Religion ( a must see )

Shomari · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2341 **Location:** Limbo

Nick stop posting videos like you know what you're talking about.

Nick Invaders · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 1105 **Location:**

Sorry, I just think you guys should see these.

Shomari · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2341 **Location:** Limbo

Didn't really listen to all of it but sounds like he is trying to disprove God using examples, which he will do because religion is Faith based.

Nick Invaders · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 1105 **Location:**

Well...the examples won't work on most religious people unfortunately. In one of the previous videos I posted he stated that you can't really get people to stop people from believing in god because they never joined their religion through reason. In which case reasoning won't get them out of religion.

Skyve · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 7328 **Location:** Canada

EvGa wrote:

ExSoldier, There are many different 'arguments for atheism'. The thing that deters me from believing in a God is, why should I? What evidence is there that a God exists? Atheists come to the conclusion by many different means and arguments. I wouldn't call evolution an argument really, it's just a fact of life.

Correct, abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution explains how living organisms change, adapt, speciate, etc. ('evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations.' This leads to new species) It deals with already living organisms, not how these organisms came to be alive, that's abiogenesis' job.

I see. Well I though the core of the whole Science v.s Religion battle is that where the "first cell/egg" came from. Woudn't it be possible that God created the first cell,thus not denying the Theory of Evolution? Then again,I'm confused on how Abiogenesis does not affect Evolution. I mean we're did the first cell come from? It's either Abiogenesis(which I keep being told its impossible) or God created the first spawn.

Oh well this is interesting,better than my science v.s religion talk with my friends. Most of them are Atheism and their argument is "Herp Derp **** God".

Nick Invaders · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 1105 **Location:**

ExSoldier wrote:

Oh well this is interesting,better than my science v.s religion talk with my friends. Most of them are Atheism and their argument is "Herp Derp **** God".

Indeed, this is more interesting than most science vs religion talks I have with friends.

Now if you guys don't mind I will stay out of the conversations for the most part (Unless I actually have something to say. Unlike me just posting videos earlier).

Shomari · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2341 **Location:** Limbo

Ahh I saw that video, I must admit he has very convincing arguments. But I don't see how religion is a trauma.
I myself joined through reason and examples of how it changed people's lives.

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

The reason abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution is because we KNOW evolution happens. We know how it happens and have tons of evidence to back these claims. Evolution does not try to explain where the first organisms came from so saying "where did the first organism come from? You don't know? So much for evolution!" is retarded. We know how things evolve, the theory of evolution explains this, if the first cell came from a god or from a thermal vent...both began evolving and still do today.

"It's either God or abiogenesis." Wrong, it's not a dichotomy. It's not a 'this' or 'that'. There could be many different valid theories, obviously only one is 100% right, but to say we only have two choices is wrong. At the moment, abiogenesis has the most evidence going it's way so it is the most likely process to explain the origin of life. Saying god did it really isn't based on any empirical evidence except good wishes, hopes, desires, faith, etc...

Shomari, the faith argument? :S

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Didn't really listen to all of it but sounds like he is trying to disprove God using examples, which he will do because religion is Faith based.

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Didn't really listen to all of it but sounds like he is trying to disprove the flying spaghetti monster using examples, which he will do because religion is Faith based.

See what I did there?

EDIT: Woot, Loyal Member. 1500th post. Thank you religion thread, haha.

Shomari · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 2341 **Location:** Limbo

Too tired to really think and read long paragraphs... <.< >.>
bb till tomorrow

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

SM-Count wrote:

I dunno... super-atheists that have an overwhelming desire to have everyone around them know they are atheist and make it their personal crusade to stomp out religion in everyone they have ever come into contact with are just as, if not more, annoying and loud as group D.

OT: The problem I see here is the religious/believers are quick to compare the, albeit somewhat hyperbolized, rhetoric about their religion to their own life or social circle and immediately dismiss such claims as being false or untrue on the basis that these situations do not occur in their immediate community (i.e, "My family and I are religious and non-violent therefore it is good"). I think its this inability to see faith through a wider perspective is what greatly hinders people's ability to fault one's own faith. This in essence creates a false sense of reality that cannot be changed unless you are willing to step outside the security of the glass box for a second and view the effects of religion on a larger context or as a social construct rather than a personal tool for comfort. The problem is that realization of faults usually leads to cognitive dissonance which begets justification and rationalization for religious beliefs and then its back to square one all over again. :sohappy:

iphonegame wrote:

You can't live a happy life with out the religion. After all you will have to answer to God on the day of Judgment.

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

Fug_Dup wrote:

SM-Count wrote:

I dunno... super-atheists that have an overwhelming desire to have everyone around them know they are atheist and make it their personal crusade to stomp out religion in everyone they have ever come into contact with are just as, if not more, annoying and loud as group D.

OT: The problem I see here is the religious/believers are quick to compare the, albeit somewhat hyperbolized, rhetoric about their religion to their own life or social circle and immediately dismiss such claims as being false or untrue on the basis that these situations do not occur in their immediate community (i.e, "My family and I are religious and non-violent therefore it is good"). I think its this inability to see faith through a wider perspective is what greatly hinders people's ability to fault one's own faith. This in essence creates a false sense of reality that cannot be changed unless you are willing to step outside the security of the glass box for a second and view the effects of religion on a larger context or as a social construct rather than a personal tool for comfort. The problem is that realization of faults usually leads to cognitive dissonance which begets justification and rationalization for religious beliefs and then its back to square one all over again. :sohappy:

iphonegame wrote:

You can't live a happy life with out the religion. After all you will have to answer to God on the day of Judgment.

dude! he got out the pie chart! he has to be right!

lol i like

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

Fug_Dup wrote:

OT: The problem I see here is the religious/believers are quick to compare the, albeit somewhat hyperbolized, rhetoric about their religion to their own life or social circle and immediately dismiss such claims as being false or untrue on the basis that these situations do not occur in their immediate community (i.e, "My family and I are religious and non-violent therefore it is good"). I think its this inability to see faith through a wider perspective is what greatly hinders people's ability to fault one's own faith. This in essence creates a false sense of reality that cannot be changed unless you are willing to step outside the security of the glass box for a second and view the effects of religion on a larger context or as a social construct rather than a personal tool for comfort. The problem is that realization of faults usually leads to cognitive dissonance which begets justification and rationalization for religious beliefs and then its back to square one all over again. :sohappy:

We need a rep system. Excellent post.

iphonegame wrote:

You can't live a happy life with out the religion. After all you will have to answer to God on the day of Judgment.

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

EvGa wrote:

Fug_Dup wrote:

OT: The problem I see here is the religious/believers are quick to compare the, albeit somewhat hyperbolized, rhetoric about their religion to their own life or social circle and immediately dismiss such claims as being false or untrue on the basis that these situations do not occur in their immediate community (i.e, "My family and I are religious and non-violent therefore it is good"). I think its this inability to see faith through a wider perspective is what greatly hinders people's ability to fault one's own faith. This in essence creates a false sense of reality that cannot be changed unless you are willing to step outside the security of the glass box for a second and view the effects of religion on a larger context or as a social construct rather than a personal tool for comfort. The problem is that realization of faults usually leads to cognitive dissonance which begets justification and rationalization for religious beliefs and then its back to square one all over again. :sohappy:

We need a rep system. Excellent post.

iphonegame wrote:

You can't live a happy life with out the religion. After all you will have to answer to God on the day of Judgment.

fixed

EvGa · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 2612 **Location:** Texas

Gaige wrote:

fixed

Took me 5 minutes to figure out what you "fixed". Son, I am disapoint..

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

lol i couldnt resist, i noticed the one guys name "iphonegame"

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

EvGa wrote:

We need a rep system. Excellent post.

Oh, you~

VforVendetta · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1615 **Location:**

iphonegame wrote:

You can't live a happy life with out the religion. After all you will have to answer to God on the day of Judgment.

lol

I will answer to no one when I die, I will not be concious of what or where my body ends up as. So what is there to answer for?

Religious people are the ones that need to realise how precious life is because it is your only one. There is no afterlife so make the one and only life you have the best you can for yourself and those around you.

Nick Invaders · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 1105 **Location:**

^ Well said, for the most part.

BuDo · **Joined:** Dec 2008 **Posts:** 4714 **Location:**

heroo wrote:

it's funny how people always are trying to explain religion when in fact it's something you believe in. no proof is needed or wanted.

Yes true no proof "Should" be needed but even the most religious people on the planet are looking for proof in the form of an expectation that they will see god in an afterlife or find themselves in a "better" place. A "rewards for my efforts mentality". Its human nature to want proof.

I think religion should only focus on teaching the various ways in which we can/should live with each other and stop trying to use or explain the past and future as a basis on how we should live our lives. The only real truth is that we're all not sure (Science or Religion).

Even science will tell you that nothing is 100% and is subjected to alteration if warranted. And that is the appeal of science while religion is more suborn to change. Either way nothing that we "know" or "believe" here is ironclad. Anything is possible and nothing is certain.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

EvGa wrote:

TOloseGT wrote:

i'm officially an agnostic

uh oh

By default that also makes you an atheist.

wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism

ExSoldier wrote:

Nice video,so Abiogenesis has nothing to do with Evolution. And I'm guessing Evolution is the main argument of Atheist so Abiogenesis is irrelevant =O

There is no main Argument... just a healthy level of skepticism.

CeLL · **Posted:** Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:42 pm

if an athiest is truly athiest, there shouldnt need to be an arguement, nor skepticism. there should be a lack of acknowledgement.

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

An atheist cannot prove that God doesn’t exist; therefore, atheism is based on faith.
lol, I wrote that on purpose.. watch the uproar.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:45 pm

What's the point to argue about the existence of God? :palm:

The only think you need to ask is does the belief/non belief in God will change the way one lives his life, can it not affecting anything?

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

CeLL wrote:

if an athiest is truly athiest, there shouldnt need to be an arguement, nor skepticism. there should be a lack of acknowledgement.

But then what would people do in their spare time online between movies/shopping/social websites/gaming/education?

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

Barotix wrote:

CeLL wrote:

if an athiest is truly athiest, there shouldnt need to be an arguement, nor skepticism. there should be a lack of acknowledgement.

But then what would people do in their spare time online between movies/shopping/social websites/gaming/education?

porn?

CeLL · **Posted:** Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:27 pm

Blurred wrote:

Barotix wrote:

CeLL wrote:

if an athiest is truly athiest, there shouldnt need to be an arguement, nor skepticism. there should be a lack of acknowledgement.

But then what would people do in their spare time online between movies/shopping/social websites/gaming/education?

porn?

exactly.

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

and whats wrong with porn?

i dont think you should look at this thread either since it is now officially NSFW since porn was said

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:36 pm

porn is boring, the same action over and over and over again

_Equal_ · **Posted:** Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:41 pm

lol at all this

here's one for ya

0l3n · **Posted:** Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:34 pm

NuclearSilo wrote:

porn is boring, the same action over and over and over again

Wow, I no longer belive you are human anymore.

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