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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:20 pm 
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Jadekiss wrote:
@HertogJan... i already said that it is up to everyone !
if you like playing your char then keep on playing it and go on but if u agree with me that bow isnt really a full str weapon then try this guide out and you will see !
BUT you dont have to if you dont want this guide is definitiv just a help for the others :)
so happy grinding


See.. the problem is the Title of this thread

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Dempster wrote:
See.. the problem is the Title of this thread


As much as I believe this build can be useful, I have to agree wtih Dempster on this one.

The title is misleading, as you, Jadekiss, have even admitted that it still has room for fine tuning.


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Didn't I say that on page 7 or 8? Guess the font wasn't big enough :shock:

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I didnt think hybrid is the best, but i think pure is not the best either. For bow, dont think u'll win in any 1vs1. Hybrid sword will kick your ass with 1 knockdown + 3 stabs = 10k damage, when u get up, u die. So even with hybrid or str, u'll die. Bowmanship doesnt have skill that gives effect!

But i reconsider of choosing hybrid bow for fast lvling, u'll die in 1v1 anyway. In guild war, just stay behind, no need to tank with blader and glaiver.

but if a couple blades come after you you can't tank them for any time whatsoever...

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If anyone has this build on RedSea around lvl52 to 60..

I'd like to pvp you with my full str 52 archer.


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same here, i am lvl 56 atm in the RedSea server (Full STR Bow). And if the 70:70 build defeats me, im gonna start a new char and make a 70:70 archer :) Because then u have something unique that is actually really good :twisted:

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who said hybrid sux?? meet my 90/55 STR type glaiver. and lets see. u can have the extra HP (from being pure) and meet my extra DAMAGE. BTW i only use +3 weap. :twisted:


Ok, at 56 i fought a 57 hybrid glavie like yours with 56+3 glavie .... hmm verry strong my hp stood at 4500, yeah it's great to be hibrid. Final score 5-0 for me. Oh... he nuked me with 50 dmg =))

All you hibrids out there, when u will reach 75 u will start a new char. Unless u have sosun weapon to make up for the loss of your char.


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 Post subject: Fun
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Could someone want to just Bow for fun? I am speaking strictly pve but I have had a ton of fun firing anti/devil/anti from a distance while the bladers and glavies are in close fighting taking the damage. I rarely get hit against small groups of mobs if you are traveling with a good group of metal. I pick a nice spot and rain down fire.....anyway I like to have a bow or two traveling on hunting parties plus some of it looks really cool. I think some folks like to go in an play as if you were part of the band of 9 heading out of Rivendell. I think there are a ton of players that enjoy the NPC/MOB part of the game and have no desire to PVP. Those people are some of the ones that really enjoy hybrids, 3 tree, 4 tree builds, or putting SP in simply cool looking effects. Isn't if about having fun not about my glav is bigger than your glav :wink:


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that is nice build


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povkutis wrote:
that is nice build


it sure is! if you just installed the game 5 minutes ago! :roll:

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@Dempster i see you still keeping on blaming this build .. ok i hope you have fun on that... because i dont care about you =) get a life and have a nice day
you shouldnt waste your time here and show off your dickhead

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U KNow What Jadekiss I will Make this Build Shine For it Seems Like im The only ONe happpy With this Build i Have 70:70 Balanced and with Equips 73:83
But i dont have int and Str on everrything wait until i reach lvl 45 i Tell u one thing guyz Has long has u have money this build will be a force to Reckon With ok i See u At lvl 45.


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Jadekiss wrote:
@Dempster i see you still keeping on blaming this build .. ok i hope you have fun on that... because i dont care about you =) get a life and have a nice day
you shouldnt waste your time here and show off your dickhead

thx =)


Who's showing off?, I ain't showin nothing but facts, and the cussing really isn't necissary. If you don't want flames don't create such a misleading thread.. Hybrid bows die faster than any build I've ever seen in my entire SRO life... ( i been playin since Isro opened, oh and what was the first server Jade? Aege right? LMFAO it was XIAN(thats showing off))

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@kabu goodl uck and have fun =)

@Dempster your reaction is like a lil kid =)
i knew it that you will react like that but nvm u dont need to write with so big fonts no1 cares about you and your post
need to diss me with the first server shit ? how lame
i can say only OWNED wahaha lol noob
GET A LIFE

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Whether or not you believe this build is valid, most would have to agree that some interesting points were raised and a few important things were brought to light in this thread.

It would be wise for people on both sides of the issue to refrain from ad hominid attacks so that this thread doesn't devolve into some garbage flame war.


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Eukanuba wrote:
Whether or not you believe this build is valid, most would have to agree that some interesting points were raised and a few important things were brought to light in this thread.

It would be wise for people on both sides of the issue to refrain from ad hominid attacks so that this thread doesn't devolve into some garbage flame war.


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 Post subject: making the build
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I am currently working on this build right now and so far it's doing me pretty good. As of right now it has higher attack then pure str archers on pvm. Have not tried yet on pvp though.


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umerasmez wrote:
metroAID wrote:
who said hybrid sux?? meet my 90/55 STR type glaiver. and lets see. u can have the extra HP (from being pure) and meet my extra DAMAGE. BTW i only use +3 weap. :twisted:


Ok, at 56 i fought a 57 hybrid glavie like yours with 56+3 glavie .... hmm verry strong my hp stood at 4500, yeah it's great to be hibrid. Final score 5-0 for me. Oh... he nuked me with 50 dmg =))

All you hibrids out there, when u will reach 75 u will start a new char. Unless u have sosun weapon to make up for the loss of your char.


im a hybrid but i dont do nukes. just because i say im a hybrid that doesnt mean every hybrid needs to nuke. INT HYBRID nukes. not the STR type. :P the one you fought must be weak. no offense to that guy but DONT generalize.


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And a 90/55 isnt a 80/80...a 80/80 is stronger... like someone said:

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Let's do a little math :
For a bow, mag = 1.6 * phy power
Now let's call phy power = X , mag power = Y = 1.6X
For a pure Str bow : 97%X + 28%Y = (97 + 28*1.6)%X = 141.8X
For 70:70 build : 70%X +70%Y = (70+70*1.6)%X = 182X "

and this is for a 70/70

if the % is equal in every weapons (glavie/bow) like its above...
making the math we have:

Hybrid 1 (90+55*1.6) =178x
Hybrid 2 (80+80*1.6) =208x

and now you can think...and if i make a 90/60(55...above i think thats impossible) since mag gives more dmg...

Hybrid 3 (60+90*1.6) =204x

guess what it wont work...

i have to give u gz for this build...im testing it, dont know if this works like works on theory but i think that gives some fun to the game...

and ppl that flame the build have a good thing to do...stay with ur pure thing and dont mess arround with this....all equal is just lame..i played diablo 2 for 5 years and one thing that i can tell u is that the most nice chars appear like this build...from ppl that test diferent things....


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So far the attack on mobs compared to a STR bow is way stronger. I would say 100-200 dmg stronger. Crit is higher too ofcourse. Currently lvl 32 with this build. 3 gapping and full farmed. the 3 arrow combo on a full str doesn't go over 170 or 180 on scorpions I don't think since I had a full str bow before. Don't remember though. But this build goes over 210 each arrow with the 3 arrow combo. Pretty impressive build I would say.


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Although the HP will be lower than a STR bow, consider getting Heuskal passive for more HP instead of ice. It will benefit more later.


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First off, I'm a completely newb when it comes to Silkroad. But I was wondering, since I'm going to make 70/70 bow hybrid, how should I level my skills? If possible, I want a level by level guide.


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It's complicated how to up your stat points in order to make it 70:70. Have to make sure you don't have any int or str bonus on the items you're currently wearing. But other than that all you have to do is to put in either str or int until it's the physical and magical balance are equal to each other.


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Oh yeah it doesn't have to be equal all the time. 69:70 or 70:69 doesn't matter. Even 72:70. you'll be able to fix that later. The cause of this is either you have gear with int or str bonus. But yeah like I said this won't matter.


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Sadistic wrote:
And a 90/55 isnt a 80/80...a 80/80 is stronger... like someone said:

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Let's do a little math :
For a bow, mag = 1.6 * phy power
Now let's call phy power = X , mag power = Y = 1.6X
For a pure Str bow : 97%X + 28%Y = (97 + 28*1.6)%X = 141.8X
For 70:70 build : 70%X +70%Y = (70+70*1.6)%X = 182X "

and this is for a 70/70

if the % is equal in every weapons (glavie/bow) like its above...
making the math we have:

Hybrid 1 (90+55*1.6) =178x
Hybrid 2 (80+80*1.6) =208x

and now you can think...and if i make a 90/60(55...above i think thats impossible) since mag gives more dmg...

Hybrid 3 (60+90*1.6) =204x

guess what it wont work...

i have to give u gz for this build...im testing it, dont know if this works like works on theory but i think that gives some fun to the game...

and ppl that flame the build have a good thing to do...stay with ur pure thing and dont mess arround with this....all equal is just lame..i played diablo 2 for 5 years and one thing that i can tell u is that the most nice chars appear like this build...from ppl that test diferent things....


im a glaiver not a bow user but also im building the 70/69 bow.

my glaive build is a 90/55.
like i said i dont need the extra HP since the discipline is heuksal u can have the passive buff that increases HP. all i need is the extra damage that will turn the tide in the game.(flame on for this, im immune. :P)
like i said, i dont do PURE my brains just wont work if i do that :banghead:

atm lvl 16 bow build 70/69. still farming.


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Well good luck to all who trust me and give this guide a chance =)
hope you have fun and do a good work ;)

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I began a new char, as soon as the thread came up. When i read the guide it had 32 wiews... :) Yeah, tried the build too. Leveled to 35: I do very well in PvE, but I have serious lacks in PvP. With good gear i'm 74:75. If bladers block, i'm dead. Glavies kill me sometimes, but it happens that i kill them too. However, in the prospect fo the future, the build shows serious weaknesses: I wonder how a 80:80 bow can tank multiple triple stabs from a hyrbid int S&S/pure STR blade, or SSS+SSM+GSM from a STR glavie/Int Spear. This is the only doubt I have. As stated above: excellent in PvE, weak in PvP. <there was no intention of flaming the guide, these were just my observations>


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Can you tell us alittle more about your build:
what sos do you have, main force tree etc...

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You have to have tactics during a pvp with a blader. First of all you just don't stand there (i've seen a lot of bowers do this and it's very stupid). Don't pvp unless you have phantom walk (this skills is very important when using an archer with pvp) cause an archers advantage is it's long range!! I think Ice would do good in pvp since it slows down the opponent just a little bit though but not enough damage. The opponent recovers pretty quick with abnormal heals so fire is better. So instead, get the Frost Nova Series. Using this against your opponent in pvp cancels their attacks. During a pvp once Frost Nova is used they're sometimes frozen or slowed down. During that time you can phantom walk out of there and start hitting again.


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You have to have tactics during a pvp with a blader. First of all you just don't stand there (i've seen a lot of bowers do this and it's very stupid). Don't pvp unless you have phantom walk (this skills is very important when using an archer with pvp) cause an archers advantage is it's long range!! I think Ice would do good in pvp since it slows down the opponent just a little bit though but not enough damage. The opponent recovers pretty quick with abnormal heals so fire is better. So instead, get the Frost Nova Series. Using this against your opponent in pvp cancels their attacks. During a pvp once Frost Nova is used they're sometimes frozen or slowed down. During that time you can phantom walk out of there and start hitting again.


Your tactics are not very impressive :).

First of all, Frost Nova series sucks ass. There is no use to it. It takes lot of mp.



"Don't pvp unless you have phantom walk "

If you are in pvp, it is not time to run. When you run enemy heals herself and it will be endless potion war. Point is that you need to make maxium damage, that your opponent cant heal herself enough. There is no other way to kill enemy expect if hes retard.
Running and hiding behind own teamates is good tactic in guildwars, but not in pvp.

This skill is maybe useful if you are getting ganged by many opponents or if you just want to run when you are loosing...


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