The Offical 10D Discussion

_EagleEye_ · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 242 **Location:**

i think for Chinese its gonna stay 300 mastery.. like on 120 masteries should be 120-120-60...

Strwarrior · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 3799 **Location:** ....

advisor wrote:

i think for Chinese its gonna stay 300 mastery.. like on 120 masteries should be 120-120-60...

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
i hope they make it more xD

ints will get pwned with out that huge snow shield
they now pwn....
at 100cap they will pwn MORE
but after that it will be less N less if they dont make it more

Strwarrior · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 3799 **Location:** ....

The new bower Strong bow look so nice

and the 60% snow will be great too

i think the that the only thing will be able to rape the bow(not from another bow or rouge)
is to keep spamming KDS (chinese blader or s/s)

Panu · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 3536 **Location:** Around

Strwarrior wrote:

The new bower Strong bow look so nice

and the 60% snow will be great too

i think the that the only thing will be able to rape the bow(not from another bow or rouge)
is to keep spamming KDS (chinese blader or s/s)

60% snow is a bit too much, they even showed an int spear having troubles against a glavier and a blader

MKDS_PoKE · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 72 **Location:**

10D's look awesome =]

Strwarrior · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 3799 **Location:** ....

_Panu_ wrote:

Strwarrior wrote:

The new bower Strong bow look so nice

and the 60% snow will be great too

i think the that the only thing will be able to rape the bow(not from another bow or rouge)
is to keep spamming KDS (chinese blader or s/s)

60% snow is a bit too much, they even showed an int spear having troubles against a glavier and a blader

cuz most of the spears are hybrid.. im sure that guy isnt pure int
well.. i think 60% will be good just put ur mp auto to 80% or more

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

Strwarrior wrote:

The new bower Strong bow look so nice

and the 60% snow will be great too

i think the that the only thing will be able to rape the bow(not from another bow or rouge)
is to keep spamming KDS (chinese blader or s/s)

I don't see how the 6 combo will be useful when fight another str. Chinese...if for whatever reason bower decide to use consecutive combo again another str...I don't' see how they will win...

Bladers can use constant kd/stab like they always do.
glavier main advantage is stun..u can't pot or do anything and when using the New flying dragon even if the bowers kb the glavier u will STILL get hit by the 2nd hit of flying dragon while still been kb and brings u closer to the bower at the same time.

In group fights it will be very helpful as support...or versus warriors I guess by spamming kb..till there bless/skins ends...probably pure int too..they can still kd though.
a skill warrior shouldn't have much trouble either if they use the axe skill that has a VERY high chance of stun and add bleeds>>>>weapon switch to 2hand spring assault..another high chance of stunning as well...opportunity to land Dare Devil

we just have to wait and see

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:11 am

MKDS_PoKE wrote:

10D's look awesome =]

Only the bow & spear, rest doesnt like that good to me :p

The staff looks like a fork to me >.>

willieb3 · **Posted:** Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:42 pm

bow may be good becasue of there ability to spam kb then your strong bow attack i dont think they would be very good against another str though becuase they dont hit high enough unless they get a crit and they dont really have thaat much defense either from what ive seen they are a simple 3 hits for a glavier (flying dragon, sss , ghost spear) but the bow probably has the best skills

_EagleEye_ · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 242 **Location:**

i doubt they will increase chinese mastery... :banghead:

Strwarrior · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 3799 **Location:** ....

advisor wrote:

i doubt they will increase chinese mastery... :banghead:

yea,,, make it 400.... XD
or
x3 the lvl of the char
______________________

Any way.. we dont need it now... we need it @110 cap

reyboy7 · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 114 **Location:**

as far as i concern about the 100 cap that soon will be open there is really no point of knowing what is the best build rather how are we going to enjoy the game.
i saw a lot of PVPing and i can't even decide what build is really strong because every build has weakness against other build. i saw one time pvp a pure str blade+5 with +5 set vs sosun bow+5 with sosun set +5 and i thought blader will be lost but becoz blader spam KD and stab after putting those statuses ofcourse blader win maybe by chance but still he has chance against sosun set users.
You can only be strong if you knw how to fight and use your skill properly with perfect timing ofcourse.
Some players rely on their sosun set and during PVP there just pressing all skills randomly. Timing of execution + knowledge of skills + knowing the weakness of enemy = owning.

HAPPY NEW YEAR to ALL :arrow:

Strwarrior · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 3799 **Location:** ....

reyboy7 wrote:

as far as i concern about the 100 cap that soon will be open there is really no point of knowing what is the best build rather how are we going to enjoy the game.
i saw a lot of PVPing and i can't even decide what build is really strong because every build has weakness against other build. i saw one time pvp a pure str blade+5 with +5 set vs sosun bow+5 with sosun set +5 and i thought blader will be lost but becoz blader spam KD and stab after putting those statuses ofcourse blader win maybe by chance but still he has chance against sosun set users.
You can only be strong if you knw how to fight and use your skill properly with perfect timing ofcourse.
Some players rely on their sosun set and during PVP there just pressing all skills randomly. Timing of execution + knowledge of skills + knowing the weakness of enemy = owning.

HAPPY NEW YEAR to ALL :arrow:

+1
Agree

_EagleEye_ · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 242 **Location:**

reyboy7 wrote:

as far as i concern about the 100 cap that soon will be open there is really no point of knowing what is the best build rather how are we going to enjoy the game.
i saw a lot of PVPing and i can't even decide what build is really strong because every build has weakness against other build. i saw one time pvp a pure str blade+5 with +5 set vs sosun bow+5 with sosun set +5 and i thought blader will be lost but becoz blader spam KD and stab after putting those statuses ofcourse blader win maybe by chance but still he has chance against sosun set users.
You can only be strong if you knw how to fight and use your skill properly with perfect timing ofcourse.
Some players rely on their sosun set and during PVP there just pressing all skills randomly. Timing of execution + knowledge of skills + knowing the weakness of enemy = owning.

HAPPY NEW YEAR to ALL :arrow:

agreed not like some nubs who do knock down like 8-10k but dont spam it... if i ever pvp and see i do knock down 7k+ il spam it the whole pvp

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

Strwarrior wrote:

advisor wrote:

i doubt they will increase chinese mastery... :banghead:

yea,,, make it 400.... XD
or
x3 the lvl of the char
______________________

Any way.. we dont need it now... we need it @110 cap

how about no mastery limit so every1 can remake there build..pvlfarm at ongs for 10mil SP and get Glavie/blader/bower skill+ all 4 force mastery

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:52 pm

Ragnorak wrote:

Strwarrior wrote:

advisor wrote:

i doubt they will increase chinese mastery... :banghead:

yea,,, make it 400.... XD
or
x3 the lvl of the char
______________________

Any way.. we dont need it now... we need it @110 cap

how about no mastery limit so every1 can remake there build..pvlfarm at ongs for 10mil SP and get Glavie/blader/bower skill+ all 4 force mastery

YEAH INDEED THE WIZARD/WARLOCK/BARD/CLERIC will pwn OMG OMG OMG. xD

And what about a warrior/cleric/warlock ^^

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

Ragnorak wrote:

Strwarrior wrote:

The new bower Strong bow look so nice

and the 60% snow will be great too

i think the that the only thing will be able to rape the bow(not from another bow or rouge)
is to keep spamming KDS (chinese blader or s/s)

I don't see how the 6 combo will be useful when fight another str. Chinese...if for whatever reason bower decide to use consecutive combo again another str...I don't' see how they will win...

Bladers can use constant kd/stab like they always do.
glavier main advantage is stun..u can't pot or do anything and when using the New flying dragon even if the bowers kb the glavier u will STILL get hit by the 2nd hit of flying dragon while still been kb and brings u closer to the bower at the same time.

In group fights it will be very helpful as support...or versus warriors I guess by spamming kb..till there bless/skins ends...probably pure int too..they can still kd though.
a skill warrior shouldn't have much trouble either if they use the axe skill that has a VERY high chance of stun and add bleeds>>>>weapon switch to 2hand spring assault..another high chance of stunning as well...opportunity to land Dare Devil

we just have to wait and see

A bower's KB has a canceling effect. There is no second hit with the new flyin dragon while getting knocked back. There probably isn't any first either..once the bower's Knock back occurs b4 the glavier throws his glavie, the throwing is cancelled and he/she gets pushed back.

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

BuDo wrote:

Ragnorak wrote:

Strwarrior wrote:

The new bower Strong bow look so nice

and the 60% snow will be great too

i think the that the only thing will be able to rape the bow(not from another bow or rouge)
is to keep spamming KDS (chinese blader or s/s)

I don't see how the 6 combo will be useful when fight another str. Chinese...if for whatever reason bower decide to use consecutive combo again another str...I don't' see how they will win...

Bladers can use constant kd/stab like they always do.
glavier main advantage is stun..u can't pot or do anything and when using the New flying dragon even if the bowers kb the glavier u will STILL get hit by the 2nd hit of flying dragon while still been kb and brings u closer to the bower at the same time.

In group fights it will be very helpful as support...or versus warriors I guess by spamming kb..till there bless/skins ends...probably pure int too..they can still kd though.
a skill warrior shouldn't have much trouble either if they use the axe skill that has a VERY high chance of stun and add bleeds>>>>weapon switch to 2hand spring assault..another high chance of stunning as well...opportunity to land Dare Devil

we just have to wait and see

A bower's KB has a canceling effect. There is no second hit with the new flyin dragon while getting knocked back. There probably isn't any first either..once the bower's Knock back occurs b4 the glavier throws his glavie, the throwing is cancelled and he/she gets pushed back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXbiGowI7Sw
1:55-2:05 seems to be like the glavier is been kb while bower still getting hit by flying dragon.

I"m sure I seen another video somewhere where its more obvious

_EagleEye_ · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 242 **Location:**

the flying dragon isnt as fast as i thought.. he trows and waits and trows.. i thought it would be like trow trow no wait

JoyFax · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 1095 **Location:** PORTUGAL

JKMB wrote:

Bicheon gets gimped at some point in time, look at kSro, they are all glaivers or hybrid spear nukers, its rare to see a bicheon user, bowman or euro in their vids. :/

I see a lot of bows and euros, but yes, there are too many glaviers.

JoyFax · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 1095 **Location:** PORTUGAL

Ragnorak wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXbiGowI7Sw
1:55-2:05 seems to be like the glavier is been kb while bower still getting hit by flying dragon.

I"m sure I seen another video somewhere where its more obvious

btw, is it just me or strongbow gets faster?

Ichimaru420 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2778 **Location:** quit

JoyFax wrote:

Ragnorak wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXbiGowI7Sw
1:55-2:05 seems to be like the glavier is been kb while bower still getting hit by flying dragon.

I"m sure I seen another video somewhere where its more obvious

btw, is it just me or strongbow gets faster?

Yeh this new book of Strong Bow does seem a lil bit faster..I can't wait till 10d to be honest

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

Ragnorak wrote:

BuDo wrote:

Ragnorak wrote:

I don't see how the 6 combo will be useful when fight another str. Chinese...if for whatever reason bower decide to use consecutive combo again another str...I don't' see how they will win...

Bladers can use constant kd/stab like they always do.
glavier main advantage is stun..u can't pot or do anything and when using the New flying dragon even if the bowers kb the glavier u will STILL get hit by the 2nd hit of flying dragon while still been kb and brings u closer to the bower at the same time.

In group fights it will be very helpful as support...or versus warriors I guess by spamming kb..till there bless/skins ends...probably pure int too..they can still kd though.
a skill warrior shouldn't have much trouble either if they use the axe skill that has a VERY high chance of stun and add bleeds>>>>weapon switch to 2hand spring assault..another high chance of stunning as well...opportunity to land Dare Devil

we just have to wait and see

A bower's KB has a canceling effect. There is no second hit with the new flyin dragon while getting knocked back. There probably isn't any first either..once the bower's Knock back occurs b4 the glavier throws his glavie, the throwing is cancelled and he/she gets pushed back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXbiGowI7Sw
1:55-2:05 seems to be like the glavier is been kb while bower still getting hit by flying dragon.

I"m sure I seen another video somewhere where its more obvious

That which you see is a result of of the bower's KB and the glavier's flying dragon executing simultaneously. It happens even now. I'm sure you've seen (Like most of us have) a glavier getting knocked back while he's using his own knock back skill (That spin move glaviers do..sorry I dont remember the name). Or a glavier using his stun attack and having his damage registered while he got pushed back by a bower. Those are a result of the 2 opponents doing their attacks at the exact same time. A micro second separation results in a cancelling effect by either the bower or the glavier on each other. I'm sure in that video there were times when the glavier used flying dragon but it got cancelled.

_EagleEye_ · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 242 **Location:**

JoyFax wrote:

JKMB wrote:

Bicheon gets gimped at some point in time, look at kSro, they are all glaivers or hybrid spear nukers, its rare to see a bicheon user, bowman or euro in their vids. :/

I see a lot of bows and euros, but yes, there are too many glaviers.

alot of glavers cuz they need the least farming only need to farm like 500-600k sp for 100 FF

Strwarrior · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 3799 **Location:** ....

advisor wrote:

JoyFax wrote:

JKMB wrote:

Bicheon gets gimped at some point in time, look at kSro, they are all glaivers or hybrid spear nukers, its rare to see a bicheon user, bowman or euro in their vids. :/

I see a lot of bows and euros, but yes, there are too many glaviers.

alot of glavers cuz they need the least farming only need to farm like 500-600k sp for 100 FF

lucky glaviers...

do u know about the s/s cold light?

_EagleEye_ · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 242 **Location:**

Strwarrior wrote:

advisor wrote:

alot of glavers cuz they need the least farming only need to farm like 500-600k sp for 100 FF

lucky glaviers...

do u know about the s/s cold light?

what do you mean, the sp?

Strwarrior · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 3799 **Location:** ....

advisor wrote:

Strwarrior wrote:

advisor wrote:

alot of glavers cuz they need the least farming only need to farm like 500-600k sp for 100 FF

lucky glaviers...

do u know about the s/s cold light?

what do you mean, the sp?

yes

[TS]=Hark=[TS] · **Posted:** Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:23 pm

YangKang wrote:

Nitro wrote:

YangKang wrote:

100 weapon 80 fire 80 light 40 ice, which would cost the blade damage.

No it wouldnt, if blader is full STR... Imbue doesnt effect the damage much. (I mean, first level imbue is almost the same as last imbue)

So you want say that the damage between a imbue of 98 and 1 wouldnt be much? Even for a full STR, this would be a difference of 1k damage and 1k damage DOES affect the strenght of a blader.

About other builds -
For hybrid INT spear I'd go 100 heuksal 100 light 89 cold 11 fire.
Bow STR I'd go 100 bow 80 fire 80 light 40 ice

psshhh i would go 100 bow 100 light 80 fire 20 cold (snow sheild lvl 1 for tough spots when you dont want to die, just sit there lol)

Panu · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 3536 **Location:** Around

[TS]=Hark=[TS] wrote:

psshhh i would go 100 bow 100 light 80 fire 20 cold (snow sheild lvl 1 for tough spots when you dont want to die, just sit there lol)

why 100 light? from 90 - 100 there is barely and increase in buffs/dmg from 100 light.

[TS]=Hark=[TS] · **Posted:** Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:45 pm

_Panu_ wrote:

[TS]=Hark=[TS] wrote:

psshhh i would go 100 bow 100 light 80 fire 20 cold (snow sheild lvl 1 for tough spots when you dont want to die, just sit there lol)

why 100 light? from 90 - 100 there is barely and increase in buffs/dmg from 100 light.

whats the advantage of 90-100 fire?

btw: female 10d bower in garms... omg thats so sexy.

most of the bowers in the vids just spam KB and and strong bow, i mean if they are stuned why would you continue to KB? seems like random key pressing to me. once they are stuned use like anti devil or something then a berzerker arrow, crit on zerker arrow after a strongbow and anti devil and they are sure to be dead.

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