to clarify things about my guild. (xian)

winterNightS · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 93 **Location:**

i posted this in reply to the accusations/rumors in another thread ( http://silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=18906&start=30 ) but i thought it would be important to post this again as a separate thread. i know its kind of a "double-post" so if you think it is unnecessary feel free to delete this, ryoko. i leave that judgment call to you.

for those who dont know, my guild, Soju, on xian was kicked from the deranged union and many people have simply taken up the assumption that it was for botting. this is not true.

this is basically copy-pasted from my other reply:

to clarify things and quelch unsightly rumors, we were NOT booted for corn botting. there is no proof that he did, all it says is banned for illegal program use. of course that'd seem to be obviously botting but who knows, it could be a mistake or his anti virus bypassing gameguard or anything. anyway that's not a big deal. if anyone in my guild bots i kick without hesitation and most ppl know that. im one of the most anti-bot ppl -_-

anyway just wanted to say this was NOT the reason we were kicked. it was actually for something that was entirely stupid imo and i was disappointed in the reason. if we were banned for botting, i would agree, fair reason. but it wasnt because of that. we were kicked basically because we had a bad "rep." whatever that means. the nike botters hate us and avalon doesnt like most of us and they try to bring our image down without any proof (see brown's post above). well i guess y'all succeeded. i am sad to leave over something like that when i feel we have really done nothing wrong. i try to play this game as honestly as possible, i'm sure ppl who know me in game will agree with that. if brown was still there i dont think we wouldve been kicked, from my experience with him before he left and how he dealt with issues like this (so plz. brown come back XD) anyway really a stupid reason... -__- i really liked the union because i thought it was above such stupid things like this and i really respected brown as gm because of this. guess its not like that anymore tho.

sorry didnt mean to rant or anything. im not angry or anything. just wanted to clear things up. and this doesnt change anything. i will continue to run my guild in the best way that i can and do everything in my power to keep it legit. thanks everyone in the union for everything while we were there. i cant tell ppl not to hate us, its just beyond my power (i dont have jedi mind trick abilities), but if you have a problem with us, i suggest you come talk to me about it instead of flaming my entire guild. that'd be kind of the mature thing to do, wouldn't it? thanks.

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**

The ORIGINAL Soju, with bambski as leader, winternights, and alot of other legit players was a nice guild. Then u merge with some bots, and boom, reputation ruined. If lets say deranged merged with NIKE, it would be the same result. Its not only those people that ruined your rep, its people like SneakySnado, who joined Ragnorak, borrowed an sos 64+5 spear, then quit and joined Soju. Then there are people like SDub who get murder status using the nuke bug on them.

Gildy · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 29 **Location:**

with a tear in my eye i will agree with fly lol... corndog and his apocs crew seemed to have merged with ur guild... corndog isnt trustworthy if people knew about half the sht he did before his guild got decent and what he did to get it like that not to many people would like him.. ( oh inviting botters in for GP to quickly lvl the guild up.. Hmmm) thats just one thing there lmao.. ya i have a reliable source for this information too.. and his idiotic members like Sdub and so forth makes u guys look bad.... sigh*

bambskiii · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 719 **Location:**

to clarify..I've never been in soju, thanks for saying im a nice guy though^^

hi_babe_ · **Posted:** Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:01 pm

Fly wrote:

The ORIGINAL Soju, with bambski as leader, winternights, and alot of other legit players was a nice guild. Then u merge with some bots, and boom, reputation ruined. If lets say deranged merged with NIKE, it would be the same result. Its not only those people that ruined your rep, its people like SneakySnado, who joined Ragnorak, borrowed an sos 64+5 spear, then quit and joined Soju. Then there are people like SDub who get murder status using the nuke bug on them.

man that s totaly bullshits, bambski has never been in Soju and SneakySnado found his sosSpear himself he has been in Ragnarok to help a friend to lvl up the guild.

Some ppl has a bad rep because some ppl say bs and some ppl believe bs.

XuChu · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2429 **Location:** here

hi_babe_ wrote:

Fly wrote:

The ORIGINAL Soju, with bambski as leader, winternights, and alot of other legit players was a nice guild. Then u merge with some bots, and boom, reputation ruined. If lets say deranged merged with NIKE, it would be the same result. Its not only those people that ruined your rep, its people like SneakySnado, who joined Ragnorak, borrowed an sos 64+5 spear, then quit and joined Soju. Then there are people like SDub who get murder status using the nuke bug on them.

man that s totaly bullshits, bambski has never been in Soju and SneakySnado found his sosSpear himself he has been in Ragnarok to help a friend to lvl up the guild.

Some ppl has a bad rep because some ppl say bs and some ppl believe bs.

ow fly thats gotta hurt

winterNightS · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 93 **Location:**

hi_babe_ wrote:

Fly wrote:

The ORIGINAL Soju, with bambski as leader, winternights, and alot of other legit players was a nice guild. Then u merge with some bots, and boom, reputation ruined. If lets say deranged merged with NIKE, it would be the same result. Its not only those people that ruined your rep, its people like SneakySnado, who joined Ragnorak, borrowed an sos 64+5 spear, then quit and joined Soju. Then there are people like SDub who get murder status using the nuke bug on them.

man that s totaly bullshits, bambski has never been in Soju and SneakySnado found his sosSpear himself he has been in Ragnarok to help a friend to lvl up the guild.

Some ppl has a bad rep because some ppl say bs and some ppl believe bs.

yep. thats a lotta rumors o.o bambski was never gm of soju, he never even was a member... i created this guild and have been gm of it ever since. and from what i know, what hi babe said about sneaky is true. this kinda illustrates my point doesnt it? how ppl can just make anything up and ppl will believe it eh... as hi babe said -_- lol found that kinda funny how completely wrong that was when i first read it ^^;

BrowNTyGeR · **Posted:** Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:46 pm

rumors here rumors there...

i'll see when i get back into sro early november. By the look of how joymax is running sro, after a year later since the release of alpha stage, doesn't excite me to keep playing sro...soooo..*COUGH*70fullyfarmedlegitglaiverforsale*COUGH*...cough cough..maybeee lol

S1cKn3s5 · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 703 **Location:**

Another day in the politics of SRO.

PaulWall · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7 **Location:**

Ahhhhh the great days of Soju when bambski was our heralded leader! Oh wait he never was!

winterNightS · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 93 **Location:**

i also thought this might help "clarify" some things about my guild so i am reposting it here. its getting kinda annoying having these 2 threads... XD

winterNightS wrote:

nightbloom wrote:

Honestly, I dont know if Corn is legit or not... And like you, I dont rightly care. I know it doesnt seem that way.

My greatest beef is he KNOWS ppl in his guild are botters. He knows Sdub botted, he KNOWS Hydrate bots. But instead of dealing with them, he flames Avalon for catching them. Corn cannot honestly, truthfully say he doesnt know about the botters in his guild. We know cause we had this discussion with him in Vent. He makes excuses, gives them semiplausible explainations, etc... Legit guild means, your members, to the best of your knowledge, are legit. No cheating, CCFing, botting, etc... dEranged is, XLaw is, Avalon is.

Soju is not.

you (and many other ppl) keep claiming that my guild is nonlegit, and as i have pointed out before, i honestly believe that i try just as hard as anyone to keep my guild legit. i dont necessarily care that much if some ppl in my guild arent always nice and thats not something i can help. but i DO care very much if we are legit or not and i Do try to do everything in my power to keep it that way. so everyone makes these accusations but no1 has given me ANY proof of anyone in my guild botting. and when anyone has been proven to be botting, they have been banned instantly. so please, if you have any proof at all, let me know about it and i will deal with it accordingly instead of just saying we are without any proof to try to ruin our "rep" as you seem to have already done. its really not fair of you to accuse us in such a manner without any proof. as brown said, when we first joined the union, we had discussed this matter and came to the understanding that while many people were accusing some our the apoc member of botting, there was no proof of it. i told him that if anyone found any proof i would ban without hesitation which he agreed to be fair. simply attacking my guild without any proof is not.

so please, it's getting to be more than enough. as i said what other ppl thought of my guild has never been my first priority--rather being legit was--but all of this has stupidly gotten us kicked out of a union. if you're going to accuse us, find something to base it on and not just saying it or making it up because people will believe anything on the internet (see my other thread http://silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=19038... bambski as soju gm... gg). im sure no1 would appreciate being accused in such a manner, and imo thats really not the right thing to do. thank you.

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also i find it kinda funny and illustrative of my point that when this first happened EVERYONE was SO SURE that corn was a botter (see like 1st page of this thread) and now even nb says she doesn't know if he is legit or not (see quoted 1st sentence above). i will reiterate (to throw in some big words for effect): please find me proof of any nonlegit activity by the members of my guild. if anyone really is nonlegit, theres no1 else who wants to know more than i do. so i can ban them on the spot. thank you.

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nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

You misunderstood my sentence then... I meant "botting" in place of "legit"

I dont know if he is botting, but I DO know he is not legit. He was banned for illegal program use. Banned for not being legit. I dont care of he was caught botting. I wasnt there. I am not in with JoyMax enough to know what "illegal program use" means. BUt Im sure that using an illegal program isnt legit.

Nesseight · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 16 **Location:**

It's like that in every game, one bad user or a false-positive on a legit user can ruin the reputation of an entire guild, especially if they continue to support that user.

It's doubtful that an anti-virus bypassed the protection software, if that was the case I doubt the game would have allowed him to connect at all. In order to bypass an anti-cheat and still connect, you have to/have someone/find someone that reverse engineer(ed) the anti-cheat, find it's weaknesses, and specifically exploit them.

There are two reasons for bypassing SRO's anti-cheat software, one is to play on Linux, and the other is to bot/(insert some kind of cheat for purposes other than botting). Both of which are prohibited, the former being discredited by the latter, much like your guild/guildmate.

The anti-cheat software prevents players from playing the game on Linux using Cedega as it uses methods which are considered proprietary/undocumented even by Windows' standards let alone an emulator, but I am not here trying to make excuses for your guildie, nor am I here to judge you, him, or your guild. Unless you were sitting next to him, you really don't know what he was up to, and if it's a hard-proven fact that he bypassed the anti-cheat and ruined the reputation of your guild, you have a hard call to make, whether his reasons were legitimate or not, chances are your trust was betrayed.

I have been in several clans over the years, and I am often shocked at the lengths people go to when they want to impress their online peers. When they are caught, the cost is often great. Not only is the clan/guild's reputation ruined, but other members feel a sense of betrayal. Some people get their kicks from that, I suppose. Everyone else takes it personally.

Xob!le · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 55

OR, it could have been a response to a certain guild mass reporting him saying he was botting...But who knows JoyMax is a very mysterious power

Profemi · **Posted:** Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:32 pm

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

Nesseight wrote:

It's like that in every game, one bad user or a false-positive on a legit user can ruin the reputation of an entire guild, especially if they continue to support that user.

It's doubtful that an anti-virus bypassed the protection software, if that was the case I doubt the game would have allowed him to connect at all. In order to bypass an anti-cheat and still connect, you have to/have someone/find someone that reverse engineer(ed) the anti-cheat, find it's weaknesses, and specifically exploit them.

There are two reasons for bypassing SRO's anti-cheat software, one is to play on Linux, and the other is to bot/(insert some kind of cheat for purposes other than botting). Both of which are prohibited, the former being discredited by the latter, much like your guild/guildmate.

The anti-cheat software prevents players from playing the game on Linux using Cedega as it uses methods which are considered proprietary/undocumented even by Windows' standards let alone an emulator, but I am not here trying to make excuses for your guildie, nor am I here to judge you, him, or your guild. Unless you were sitting next to him, you really don't know what he was up to, and if it's a hard-proven fact that he bypassed the anti-cheat and ruined the reputation of your guild, you have a hard call to make, whether his reasons were legitimate or not, chances are your trust was betrayed.

I have been in several clans over the years, and I am often shocked at the lengths people go to when they want to impress their online peers. When they are caught, the cost is often great. Not only is the clan/guild's reputation ruined, but other members feel a sense of betrayal. Some people get their kicks from that, I suppose. Everyone else takes it personally.

Great post...

Creepy avatar! O.o

Profemi - Anger management class lately?

Profemi · **Posted:** Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:06 pm

Profemi · **Posted:** Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:07 pm

moley · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 332 **Location:**

because 30 minutes is fast :roll:

SpiritPower · **Posted:** Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:03 am

Ohhh i see bloom-hacker and fly-scamm accuses anyone again ..

Ryoko · **Joined:** Dec 2005 **Posts:** 6390 **Location:**

I have yet to add my full two cents to this, and probobly wont

It wouldnt be fair as admin / community leader to bring people down or make remarks.

Alot of people (I count 4) making statements like "no one knows WHY they dont like apoc". But from personal experience....

Seeing a small KS blown up to a massive union chat fight

Seeing friends of the union robbed by union

Being killed by mule when I had wanted status and no suit (80k xp, no arrest....) just to hear " do you like that Ryoko?"

Being called very entertaining 'nicknames' by your guild

Being harrassed while I train nachals

Putting up with 999999 bullshit globals about hellzangels and other guilds

People comming here and making pure flame, non discussional threads

<I just saw a new thread after I submitted this.>

Sneaky getting the spear from uglymug, NOT from origami, kicking everyone out of the guild (disband?) then leaving and claiming it was a drop (Oryigami... good kid... never botted... 70 without gold ticket.. didnt deserve it)

So you can't really say 'people trying to bring your image down' - they did it for themselves

The real dirt (botting / powerleveling / gold buying) im not gonna dump it on people. But please don't look me in the eyes and call me a liar. It pisses me off. I was on vent too. I know who did. I know who still does. I know who did today.

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