A letter from GameGuard

.curve · **Posted:** Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:17 am

makanudo wrote:

aznshadow wrote:

Quote:

They don't say anywhere that GameGuard will work in game. They splash the logo, allowing you to see that it's there. Not necessarily that it's working.

By displaying the GameGuard logo, they are stating they are USING the GameGuard client itself. By displaying the logo and not actually including the GameGuard is fraudulent use of products. It's like buying a computer with AVG Anti-Virus but it only displays the logo for AVG, without actually having the real thing implemented making it seem as though AVG's product is a piece of shit.

This.

Interpret it how you want. They don't explicitly state that GameGuard will be active.

Edit:
Sure, that logo is pretty suggestive. They also suggested that they would take a firm stance against bots. That they were continually doing their best to ensure a smooth gaming experience. Wait...

makanudo · **Posted:** Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:26 am

Yeah and maybe they are trying but if gameguard is not active and they are advertising it as if it was then its pretty much fraud

duhovnik · **Joined:** Jan 2009 **Posts:** 79 **Location:**

you could have asked what they want to do with it :!:

iscared · **Joined:** Jan 2009 **Posts:** 715 **Location:**

Sleepy wrote:

They sound as incompetent and clueless as JoyMax to me...

Why would they ask you to send them files lol? Surely such a company would know what they provide or at least download the client to check...

Joymax could of editted the GG files, then canceled the subscription of GG, meaning they got a free anti hack..

but um..this will bring peoples FPS up a little because GG does run in the backround with a little MU being used.

dorkus · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 151 **Location:**

so basically EVERYONE else knew silkroad was using a fake GameGuard EXCEPT for the people that make GameGuard?

i just assumed they didnt care. im sure joymax pays them to use their name anyway, and thats all it is really about in the end.

Launger · **Joined:** Mar 2009 **Posts:** 106 **Location:**

Joymax is in a stalemate now, if they accept gameguards client, it will easily block the bot programs, but then joymax will lose bots. So we have to hope, that joymax finally understands, that real players are worth more tha bots, accepts gameguard and we have a happy ending.

OR it keeps ignoring GG and then isro will be full of bots, and everyone will migrate to esro.

TheKnight · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 3067 **Location:**

Launger wrote:

Joymax is in a stalemate now, if they accept gameguards client, it will easily block the bot programs, but then joymax will lose bots. So we have to hope, that joymax finally understands, that real players are worth more tha bots, accepts gameguard and we have a happy ending.

OR it keeps ignoring GG and then isro will be full of bots, and everyone will migrate to esro.

And What will happend when there is only bots in iSro? and escro is full of players?

CeLL · **Posted:** Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:45 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:

Uhm, if they bought the license but don't use it is kinda weird. Greedy like JM won't let the money down the drain for nothing.

yeah your right, the spoil ***k botters that buy the **** out of silk make them way less money than what they spend on game guard.

Bleederi · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 95

I say FRAUD. Just want to see what is coming up...

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:18 pm

there is no gameguard in csro and vsro.
Oh and wait, you can log in first try.

HawaiianMix · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

CeLL wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

Uhm, if they bought the license but don't use it is kinda weird. Greedy like JM won't let the money down the drain for nothing.

yeah your right, the spoil ***k botters that buy the **** out of silk make them way less money than what they spend on game guard.

I like the list of characters you have in your signature.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

Karras wrote:

Quote:

Could you please tell me which game you are playing since we are providing our solutions to many different games that Joymax services?

Is it Silkroad or DarkEden?

This statement is enough proof that JM is paying GG for its solution on SRO.
Which means, JM is entitled to put the logo of GG in SRO.
Use it or not, its their choice.
JM don't answer to GG, GG answer to JM.

Well even if you pay for a license, I'd think you shouldn't be able to use their logos without using their software. I'm sure Microsoft would have a problem if some company bought a corporate license for Windows Vista, then threw the "Windows" name and logos up onto some other OS to make it look like Windows.

Would Symantec have a problem with OEM vendors putting the yellow shield icon (the one for Symantec Antivirus client) into the system tray of all computers the vendor sells? Of course assuming the yellow shield icon also had the tooltip "Symantec Antivirus Client" when you hover the mouse over it.

Seems it's the same thing with GameGuard. If the GG client is not really running, Joymax shouldn't claim it is, even if they have a license.

CeLL · **Posted:** Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:44 pm

HawaiianMix wrote:

CeLL wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

Uhm, if they bought the license but don't use it is kinda weird. Greedy like JM won't let the money down the drain for nothing.

yeah your right, the spoil ***k botters that buy the **** out of silk make them way less money than what they spend on game guard.

I like the list of characters you have in your signature.

wanna old hands??

HawaiianMix · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

CeLL wrote:

HawaiianMix wrote:

I like the list of characters you have in your signature.

wanna old hands??

You know I do, you hot and single, sexy individual. Now give me a character.

chesticles · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 1978 **Location:**

waits for GameGuard action oO

g859 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:39 am

Here's my email to Joymax a while back on gameguard:

Good thing I kept it in my inbox

*EDIT* Emailed the same person as in the OP's post, Jay, and wrote a lengthy email building on what was said in the first post. Hopefully they can beat some sense into Joymax!

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:21 pm

they are automated email response, nothing to wonder

CeLL · **Posted:** Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:23 pm

HawaiianMix wrote:

CeLL wrote:

HawaiianMix wrote:

I like the list of characters you have in your signature.

wanna old hands??

You know I do, you hot and single, sexy individual. Now give me a character.

as soon as i actaully have one of them, then ill give it to you.

Sharp324 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4383 **Location:**

Launger wrote:

Joymax is in a stalemate now, if they accept gameguards client, it will easily block the bot programs, but then joymax will lose bots. So we have to hope, that joymax finally understands, that real players are worth more tha bots, accepts gameguard and we have a happy ending.

OR it keeps ignoring GG and then isro will be full of bots, and everyone will migrate to esro.

Gameguard sucks worse than PunkBuster. It definitely wouldnt last long. Even script kiddies can get by gameguard easily.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

And this is why I've debating religiously that JM is to be blame for all the botting that takes place in SRO. They literally open the gates for all the people who are willing to bot. If they are truly using the gameguard logo without actually using the program to stop illegal 3rd party software then this is proof they are responsible 100%.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:55 pm

BuDo wrote:

And this is why I've debating religiously that JM is to be blame for all the botting that takes place in SRO. They literally open the gates for all the people who are willing to bot. If they are truly using the gameguard logo without actually using the program to stop illegal 3rd party software then this is proof they are responsible 100%.

Ok, so if they try to fix it by banning all your bot friends, your friends will quit and never play sro again right? Is that what you want?

CeLL · **Posted:** Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:06 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:

BuDo wrote:

And this is why I've debating religiously that JM is to be blame for all the botting that takes place in SRO. They literally open the gates for all the people who are willing to bot. If they are truly using the gameguard logo without actually using the program to stop illegal 3rd party software then this is proof they are responsible 100%.

Ok, so if they try to fix it by banning all your bot friends, your friends will quit and never play sro again right? Is that what you want?

hmmm, i dont like who this comment is supporting.

also, hacking and 3rd party prevention doesnt HAVE to mean insta-ban, i can simply mean prevent the software from operating with sro. forcing legit play.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

BuDo wrote:

And this is why I've debating religiously that JM is to be blame for all the botting that takes place in SRO. They literally open the gates for all the people who are willing to bot. If they are truly using the gameguard logo without actually using the program to stop illegal 3rd party software then this is proof they are responsible 100%.

Ok, so if they try to fix it by banning all your bot friends, your friends will quit and never play sro again right? Is that what you want?

Yes indeed...ban all the bots including my bot friends and I'd be happy. I know that some of my friends would then make a new but legit account after that anyways.

Amarisa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 4049 **Location:** Magic

NuclearSilo wrote:

BuDo wrote:

And this is why I've debating religiously that JM is to be blame for all the botting that takes place in SRO. They literally open the gates for all the people who are willing to bot. If they are truly using the gameguard logo without actually using the program to stop illegal 3rd party software then this is proof they are responsible 100%.

Ok, so if they try to fix it by banning all your bot friends, your friends will quit and never play sro again right? Is that what you want?

you underestimate the addiction young one.....

jabbers · **Posted:** Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:20 am

Launger wrote:

Joymax is in a stalemate now, if they accept gameguards client, it will easily block the bot programs, but then joymax will lose bots. So we have to hope, that joymax finally understands, that real players are more troublesome than bots, accepts gameguard and we have a happy ending.

OR it keeps ignoring GG and then isro will be full of bots, and everyone will migrate to esro.

Starrie · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 1170 **Location:**

BuDo wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

BuDo wrote:

And this is why I've debating religiously that JM is to be blame for all the botting that takes place in SRO. They literally open the gates for all the people who are willing to bot. If they are truly using the gameguard logo without actually using the program to stop illegal 3rd party software then this is proof they are responsible 100%.

Ok, so if they try to fix it by banning all your bot friends, your friends will quit and never play sro again right? Is that what you want?

Yes indeed...ban all the bots including my bot friends and I'd be happy. I know that some of my friends would then make a new but legit account after that anyways.

There will be one problem, all servers will be empty except for the few legits, maybe 100, each server still has, so there is no jobbing, pvping, no items to buy, etc. Before all bots are legitly d8-10 again, we are about half a year further.

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

Starrie wrote:

There will be one problem, all servers will be empty except for the few legits, maybe 100, each server still has, so there is no jobbing, pvping, no items to buy, etc. Before all bots are legitly d8-10 again, we are about half a year further.

Merge the servers. Though similar guild names/char names might be a lil tricky.

Swindler · **Posted:** Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:49 pm

UnbeatableDevil wrote:

Starrie wrote:

There will be one problem, all servers will be empty except for the few legits, maybe 100, each server still has, so there is no jobbing, pvping, no items to buy, etc. Before all bots are legitly d8-10 again, we are about half a year further.

Merge the servers. Though similar guild names/char names might be a lil tricky.

Merge the guilds to :roll:

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

HejsaN wrote:

UnbeatableDevil wrote:

Starrie wrote:

There will be one problem, all servers will be empty except for the few legits, maybe 100, each server still has, so there is no jobbing, pvping, no items to buy, etc. Before all bots are legitly d8-10 again, we are about half a year further.

Merge the servers. Though similar guild names/char names might be a lil tricky.

Merge the guilds to :roll:

Merge the chars too then? :roll:

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:16 pm

merge the item ID too

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