Suicide should be accepted

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

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you tell me your the one that loves your life.[/quote]
Yes I love it where is the contradiction """""I""""" do but others may not and they are entitled to it

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

madah123 wrote:

since you don't know it shouldnt be your choice it must be the person's

Btw: My one small change

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I don't know if death is greater than life, but sure I know how life feels. Meh... I'm not death

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

XMoshe wrote:

You have to take your family/friends well being in consideration. Often enough suiciders fuck up the people they loved so yes it's their own choice but no it shouldn't be accepted.

It is the families fault for being hurt not the one who suicides why don't we take slave owners into consideration when we free the slaves who will take care of their chores?

Ownage · **Joined:** Jul 2009 **Posts:** 1173 **Location:** SwSro!

People who want to commit suicide will do so anyways, they aren't going to go "Oh wait its against the law". But people should try to face their problems if people gave at the first sign of trouble we wouldn't get very far.

Unless the problem can't be fixed ofc, aka medical or smt.

Heosphoros · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 682 **Location:**

madah123 wrote:

Yes I love it where is the contradiction """""I""""" do but others may not and they are entitled to it

Because there is always at least one person who will shed a tear at your funeral. There is always at least one

A friend of mines committed suicide about 2 years ago, on April 21st. Well, he kind of failed and ended up in a coma, but the parents decided to pull the plug. At his funeral I cried. We weren't the fondest of friends, in fact I hated him, but at his funeral I cared about him, I "loved" him in the sense that I never got to know him better, and sometimes I wish I did.

tl;dr- there is no such thing as no one else loving you, unless your a pitiful excuse of a human being who shoves everyone away.

magisuns · **Posted:** Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:37 pm

seriously? dont remember seeing this in otl before

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

Heosphoros wrote:

madah123 wrote:

Yes I love it where is the contradiction """""I""""" do but others may not and they are entitled to it

Because there is always at least one person who will shed a tear at your funeral. There is always at least one

A friend of mines committed suicide about 2 years ago, on April 21st. Well, he kind of failed and ended up in a coma, but the parents decided to pull the plug. At his funeral I cried. We weren't the fondest of friends, in fact I hated him, but at his funeral I cared about him, I "loved" him in the sense that I never got to know him better, and sometimes I wish I did.

tl;dr- there is no such thing as no one else loving you, unless your a pitiful excuse of a human being who shoves everyone away.

Even if they did love you .aren't they selfish by forcing you to do something you dont want aka living? Why should someone care for s selfish love like that.

XMoshe · **Posted:** Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:40 pm

madah123 wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

You have to take your family/friends well being in consideration. Often enough suiciders fuck up the people they loved so yes it's their own choice but no it shouldn't be accepted.

It is the families fault for being hurt not the one who suicides why don't we take slave owners into consideration when we free the slaves who will take care of their chores?

Are you comparing people who use slaves to people who lost a relative due to suicide? You can talk all you want but I'm pretty sure that if you would loose your parents or brother or sister or lover to suicide you'd be in tears too.

And stop talking about how people don't want to live. Maybe what..a few percent of the suiciders actually don't want to live, the biggest part just use it as last escape for something being it debts or depression or what ever.

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

XMoshe wrote:

madah123 wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

You have to take your family/friends well being in consideration. Often enough suiciders fuck up the people they loved so yes it's their own choice but no it shouldn't be accepted.

It is the families fault for being hurt not the one who suicides why don't we take slave owners into consideration when we free the slaves who will take care of their chores?

Are you comparing people who use slaves to people who lost a relative due to suicide? You can talk all you want but I'm pretty sure that if you would loose your parents or brother or sister or lover to suicide you'd be in tears too.

Yes I am what is the difference if they won't let them suicide.They are both people who force others to live a life they don't want because it is more comfortable to them.
sure but even if I cried it won't be my right to stop him my tears are more important than the 60 left years of his life of suffering?

Heosphoros · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 682 **Location:**

madah123 wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

You have to take your family/friends well being in consideration. Often enough suiciders fuck up the people they loved so yes it's their own choice but no it shouldn't be accepted.

It is the families fault for being hurt not the one who suicides why don't we take slave owners into consideration when we free the slaves who will take care of their chores?

Sigh... your retarded. Are you serious with saying "It is the families fault for being hurt?" really now? So it's MY fault that I got hurt, for something someone else did, right? Let's say YOUR girlfriend/wife/anyone you love committed suicide. You are going to cry or feel "hurt" its natural instinct. Are you really going to say it's not their fault. You're going to feel guilt, sadness, anger, everything. And whose fault is it for doing that to you? They are. Accept it.

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

madah123 wrote:

Even if they did love you .aren't they selfish by forcing you to do something you dont want aka living? Why should someone care for s selfish love like that.

What the hell.. Rescue someone you love. Is that so wrong?

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

Heosphoros wrote:

madah123 wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

You have to take your family/friends well being in consideration. Often enough suiciders fuck up the people they loved so yes it's their own choice but no it shouldn't be accepted.

It is the families fault for being hurt not the one who suicides why don't we take slave owners into consideration when we free the slaves who will take care of their chores?

Sigh... your retarded. Are you serious with saying "It is the families fault for being hurt?" really now? So it's MY fault that I got hurt, for something someone else did, right? Let's say YOUR girlfriend/wife/anyone you love committed suicide. You are going to cry or feel "hurt" its natural instinct. Are you really going to say it's not their fault. You're going to feel guilt, sadness, anger, everything. And whose fault is it for doing that to you? They are. Accept it.

It isn't. you are saying it is natural human instinct but that doesnt make it right.
also it is what someone else did his life his choice he doesnt have to live to make you happy he isnt your slave lol...
( I am not supertyper alot of people are writing things lol...)

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

What the **** is this?

This is the worst thread ever. Madah you should kill yourself and get it over with. You're causing ME anguish with your ridiculous views.

XMoshe · **Posted:** Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:45 pm

My cousin committed suicide, I didn't care for him, in fact I hated the guy. But I did cry at his funeral because it was so sad to see my aunt/uncle and my grandparents and even mom in tears. But he didn't see it, he thought it was the best. If only he could see what he did to his family I'm sure he would've had second thoughts about it.

No matter what you say, bottom line is that suicide is the chicken way out.

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

*BlackFox wrote:

madah123 wrote:

Even if they did love you .aren't they selfish by forcing you to do something you dont want aka living? Why should someone care for s selfish love like that.

What the hell.. Rescue someone you love. Is that so wrong?

You are only rescuing him because if he died you wouldnt like it not because it is better for him. so it is selfish .

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

XMoshe wrote:

My cousin committed suicide, I didn't care for him, in fact I hated the guy. But I did cry at his funeral because it was so sad to see my aunt/uncle and my grandparents and even mom in tears. But he didn't see it, he thought it was the best. If only he could see what he did to his family I'm sure he would've had second thoughts about it.

No matter what you say, bottom line is that suicide is the chicken way out.

Do your grant parents and mother own him ? Is he their property to not allow to die?

"If only he could see what he did to his family I'm sure he would've had second thoughts about it."
so people must be shackled by the weakness of others??
@Reise : I don't know why there isn't flaming in the reasons for report list such a shame.

Heosphoros · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 682 **Location:**

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Suicide is FOREVER. You do not get to wake up. You do not get a second chance. You will not be able to say, "Wait, I want to stay." There is no turning back.
Think about the situation in grisly fact. Someone will have to find your body, and most likely it will be someone who loves and cares for you. They will bear this in their memory for the rest of their lives.
If you kill yourself at someone else’s hand, such as laying in front of a car or train or forcing a police officer to kill you, know that these people will bear the brunt of the emotional turmoil and will always wish that it could have been different.
There may be people standing on the sidelines, knowing that you are in pain and wishing that they could help you. These people will suffer forever in guilt, wondering if there was more they could have done or said to change your mind. They will blame themselves.
The repercussions go far beyond this. Friends or family members may grow so despondent that they, in turn, take their own lives.
Most newspapers will not even mention your name after death by suicide.

Gaigemasta · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 4474 **Location:**

Well if suicide is legalized, most other things should be too. If someone is really gonna commit suicide they won't get in trouble, since they're dead and all. The only people who ever get caught are the stupid ones, or the ones who just want attention.

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

Heosphoros wrote:

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Suicide is FOREVER. You do not get to wake up. You do not get a second chance. You will not be able to say, "Wait, I want to stay." There is no turning back.
Think about the situation in grisly fact. Someone will have to find your body, and most likely it will be someone who loves and cares for you. They will bear this in their memory for the rest of their lives.
If you kill yourself at someone else’s hand, such as laying in front of a car or train or forcing a police officer to kill you, know that these people will bear the brunt of the emotional turmoil and will always wish that it could have been different.
There may be people standing on the sidelines, knowing that you are in pain and wishing that they could help you. These people will suffer forever in guilt, wondering if there was more they could have done or said to change your mind. They will blame themselves.
The repercussions go far beyond this. Friends or family members may grow so despondent that they, in turn, take their own lives.
Most newspapers will not even mention your name after death by suicide.

So basically it is because your family members are hindrances , a burden ,something that is shackling you and something you can't get rid of you are forced to live so they remain happy and dont kill themselves?
(yeah I over reacted lol...)

XMoshe · **Posted:** Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:52 pm

madah123 wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

My cousin committed suicide, I didn't care for him, in fact I hated the guy. But I did cry at his funeral because it was so sad to see my aunt/uncle and my grandparents and even mom in tears. But he didn't see it, he thought it was the best. If only he could see what he did to his family I'm sure he would've had second thoughts about it.

No matter what you say, bottom line is that suicide is the chicken way out.

Do your grant parents and mother own him ? Is he their property to not allow to die?

"If only he could see what he did to his family I'm sure he would've had second thoughts about it."
so people must be shackled by the weakness of others??
@Reise : I don't know why there isn't flaming in the reasons for report list such a shame.

Stop being such a tough guy, people cry over the loss of things they loved and if you are a bit of a human you would think about other too before doing something (even if it's to yourself and it's your own choice).

No they didn't own him. But they loved him, they saw him grow up. It's only human that you cry about someone you loved.

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

XMoshe wrote:

madah123 wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

My cousin committed suicide, I didn't care for him, in fact I hated the guy. But I did cry at his funeral because it was so sad to see my aunt/uncle and my grandparents and even mom in tears. But he didn't see it, he thought it was the best. If only he could see what he did to his family I'm sure he would've had second thoughts about it.

No matter what you say, bottom line is that suicide is the chicken way out.

Do your grant parents and mother own him ? Is he their property to not allow to die?

"If only he could see what he did to his family I'm sure he would've had second thoughts about it."
so people must be shackled by the weakness of others??
@Reise : I don't know why there isn't flaming in the reasons for report list such a shame.

Stop being such a tough guy, people cry over the loss of things they loved and if you are a bit of a human you would think about other too before doing something (even if it's to yourself and it's your own choice).

No they didn't own him. But they loved him, they saw him grow up. It's only human that you cry about someone you loved.

Well it is human and acceptable (yes I was going more into attacking too much because everyone is replying heavily against me) I just mean that they can get over the pain and think that it could have been best for him.
(I won't do anything to myself and I will kill anyone to tries to kill me lol)
I dont know if suicide is good ( it isnt for me)but I do know that it isnt the government , parents or anyones right to condemn or try to prevent it

*BlackFox · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 7923 **Location:**

madah123 wrote:

You are only rescuing him because if he died you wouldnt like it not because it is better for him. so it is selfish .

Just.. how the hell do you know, he would not be grateful for being alive?

Amarisa · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 4049 **Location:** Magic

madah123 wrote:

Well it is human and acceptable (yes I was going more into attacking too much because everyone is replying heavily against me) I just mean that they can get over the pain and think that it could have been best for him.
(I won't do anything to myself and I will kill anyone to tries to kill me lol)

how do you know death is the better way out?

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

*BlackFox wrote:

madah123 wrote:

You are only rescuing him because if he died you wouldnt like it not because it is better for him. so it is selfish .

Just.. how the hell do you know, he would not be grateful for being alive?

I don't know and neither do you.

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

Amarisa wrote:

madah123 wrote:

Well it is human and acceptable (yes I was going more into attacking too much because everyone is replying heavily against me) I just mean that they can get over the pain and think that it could have been best for him.
(I won't do anything to myself and I will kill anyone to tries to kill me lol)

how do you know life is the better way out?

Idonttttttt and neither do you so it is his choice not mine or yoursssss..........
sorrryyy for double posting lol

XMoshe · **Posted:** Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:58 pm

Well the main point is that suicide is a choice you make, but before you continue on with it you should look back and consider what it will do to those around you, the people you love and the ones that love you. Even if they can get over it why not try to work it out what ever problem you got. Maybe talk to your relatives about the things that are bothering you. Ofcourse some people just don't want to live but that's such a small percentage.

Oh and for my cousin, death wasn't the best way for him. We found out what was wrong with him and that could've been fixed with counseling, just because he didn't see any reason to live right now doesn't mean he couldn't refind his will to live.

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

XMoshe wrote:

Well the main point is that suicide is a choice you make, but before you continue on with it you should look back and consider what it will do to those around you, the people you love and the ones that love you. Even if they can get over it why not try to work it out what ever problem you got. Maybe talk to your relatives about the things that are bothering you. Ofcourse some people just don't want to live but that's such a small percentage.

Right ok but why does the government has ideals that condemns suicide even if it isnt their business...
and I am saying government should themselves supervise it coming up with painless way for it.

Reise · **Joined:** May 2006 **Posts:** 6650 **Location:**

madah123 wrote:

Right ok but why does the government has ideals that condemns suicide even if it isnt their business...

Because the majority of the sane world appreciates being alive and considers suicide to be bad.

How old are you madah123?

Heosphoros · **Joined:** Apr 2009 **Posts:** 682 **Location:**

madah123 wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

Well the main point is that suicide is a choice you make, but before you continue on with it you should look back and consider what it will do to those around you, the people you love and the ones that love you. Even if they can get over it why not try to work it out what ever problem you got. Maybe talk to your relatives about the things that are bothering you. Ofcourse some people just don't want to live but that's such a small percentage.

Right ok but why does the government has ideals that condemns suicide even if it isnt their business...

Because suicide is just another word for murder. No, but the mass of the people believe that suicide is morally and ethically wrong. The same applies to some religions, so the government HAS to condemn it. You wouldn't want the people thinking that killing themselves is okay.

madah123 · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 176 **Location:** kuwait

Reise wrote:

madah123 wrote:

Right ok but why does the government has ideals that condemns suicide even if it isnt their business...

Because the majority of the sane world appreciates being alive and considers suicide to be bad.

How old are you madah123?

18 minus 2 months

Heosphoros wrote:

madah123 wrote:

XMoshe wrote:

Well the main point is that suicide is a choice you make, but before you continue on with it you should look back and consider what it will do to those around you, the people you love and the ones that love you. Even if they can get over it why not try to work it out what ever problem you got. Maybe talk to your relatives about the things that are bothering you. Ofcourse some people just don't want to live but that's such a small percentage.

Right ok but why does the government has ideals that condemns suicide even if it isnt their business...

Because suicide is just another word for murder. No, but the mass of the people believe that suicide is morally and ethically wrong. The same applies to some religions, so the government HAS to condemn it. You wouldn't want the people thinking that killing themselves is okay.

because?

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