cuz I don't know, I'll just admit to it

Friendly word of advice. Don't write a book.

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

Blurred wrote:

No

Matter, time, and space HAD to be created because there finite, not infinite. They didn't always exist thus making matter, time, and space finite.

(Read my post in the first page, and the rest of my posts please. I already explained this.)

no

ur explanations are theories. the fact is no one knows whether our universe is finite or not, or whether there was a time before the big bang. it's unknowable. we're just playing in the sandbox of infinite theories because that's all we can do.

SoAyame · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 694 **Location:**

Gaige wrote:

i dont even know why this is a debate, religion IS FAKE PEOPLE how many times do I need to say this? Ask this to urself, why do you want a religion, so some mystical creature can watch over u, heal u, save u, give u what u want? sry people, FACE REALITY, god or anything doesnt exist! nothing can exist that defies the laws of the universe!!!!!! NOTHING DAMNIT! I TELL U NOTHING!
Any of u ppl who believe in God are weak minded individuals : Reasons why u wont believe:
Fear of Death
Fear to change
Don't want to believe that u will die
Wont be protected
No hope for eternal life

YOU KNOW WHY WE WANT ETERNAL LIFE, cuz its our instincts
And what i especially hate about the bible is that it trys to tell you that your instincts are wrong when in fact its the bullshit lying son of a ......ing bitch
God doesnt exist ppl, get over it, i have and im 16, if i can, u can as well
Why need a "god" when we can do w/e we want.
(e.g. God lives in the stars. Well we went to the moon, and back in ancient times those were the so-called heavens")
We can do anything our universe lets us ok ppl OK
Now u wonder what makes the laws for the universe, well i dont know, but see thing is, I'm not going to say there is a God cuz I don't know, I'll just admit to it

Rofl dude rofl. You the one that sound weak minded letting other ppl opinions get to u. Should i kick it up at few for ya.Atheist or yourself don't believe in a Higher Power either it be urself or God. Yet there is no way the universe an infinite source of energy is just here I mean maybe the way religious ppl have it all wrong but someone something made the universe. Since something made it it can defy the laws of the universe. Another thing i feel the same way about super religion ppl but i know their is a higher power. A God is a creator right? So wouldnt all of us be Gods of "Our lives." Humans are creators not limited by anything. As far as the universe with billions of galaxies stars that make our Sun look like half of Pluto. There is no way something infinite just pop up one day. Point Blank

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:54 am

Tasdik wrote:

Gaige wrote:

i dont even know why this is a debate, religion IS FAKE PEOPLE how many times do I need to say this? Ask this to urself, why do you want a religion, so some mystical creature can watch over u, heal u, save u, give u what u want? sry people, FACE REALITY, god or anything doesnt exist! nothing can exist that defies the laws of the universe!!!!!! NOTHING DAMNIT! I TELL U NOTHING!
Any of u ppl who believe in God are weak minded individuals : Reasons why u wont believe:
Fear of Death
Fear to change
Don't want to believe that u will die
Wont be protected
No hope for eternal life

YOU KNOW WHY WE WANT ETERNAL LIFE, cuz its our instincts
And what i especially hate about the bible is that it trys to tell you that your instincts are wrong when in fact its the bullshit lying son of a ......ing bitch
God doesnt exist ppl, get over it, i have and im 16, if i can, u can as well
Why need a "god" when we can do w/e we want.
(e.g. God lives in the stars. Well we went to the moon, and back in ancient times those were the so-called heavens")
We can do anything our universe lets us ok ppl OK
Now u wonder what makes the laws for the universe, well i dont know, but see thing is, I'm not going to say there is a God cuz I don't know, I'll just admit to it

Friendly word of advice. Don't write a book.

don't even write an essay. In fact, you should probably just delete your first post and act like this never happened.

DonBebek · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 433 **Location:**

@Blurred - as Barotix quoted my post, I CANNOT disprove your god, like you CANNOT disprove 'The Flying Spaghetti Monster'.
And I really can't disprove someones own theories that they made up, it's pointless

iGod · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 3728 **Location:**

lol @ atheistic evangelism

izmeister · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1138 **Location:** Yes

Woah deja vu

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TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

rabble rabble rabble

Mr.Ganji · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:23 pm

Reise wrote:

Stop this god damned thread already.

Believer · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 36 **Location:** Neverland

Hi Tasdik

What's up?

@Gaige
I'm 16 and I believe from all of my heart, and act accordingly. I can write two pages of explanations, containing my own experience and showing my soul to you all, to prove why I believe, but I won't do it. There's no point to argue.

As Reise said, stop this thread already.

Doppleganger · **Posted:** Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:27 am

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I'm lovin the music.

DonBebek · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 433 **Location:**

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
~ Marcus Aurelius

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