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Please, read carefully, understand my point.

Im weslley, im from brazil, met SRO a little bit more than 5 years ago, in the 70 cap.
In the beggining i just played it, well, my first mmorpg, i really didnt know about anything, my highest char was lvl 17, a glaiver, with heuksal on 15, fire at 7, ice 6, force 10, and all those stupid things newbies do.
I switched servers 2 times, for then creating a blader and getting it to 32. Also, i entered a guild, which master told me about my stupid distribution of masteryes, told me some important stuff, that was when i began searching/reading/learning about SRO. Also, first time i heard of gap/farm.

Played a little more, managed to get a lvl 16 sos bow for 3m, i still remember, it was 5m, but i talked a lot with the guy, and he sold me for 3m. After that, i spent much time hunting elixirs, and i could make it +5, after some time.

That was the trigger for creating a new char. Then i started farming at bandit stronghold. But, without silks and help of other stuff, and with a weak bow(couldnt 1 hit) i farmed only 20k, still that took me to lvl 30. That was when premium first appeared, i bought it, and grinded to lvl 42, it took me 1 month from ~30 to 42, in my school break with a premiun, i was very happy and all.

Met some friends, then moved to other servers, but then, i had knowledge about, pratically, everything.

Later on, the euros came, i remember the morning i finished installing ad updated, it was really sunny, i created a bard, had much fun, and all. Created almost all builds, to lvl 20 only, and then i liked rogues.

I leveled it to lvl 46, of course, took some months, but, a huge mistake involving friends+passwords and i abandoned it. Now im at a new, but not changing anymore, server. (not now, i have been playing in it for 2 years already).

I spent almost 2 years without plaaying SRO, because my video board had died, and when i started playing again, some months ago, i took my glaiver lvl 20 with around 50k SPs which i got in free taxes at ongs, and its at 56 now, but with help of friends.

But then, searching around news and stuff, i came up yesterday with this forum. Its not new to me, always read many stuff here, but, i saw that post about it being a legit comunity, the sticky not to tell bot names, and some wars because of old "leaders" who "might have boted but there were no clues".

I found it so cool, tought to myself, wow, thats what i would love to see, a full legit comunnity.

But, i scroll down to read the comments and all, i can read the signatures, lv l10x, lvl 84 FF, and many others like that. Had to wait 24h to post this, so i lost connection to many things i was going to say.

Now, if a comunnity is so "anti-bot", reaching the point of banning users because they were saw botting/told bot names, whats up with those who are lvl 100+? What about "Full Farmed"?

Silkroad is meant something like, you lvl up faster than you gain SPs, when not having enough, you will get decrease in exp gain so that you can improve your skills in the meantime. Full Farming is somewhat "abusing" of that, not really the pure word, but using it in a "sholdnt be like this" way.

But thats ok, anyone with good weapons/set could lvl up with 9 gap, but none would achiev so many SPs hand grinding. Of course, why so much suffering, when you can just use a high level character to power lvl yourself.

Is that "high level" legit? im sure its not. Oh, you leveled that much in parties?
Yeah, thats possible, i got acces to friend´s account, warrior 72. In 1 week, i leveled once, to 73. Only with 1~2 hours of party, TRUE PARTY, warriors, wizards, dggers, clerics, bards. But with only 1 to 2 hours everyday i leveled from 72 to 73, really fast.

But, there aint no parties we can find below lvl 70, even 80 sometimes, there is not enough people legit to do so. In 5 of 10 parties around lvl 100 that are globaled to my server, have something like "101+ pt at mob X, 24/7". Oh yeah, there must be 4 people who plays in turns?

There aint no way to be fully legit. But wait, dont answer me yet.

Legit to me is, Hand-grinding, partying players the same lvl or little bit lower or higher and hand grinding together.

I see no (Does this exists?) "Legitness" in getting taxed/plvld/farmed. To get gap 9 and hand grind some SPs so that you can reach your lvl, is one thing, but getting taxed when in gap 9, to hand grind later, is not legit.

Now , why do you "repulse" straight bot users, but, makes nothing against people who uses things related to them? If you rob someone, youre guilty. If you see someone being robbed and does nothing about it, youre guilty. If you buy what was robbed, youre guilty. If you interact with a thief, you can be considered guilty too.

Now, what i see here, is you´re forgetting about the guilty when we take part into things that arent right. Just like i said, straight boting isnt the only un-legit thing. There are so many actions you guys, form the comunnity, make that is not legit.

Take that topic, uniques kill, you can see people with so many SPs for their level, or 80+, its possible, but, so unbeliavable.

Also, people buy gold from gold boters websites, which makes a lot of items easy to get, a lot of itens get their price so high because of the easy gold. You CANNOT be fully legit that way, all youre environment is crowded with wrong things. That oficial topic about private servers, that state, about the servers allowing their bot to be used and baning others. I see here something like that. Many here are 70+, 100+, some FF at lower levels and all.

WHY are they RIGHT of using indirect ways related to botting, WHY they can be considered legit?

If you read everything, i appreciate, leave your comment, hate me, love me, i just got a little sad about it.

Did i understood wrong? sorry, tell me whats wrong, and i´ll read more and search about it.

Unless any of you guys consider "legit" to strictly and only NOT USE DIRECTLY BOT, and using whatsover related to them, i dont think your opinion is what i want. Else, i would like to hear from all of you.

Its 2:30 am, im tired, oging to sleep, i´ll make corrections tomorrow, sorry for any inconvenience/errors.

I heard JM planning auto play system and some game has already.Ur character plays when u r afk.I m wondering what will happened o legit thing if JM will do this?Damm i m playing this game since 2006 i quited ages ago and started again anyways.Ppl drop lots of novas, sun items and i dropped only 2 times entie my sro life.Now i have full nova but never ever buy gold, i buyed them with my business acumen cuz i know how to make money.I guess buying gold is cheating like KEYSERSOZE 100000 (old gamers know this)

Yes. There are many rules and moralities but botting is the one big monster which is the main difference. Gold buying and alike is bad. And cheating in general is bad since it breaks rules.

Botting will remain to be the symbol, the face of illegitimacy because of its impact to the Silkroad Online community.

Questioning SRF's position is an awkward one. I'd like to say it derives itself from evidence rather than speculation. Like being similar to a justice system but for a video game. A lot of instances an individual sounds and looks bad but you cannot handcuff the person without evidence. Which I believe is the case here with the signatures. It's already known there's closet botters, even if it isn't the case of being in a closet, among the forum.

What does it take to be legitimate? Not to break rules. Or in Joymax's case, since the game is corrupt, not to break rules that games in general should have. Such as not purchasing in-game currency, not using a program to run/control your character, not to abuse bugs/glitches, not to use trickery/scheme your way into stealing from people. You know, the general run down for a lot of games. To play the game with a good conscience.

Where do people get the idea that being legit is simply a non-botter? It isn't. At least that's how it is (and should be) by definition that it's more than a non-botter. It is someone who doesn't cheat.

Yes. There are many rules and moralities but botting is the one big monster which is the main difference. Gold buying and alike is bad. And cheating in general is bad since it breaks rules.

Botting will remain to be the symbol, the face of illegitimacy because of its impact to the Silkroad Online community.

Questioning SRF's position is an awkward one. I'd like to say it derives itself from evidence rather than speculation. Like being similar to a justice system but for a video game. A lot of instances an individual sounds and looks bad but you cannot handcuff the person without evidence. Which I believe is the case here with the signatures. It's already known there's closet botters, even if it isn't the case of being in a closet, among the forum.

What does it take to be legitimate? Not to break rules. Or in Joymax's case, since the game is corrupt, not to break rules that games in general should have. Such as not purchasing in-game currency, not using a program to run/control your character, not to abuse bugs/glitches, not to use trickery/scheme your way into stealing from people. You know, the general run down for a lot of games. To play the game with a good conscience.

Where do people get the idea that being legit is simply a non-botter? It isn't. At least that's how it is (and should be) by definition that it's more than a non-botter. It is someone who doesn't cheat.

Posted 2 times wrongly.Btw why i see god damm frogs on ur signatures?
Image shack says unregistered domain all of them god dam frog

fck me.

whats with all the massive walls of text lately.

I get the same from you

OT:
VERY LONG post bro, put a little summary at the end?

I didn't read all of it but its something like how ppl who don't bot but take advantage of botters from power leveling and taxi's is wrong and stuff right? Well you also say about how u farmed 50k sp on a glavier from free ong parties that are run by bots

Well for myself I've never botted, taken advantage of free taxi and stuff yeah but I never really got past 60 lvl tbh, nvr really cared either. As for ppl who are 100+ or have multiple 80+ chars here, a lot of them have been playing for years on end(ppl with chin chars) others have made a wiz or something, gotten to like 64 then farmed and plvld themselves via multiple home computers then grinded.

There are several other ways ppl get to high lvl, if they want to take the effort, I'm sure some of them botted but when they are exposed they are banned from here.

Also no1 here supports RMT or other nefarious activities in sro if that's what you were asking.

wait, let me post a little sumary at the beggining, but, i´ll do that later, a little busy now.

I´m not sayig i am totally legit, i am questioning SRF´s position, as i said, i gave up to "this" silkroad.

But if SRF´s position is just like Zing said, not to break the game´s rules, then, there is no need to answer me anything.

I got this comunnity´s point wrong at first, but if that is it, thats ok... Just no big deal.

Anyway, about you guys(SRF) not spreadig private servers because they will get money from it, and some other stuff, in your official topic, taxing, farming, thats the same thing, helping and making botters advance more easily, "rewarding" them for doing so.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback in advance.

lol I thought I was the only one thinking that.

you two aren't the only ones. it seems people are beginning to see the way you play Silkroad as a way of life

tldr blah blah legit blah blah botters. zing where you been!?

It is a meeting of minds, you don't have to read it all.

If you turned to botting, byebye.
If you're still legit one way or another, props to you.
Anyone who doesn't use third party program is legit on JM's paper. Doesn't matter how you look at it, what they see is what counts.

LOL this post reminds me of how I felt after leaving my first server after being one of the few legits within the group I knew there: while we played legit and barely leveled (we only ever got to 64 and not even FF; also we didn't buy silk on that server), everyone else who botted got FF'd and capped more than one chars several times.

Before I went to Venus I didn't even believe it was possible to get fully farmed and capped legit and that was only during 70/80cap (SP and EXP fails in comparison to 90+), until I experienced it myself; Got to Lv90 in just 3months, got FF in another 3 (and I only played heavily during the SP farming which I did the absolutely SLOW method; I could have done it in half the time if I did it earlier like everyone else).

OT: Your arguments are mixed and difficult to be understood clearly on what you're trying to get at exactly. Either it's you not believing it's possible for someone to have a lot of SP, or have X level while playing legit, or it is you just having a bias of some preconceived notion that, that must mean something other than what it is.

You have a very good point, as you explained, most people aren't legit, but hey, what would joymax do if they did ban all the bots? they'd have populated/easy servers, every day, gain no money, they'd go broke, rumor has it, buy 300 silk and you don't get banned, well, that's what i heard, but ill go by your ways of explaining, What is the world, without a couple of criminals, or junkies, or losers, the world would be nothing, people would be jobless, and the world would be peaceful, Moral of this story, is joymax wont do shit at all, if you don't like the game, im sure they wont mind if you quit, just my opinion.

Ok, i see many... "missunderstoods" from my <sarcasm>AWESOMELY explained post,</sarcasm>.

But, well, thats ok, thanks for all the replies.


Yeah of course, i am not telling anyone to change rules or anything, just wanted to get the same ideas you guys have. Thanks again.

I foolishly believe that who I am and how I act are a reflection of my character, regardless of where I display it. These values were put into me in such a way that I do not need the threat of punishment or retaliation in order to adhere to them! OMG! So... Im legit, Im such a dumbass, amirite?

yes you are

Every botter says so.

oehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

THANK YOU!! you are 1000% right.

thats the prob with these forums is everyone bots. and they closet bot and thats the saddest part of it. in a legit part lvl 72 to 73 took a week! where as this guy said he made 99 to 110 in a month in another thread *cough*completeBS*cough*

plvling and getting plvled is considered botting. its like second hand smoking u might as well be smoking ur getting the effects of the other person doing w/e anyway right?

There is Joymax's definition of legit, the obvious definitions of legit, and the grey areas. You should really only be concerned with the first 2, whereas the grey areas are left up to how you think/feel about the situation..


Legit?

Botting - No
Powerlevel - Yes
Powerlevel from a bot - No
Buying Gold - No
Buying any in game things with real money (not silk obviously) - No

Party (8/8) with bots - Up to you..

Powerlevel from a botted character, but the user is currently hand grinding - Up to you..

Party (8/8) with botted characters who are currently handgrinding - Up to you..

Buying things from botters (indirectly helping them) - Up to you..

might have left some things out..been a while

SRF agree's with JM's description of legit along with some other obvious legit definitions, as well as banning for bot support among other things..

Is there anyone left on these forums that still thinks banning all the botters was a good thing? (not saying anything is gonna change or nuffin) I just think at this point it never really mattered if they botted or not.

well i cba reading all the posts from everyone, i read almost all from the thread creator but hey, nowadays its not that hard with a good steady party. it took me around 1~2 months to get to 76 in azteca(and i was slacking), the part where you said it took you 1 week to go to 72~73, it took me 1 day or less with quests. silkroad has been changed, quests have been buffed alot and with the people i played the grinding is almost non stopping. for example, there is already a party 90+ legit in azteca, because they know each other and have a steady party, using the 3~5 hours of premium and then i dunno doing whatever they want.

I lol'd at this.

I read too much.

Still, I lol'd.

There might be massive walls of text but OMG FOR ONCE! You have to READ something, instead of something being one TINY paragraph 80% of this forum are lazy@$$s .

LEGIT FTW!

Where 'Up to you...' is essentially your moral stand point.
Of course, it's more like your virtual moral stand point ;P

lol?