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 Post subject: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:28 pm 
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READ The Tittle! oh and garment protector or armor?

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:28 pm 
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Fire Cold and Prot. It's better this way imo.

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:39 pm 
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A better question would be fire/ice or light/ice, with fire/light you don't have snowshield. In other words you will die within 3 skills, every single time.

Fire/Ice is the way to go, with prot like ^ said.

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:43 pm 
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XMoshe wrote:
A better question would be fire/ice or light/ice, with fire/light you don't have snowshield. In other words you will die within 3 skills, every single time.

Fire/Ice is the way to go, with prot like ^ said.

i wont have speed D:

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:45 pm 
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full int right?

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
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Yeah full int, taking a whole tree for just speed is insane =p Just use scrolls/pots or a bard if you're in a party with one. I had a fire/ice pure int and it raped.

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
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XMoshe wrote:
Yeah full int, taking a whole tree for just speed is insane =p Just use scrolls/pots or a bard if you're in a party with one. I had a fire/ice pure int and it raped.

ye but light cold would be better cuz parry ratio is good toO? and spear or s/s

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:00 pm 
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forgot my other post i wanna do an speak nuker light/ice cuz ill do more pve than pvp actually so i need garments cuz i dont have so much mag def cuz i dont have fire and thats it ?

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:02 pm 
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Let's see, you get speed/mag dmg/parry from light and fire imbue/fire wall/mag def/immunity/stronger nukes from fire. Added to that, speed is fixed with pots, mag dmg is not that needed since you are pure and spear and parry is overcome by fixing the whites on your gear. Ofcourse having both will increase it even more but that's where the fire wall and mag def comes in.

Spear or s/s, it's up to you really. For both I recommend fire/ice, s/s might have lower dmg but it has stats which increases the dmg by alot so you'll still deal good dmg even without light.

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
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In Solo, fire is better.

1) Increase Mag def
2) Immunity
3) Fire Wall
4) Stronger Imbue and 1 stronger Nuke (ish)


In Group, light is better.

1) Mag dmg inc
2) Dash
3) Parry inc

Immunity, increased mag def, and speed can be ignored since you have bards and clerics who have better buffs anyways. However, light gives you increase mag dmg, dash, and parry inc. Fire wall is useless in group pvp since you'll be stuck standing still while your group moves around.

The imbue is BARELY noticeable. I've already shown proof of this. Strongest vs Weakest imbue = woo a measly difference. Nuke-wise. Fire has 1 stronger and 1 weaker nuke. Disintegrate hits harder, not hellfire.

So in the end, each one is slightly better in its own way. If you wanna be a solo hero, go with fire and ice. If you plan on fighting on teams, go light ice.

I personally recommend fire ice for spear and light ice for s/s.

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:18 pm 
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i really dont know what to do what is the easier ... and cheaper -.-

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
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Light/Ice cost less sp IIRC.

Got some good points Goseki, although you don't really need dash (phantom) either in group grinding. That is if you got some lurers =p Also you have 2 strong fire nukes and 1 weaker one (if you lvl it at all that is). Light only has one, the book before that maxes out at like lvl 89 or something? o.O

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
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XMoshe wrote:
Light/Ice cost less sp IIRC.

Got some good points Goseki, although you don't really need dash (phantom) either in group grinding. That is if you got some lurers =p Also you have 2 strong fire nukes and 1 weaker one (if you lvl it at all that is). Light only has one, the book before that maxes out at like lvl 89 or something? o.O

ill go fire/ice protector spear but do i need to buy an shield and blade like i saw in a guideand what about fire wall you cant movve while using it :O?

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XMoshe wrote:
Light/Ice cost less sp IIRC.

Got some good points Goseki, although you don't really need dash (phantom) either in group grinding. That is if you got some lurers =p Also you have 2 strong fire nukes and 1 weaker one (if you lvl it at all that is). Light only has one, the book before that maxes out at like lvl 89 or something? o.O

ill go fire/ice protector spear but do i need to buy an shield and blade like i saw in a guideand what about fire wall you cant movve while using it :O?


Just a shield to use when you are knockdowned during pvp or want to do the fire shield (immunity) buff. Fire wall is a skill for pvp pretty much, it blocks mag attacks but also stats and things like stun/knockback/knockdown. It wont stand more than 2 mag attacks though so it's mostly used against str's so they can't put stats on your or knock you down or what ever while pvping. Opposite applies for ice wall.

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:47 am 
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guys i really dont know do lighting really suck cuz fire look like really hard to farm solo cuz you need some speed xD and shield nuker are gays lol

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XMoshe wrote:
Light/Ice cost less sp IIRC.

Got some good points Goseki, although you don't really need dash (phantom) either in group grinding. That is if you got some lurers =p Also you have 2 strong fire nukes and 1 weaker one (if you lvl it at all that is). Light only has one, the book before that maxes out at like lvl 89 or something? o.O


Sry, I was talking more about group pvp when referring to dashing.

Compared to the one strong light nuke, fire has one that is stronger with longer casting time, and one with the same casting time but weaker.

I also forgot, fire has longer range. Light nuke is 10m, fire nuke is 15m.

You were close moshe, the previous nuke is 86. Normally you would expect the next nuke to be at 110, 50 70 90 110. But of course JM likes to fck around and the new nuke isn't until like 112 or something.

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:45 am 
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example i wanna do some pvp for sure but not that much.. and i really wanna be able to lvl solo what should i get lol XDDDDDDDDD i really cant decide

jut tell me if i go spear light ice and heuskal 110 protector my char will be messed up?

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
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Nah your char will be fine, you'll lack a bit in the mag def though so you might want to think about garm.

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 Post subject: Re: FULL INT SPEAR NUKER FIRE/COLD OR FIRE LIGHT???
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XMoshe wrote:
Nah your char will be fine, you'll lack a bit in the mag def though so you might want to think about garm.

ill do thi swith garment thanks :)

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