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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:07 pm |
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2nd pAge already you religion sire is a popular topic
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:12 pm |
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_Equal_ wrote: By the same token, I'm going to assume you're atheist, or don't believe, and that's fine. The reverse is probably true; some of them god-fearin' folks may think they have to accomodate you  I didn't realize there was atheistic dogma? Atheism is simply lacking belief in god. What does this have to do with any other aspect of my life? I could be a Republican, gay hating, gun toting, bigot and still be an atheist. Or a far left tree hugging, free minded, free spirited hippy and be an atheist. What is there to accommodate? Gaige wrote: this is why i love the USA, the only religion that gets shoved in my face is from the ppl, not the govt., so i really dont have to deal with em, the only time i do is when you go to their schools Not sure if serious? Try to learn about evolution in a public Texas class room, not going to happen. They'll be more than happy to devote an entire week to creationism though (despite no backing evidence and all evidence to the contrary). NuclearSilo wrote: You are perfectly right. Science doesn't need to disprove leprechauns, unicorns, and flying giraffes because they are all about belief and imagination And all equally ridiculous. Why is the criticism of religion considered "pressing my views"? Why does it deserve such respect? Why is it immune to the criticism all other things in life receive? If an ideology does not accept criticism what does that tell you about said ideology? Quote: Religion is bad because it stunts intellectual growth and cripples human interaction; because it is an engine of control and oppression (mostly of women), and because it alienates people from the real, physical world and all its wonders. It narrows horizons, engenders isolation and fear, and strives in most cases to limit and control the experience and value of emotional, sexual and physical pleasure.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:28 pm |
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Why is it most people assume all religion follows the same rules and ideals and stick them in one group. Then they try to put all the religions in a position where it is viewed as some sort of oppression on believers and non-believers. ...
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:29 pm |
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I'm not going to step in this discussion, but I have to say EvGa's been on top in every single religion discussion.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:30 pm |
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Thee_UniQue wrote: I'm not going to step in this discussion, but I have to say EvGa's been on top in every single religion discussion. What's funny is that I'm not disagreeing with him 
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:48 pm |
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another religion thread... you guys either love to beat a dead horse or you love to increase your post counts
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:00 pm |
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well, horses aren't really popular here.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:10 pm |
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magisuns wrote: another religion thread... you guys either love to beat a dead horse or you love to increase your post counts 
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:15 pm |
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_Equal_ wrote: What's funny is that I'm not disagreeing with him  By comparing the accommodation religion receives to the false assertion that atheism can be accommodated, you are disagreeing with me. Unless your opinion has changed. magisuns wrote: another religion thread... you guys either love to beat a dead horse or you love to increase your post counts Plenty of threads "beat a dead horse". Don't enter the thread if you don't want to join in the flogging. 
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:19 pm |
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EvGa wrote: _Equal_ wrote: What's funny is that I'm not disagreeing with him  By comparing the accommodation religion receives to the false assertion that atheism can be accommodated, you are disagreeing with me. Unless your opinion has changed. magisuns wrote: another religion thread... you guys either love to beat a dead horse or you love to increase your post counts Plenty of threads "beat a dead horse". Don't enter the thread if you don't want to join in the flogging.  Nope, not disagreeing with you. I never said "atheism can be accomodated", I wondered if everything can be accomodated. A little poking and prodding, hoping for an interesting thread. Alas, your logic has removed all the fun. 
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:22 pm |
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I think it'd be way cooler if we still thought that thunder comes from the gods' chariot race and that we must sacrifice stuff to keep the old spirits content.. and we could sacrifice NuclerSilos, too.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:22 pm |
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Shadow wrote: I think it'd be way cooler if we still thought that thunder comes from the gods' chariot race and that we must sacrifice stuff to keep the old spirits content.. and we could sacrifice NuclerSilos, too. Hey, he believes in ghosts, he could come and haunt us.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:24 pm |
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_Equal_ wrote: Shadow wrote: I think it'd be way cooler if we still thought that thunder comes from the gods' chariot race and that we must sacrifice stuff to keep the old spirits content.. and we could sacrifice NuclerSilos, too. Hey, he believes in ghosts, he could come and haunt us. We'd probably have to sacrifice more NuclearSilos to keep the ghosts happy then...
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:50 pm |
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_Equal_ wrote: Amarisa wrote: _Equal_ wrote: Wow, ok then.
I don't know, there's lots of good causes in the world, guess you're anti-religion, and wish ya lots of luck with that.
BTW children grow up to think for themselves, sometimes they don't turn out religious. I'm really not.
either that, or you are a GREAT troll, thanks!
you sure about that? with the children and all.... grow up in Islam or somewhere that is heavily religious. do you think you would grow up an atheist? how does religion keep going? by teaching the young and scaring them that if they don't believe they will burn in hell. You have a point there. I guess we won't know until science can disprove the existence of God. I mean with certain people supposedly "dying" and then having a religious experience - who knows? is that the brain doing something we don't understand due to lack of oxygen? that'd be my guess. Yeah, extremism of ANY sort is bad, mmmkay. Personally, what they believe is fine with me as long as a ton of stupid laws don't get passed. Some stuff should be common sense like not marrying your dog. What is wrong with marrying or having sex with your dog if you so choose ..... can you see how you are imposing your morals on others on something that is simply put none of your business ... Continuing addressing your response people claim to be abducted by aliens, seen big foot, been attacked by the village monster, etc, etc, etc, do we really want to use these claim as evidence ... Science can easily disprove religion ...However we have to understand that religion operates on a way that pretty much laughs at the principal of you not being able to disprove that I can talk to a pink unicorn who is in the room with me and you right now; religion asks you to ignore reality and accept w/e nonsense they sell with a story that works for you. It's fairly easy for science to come and prove that there is nothing at a random location you claim but it's up to the individual to be feeble minded and fall to the usual eternal suffering/reward/unimaginable loving being who will do anything for you and has a place where happiness beyond belief exists and he only requires for you to accept him and follow "his path" and soon enough you will be by his side, again all this is ignores reality, reason, etc, and as always there is not an ounce of proof. Somewhat irrelevant to my previous point but regarding science christianity tells you that a perfect god ( who operates with perfect communication skills ) tells you that the Earth is 6000 years old and we of course know that science can easily show you otherwise, 2 easy examples of that would be carbon dating and ruins/records of previous civilizations. Now, has this stopped people from facediving into christianity ? no, they again ignore all reality, reason, etc, etc, and just accept this now self delusional fantasy; It's important to point out in this example that these people are largely the result of what happens when you hand over your children and have them submitted to a program of worshiping the mega being, rewarding those who do, and attacking those who don't. It's lovely how the system promotes the parent as an ultimate protector kind of figure who's love for you it's unconditional and unparalleled ( besides for the big guy of course ) and after linking this real figure and giving value to our unicorn we of course move to the important part, we use the parents who actually prove themselves and earn the loyalty of the kids to attack them and suppress them when they point out the obvious flaws in "Why am I a sinner when I've done nothing", "really a talking snake who got some whore to eat an apple" it really is a love story, the kids never really stand a chance when they are matched against the person who cares about them the most or in other cases the person who they accept as the one who is acting in their best interest ( public schools and others of the like ). You made this comment that I found to be quite dumb "Yeah, extremism of ANY sort is bad", Do you honestly think that say christianity can start at the crusaders or similar times where you had to kill your own family ? of course not, these institutions slowly expand and take control of the next generations and when they reach a point where they do their bidding and fear/not question the source of divinity/wisdom of the "selected ones" they simply put "Release the Kraken". You question the ability these cults have to control children and claim that children "can think for themselves" Why don't we look at a fun example then, the koran. A religion of "peace"; as I understand it has little on it regarding violence but straight to my point you get children who do suicide bombings in it's name, now, does the koran instruct/support this ? I can't factually answer that but as I understand the answer is no, does it matter ? Not really, what is important to point out is the children get handed over and then these "virtuous" groups come and program them to do these acts, same crap yet again. Question then is, how many times does it need to happen for you to understand the system delivers ? fell sleep as I wrote that, I was going to add some other stuff but I am leaving it as is and just put it out.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:54 pm |
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ITT: Facts - All Atheist believe the same thing and act the same way. The redneck and the liberal are EXACTLY THE SAME. TOTALLY. Man, it sure is difficult being tolerant of... wait for it: NOTHING. Yes, fundamentalist and extreme assholes have to deal with a lack of belief in their God. OH NO! THE SKY IS FALLING! IF EVERYONE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!! All religions == Extremist Islam or Fundamentalist Christianity. ALL OF THEM. NO EXCEPTIONS. They also all believe in the Abrahamic murdering douche rocket God. ALL OF THEM. A religious person not pressing their views, just chilling, living their life negatively affects people's lives. TOTALLY. The fundamentalist asshole minority group in two Relgions are not the problem. IT'S ALL OF THEM. There's a rotten apple in a tree then the tree sucks and must be burnt to the M'Fing ground. My 2nd Favorite one: All Christians/Muslims/Jews are "enslaved" Favorite one: Science is a religion. Did I sum up both sides of this thread? Yes? Kthxbai. *grabs popcorn* Quote: What is wrong with marrying or having sex with your dog Pretty sure that's illegal in secular States, religion or no religion. Also, wtf? Quote: Science can easily disprove religion The explanation of natural events disproves supernatural events. I'm pretty sure real Science, and any person with common sense, just ignores supernatural events since Science doesn't and shouldn't go out of the way to prove or disprove something it wasn't made for. "Reads Windows XP for dummies" *I am now fully capable of operating a Linux Operating System. Quote: tells you that the Earth is 6000 years old No, pretty sure Fundamentalist tards think the Earth is 6000 y/o(s) and Jesus rode raptors. VenomFagX and other internet Christian Celebs do not represent the whole. They're actually a minority. The Minority just happens to be the loudest and constantly produces mad lulz. Quote: children Indoctrination needs to stop, agreed. Quote: Yeah, extremism of ANY sort is bad You called this dumb. Really? Pick any war in history. The cause always goes back to one of two things: Extreme Religious Views or Extreme Political views. Extreme anything is negative. That much can't be disputed. Quote: does the koran instruct/support this ? I can't factually answer that but as I understand the answer is no, does it matter ? Not really How doesn't that matter? No really, how doesn't that matter? The Koran, the Muslim Holy Book teaches it's followers to be respectful, and nice. Sort of like how the bible tells all Christians to be neighbor loving hippies. The problem here isn't *religion.* It's man. It has always been man. Remove religion and we'll move to the next best thing. *Government* Remove Government and we move to the *Family.* We will always find something to kill people over and point at it and say "I do it in the name of X." Is that "X's" intended purpose? Hell no. Do we care? Hell no. Man takes noble things and corrupts it. It's what we do, that's just us. We've been doing it forever. Quote: Why is the criticism of religion considered "pressing my views"? I was actually curious about that and asked one of my friends. You know how we hate it when fundamentalist come at us and try to shove their beliefs down our throats? We call that "pressing their views." We don't care, we don't want to hear it. If you were raised in the US you've probably heard the stories enough. Well, flip the coin. Non-fundamentalist really hate it when we try to pick fights over simple things like "God Bless You." Personally, I think it's a cop-out people use when they honestly don't want to talk about it. When I tell any Christian or Muslim to "stop pressing their views" it just means I don't want to hear or discuss it, go away. Same thing with them. Quote: Texas I feel sorry for Texas. Quote: You guys think way too concretely. Shot your foot, you did. Quote: The problem is that what -you- believe will negatively affect my life. Man, I live in Georgia. I don't think anything Christians or Muslims do negatively affect my life. With the exception of my Dad having to explain Evolution to me because the teacher chose to skip that chapter I have never been wrong to someone because of their religion. Though, I once was called Devil Child by this fat freshman.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:06 pm |
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You guys can all agree with each other or disagree with each other. In the end, we won't know for sure until we die. Oh and science does not disprove religion. Science states that we simply came from one way, but this way is only a theory. A theory and not a scientific law. You guys can write paragraphs about religion and maybe entire essays on why the gods of religion are non existent, but in the end, we WON'T know for sure. You guys think way too concretely.
There's also a difference in believing in religion and a higher being.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:15 pm |
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Blurred wrote: You guys can all agree with each other or disagree with each other. In the end, we won't know for sure until we die. Oh and science does not disprove religion. Science states that we simply came from one way, but this way is only a theory. A theory and not a scientific law. You guys can write paragraphs about religion and maybe entire essays on why the gods of religion are non existent, but in the end, we WON'T know for sure. You guys think way too concretely.
There's also a difference in believing in religion and a higher being. Just a theory, supported by MOUNTAINS of empirical evidence. Also, science only has a theory as far back as the big bang, before that we simply do not know. Saying 'god dun it' is as equally valid as saying a square circle made of crayons collapsed in on itself causing the big bang. Both are on the same playing field. Please look up what a scientific theory is... Too concretely? Or too logically? EDIT: Ninja edit reply to Barotix' ninja edit: Barotix wrote: Quote: Why is the criticism of religion considered "pressing my views"? I was actually curious about that and asked one of my friends. You know how we hate it when fundamentalist come at us and try to shove their beliefs down our throats? We call that "pressing their views." We don't care, we don't want to hear it. If you were raised in the US you've probably heard the stories enough. Well, flip the coin. Non-fundamentalist really hate it when we try to pick fights over simple things like "God Bless You." Personally, I think it's a cop-out people use when they honestly don't want to talk about it. When I tell any Christian or Muslim to "stop pressing their views" it just means I don't want to hear or discuss it, go away. Same thing with them. I avoid nit-picking little things like "bless you" or "I'm praying for you". I couldn't care less. In everyday life religious discussion almost never comes up, when it does it is usually between my atheist room mate and myself. By criticism I mean legitimate questioning. "What evidence is there for God" would be an example. This is usually responded to by "faith, yada yada, stop pressing your views". What view am I pressing? Even when the questioning becomes more "attack" based, "Oh really? The sunset is God's beauty revealed? What about birth defects?" I'm still not pressing a view, simply criticizing. Religious people make the positive assertion that there is a God, afterlife, we need to pray, etc. They have a view to press and they do so without evidence to back their claims, atheists simply deny these things exist (specifically god). I don't see how we could possibly be pressing a "view". I do see what you are saying though, kind of... but it goes back to the assertion thing. They say shit exists. I want to know why they say this? I'm not pressing anything on them except questions (sometimes with thinly veiled attacks >:]) Long rambling paragraph.. not very well thought out, but there ya go..
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:27 pm |
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EvGa wrote: Blurred wrote: You guys can all agree with each other or disagree with each other. In the end, we won't know for sure until we die. Oh and science does not disprove religion. Science states that we simply came from one way, but this way is only a theory. A theory and not a scientific law. You guys can write paragraphs about religion and maybe entire essays on why the gods of religion are non existent, but in the end, we WON'T know for sure. You guys think way too concretely.
There's also a difference in believing in religion and a higher being. Just a theory, supported by MOUNTAINS of empirical evidence. Also, science only has a theory as far back as the big bang, before that we simply do not know. Saying 'god dun it' is as equally valid as saying a square circle made of crayons collapsed in on itself causing the big bang. Both are on the same playing field. Please look up what a scientific theory is... Too concretely? Or too logically? That makes your "mountains of empirical evidence" irrelevant. This is the point I'm trying to make, we won't know for sure until we die and "see a god" or some discovery is made on where we may have came from. On another note, you guys are choosing to go against religion, which is understandable. But what if a god, not bound by any religion exist? The god can be neither good nor bad, but created the universe starting with the big bang. (I guess this is what I meant by concrete thinking.) I said it already, we don't know for sure what happened when the universe was created and I don't think we ever will.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:28 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:31 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:33 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:34 pm |
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Gaige wrote: this thread was fine till ppl started posting 8 paragraph posts, now its ruined  It's a religion thread.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:35 pm |
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I find it funny that atheists, even though they are soooo sure that god doesn't exist, keep trying to make threads to prove religion wrong...
Anyways, Barotix owned this thread.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:42 pm |
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Love wrote: http://www.missiontoamerica.org/genesis/six-thousand-years.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationismI know where it comes from. I mean, you really think the people that believe The Christian/Jewish is literally a 7 day account is literal? Let me type it straight out: The bible does specify an Age at all. These people take the outrageous ages of people in the bible, add it up, and take it seriously. I don't have a bible on-hand and really don't feel like looking for mine but to basically summarize the minority young Earth Creationist group: Adam was 700 y/o Abraham was 1000 y/o Isaac was >9000 Years old Add this up Get 4000 Jesus was born after the death of Bob, Peter, and Sally. Their cumaltive age is 2000 The Earth is 6000 Years old Also, the earth was made in 7 24 hour days. True story. You want me to take the minority extremist views that the bible does not specify (again, it's their interpretation.) seriously. It's hard enough taking normal religious people seriously. Not going to take extremist seriously, especially when they regularly ignore or twist their holy book.
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Blurred wrote: That makes your "mountains of empirical evidence" irrelevant. This is the point I'm trying to make, we won't know for sure until we die and "see a god" or some discovery is made on where we may have came from. On another note, you guys are choosing to go against religion, which is understandable. But what if a god, not bound by any religion exist? The god can be neither good nor bad, but created the universe starting with the big bang. (I guess this is what I meant by concrete thinking.) I said it already, we don't know for sure what happened when the universe was created and I don't think we ever will. How? The Big bang theory accurately explains, to the best of our knowledge, the events that created our universe down to billionths of billionths of a second after it began to expand. Backed by actual hard evidence: -Microwave background radiation -Expansion of the universe -Cooling of the universe -The ratio of hydrogen, helium, lithium, and beryllium. -Extreme density smoothness throughout the universe -'Fluctuations in spacial density that occur at under a billionth the volume of a proton are exactly the same pattern as the largest scale structures in the universe very strongly suggesting that at one point the entire universe was smaller than a billionth the volume of a proton' -Slow role inflation -The amount of matter is exactly the amount predicted by CP breakdown -Etc Those are some of the backing processes/evidence behind the 'theory'. Basically, we know what happened down to the tiniest of fractions after the initial action. We don't know how or from what this action began, but how does that make the theory irrelevant? The only logical stance to take is "I don't know". NOT. God dun it, leprechauns dun it, nothing dun it, etc. Simply, we don't know, yet. There are actually theories for 'before' the big bang, but they are not nearly as polished or backed as the BBT.. Sorry for the tangent. Saying "we don't know" what happened does not validate any belief, it simply means we don't know. Just because somebody doesn't believe in god doesn't mean they claim to know how the universe began. But to hold on to the fantasy that "God" did it seems extremely illogical when compared to all the other natural processes of our universe. UnbeatableDevil wrote: I find it funny that atheists, even though they are soooo sure that god doesn't exist, keep trying to make threads to prove religion wrong... Can't take the heat, don't join the discussion? Again, why is questioning religion such a fu.cking taboo? Oh noes don't step on my precious beliefs!? Question my beliefs, please, go for it. I'd love to discuss why I believe what I do and what evidence there is to support my beliefs, hopefully you can do the same, though I highly doubt it. (Not pointed directly at you Devil). In b4 8 pages.
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:56 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:05 pm |
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UnbeatableDevil wrote: I find it funny that atheists, even though they are soooo sure that god doesn't exist, keep trying to make threads to prove religion wrong...
Anyways, Barotix owned this thread. we give the proof this is how it works The proof is Pepsi is spelled " P E P S I" but you choose to believe pepsi is spelled like "c o k e" religious ppl 
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:06 pm |
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Gaige wrote: UnbeatableDevil wrote: I find it funny that atheists, even though they are soooo sure that god doesn't exist, keep trying to make threads to prove religion wrong...
Anyways, Barotix owned this thread. we give the proof this is how it works The proof is Pepsi is spelled " P E P S I" but you choose to believe pepsi is spelled like "c o k e" religious ppl  That is the worst analogy I've ever heard. Sounds more like a drunk trying to spell.
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Gaigemasta
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Post subject: Re: Religion ( a must see ) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:13 pm |
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lol i couldnt think of anything atm, but it works
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