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@alfred Ty for the response, i know that fireshield is not a passive and it's act using a shield. You are right that you need only 5%, tabs are not a big probl, fireshield max needs about 6800sp from what i know.
Ice stun is an abnormal status that's true but from what i know it will still stop you from casting a nuke, etc. .I consider that a slight advantage.
If what you say is 100% true and you are indeed immune to every abnormal status what so ever, than I see no advantage gained from ice except PvM and fire is the way to go.

One more q: can a full str fire archer outdamage with antidevil crit a pure int spear ?


and yes, i have realized this at when i was 4x, good know you have finally realized this before you reach the cap lol...
thats why 99% char are using fire imbue, so...its up to you now to be immue to ice or not, becoz you can hardly see anyone pvp u with ice anyways.


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more likely a devil arrow crit (last book of berserker arrow), since that is their most damaging skill.

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lol this thread is going to be a discussing about ice immune/resistence ? xD
great job ! :P

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The force used is also part of any build.

So many archers use ice at least at the beginning. It works well for PvE allowing you to kill while grinding before anything even hits you once.

But for the imbue at higher levels in PvP, ice does not work nearly as well as fire does because of fire shield. The freeze effect can be eliminated plus the Ice imbue is not as strong as the Fire Imbue.

Just something to think about as you are levling up an archer is all.

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sorry guys I have been their done that. If you wanna be any good in pvp... don't be hybrid bower. Go pure str for the crits. crits. crits. Tried JadeKiss guide and it bored me. I was sad that I deleted my str bower. Oh well, doesn't matter anymore spear pwns. Oh and heres a lil story for you guys. I was pvping with a level 25 str bower who I knew. He had a 24+3 sos bow and I had a 24 +3 spear. It seemed to be about 50:50 if he crit.. he could win. If not, well lets just say that even with all his hp I could 2 hit him. I wish I could find a low level hybrid bower to pvp with it would be great when the crits do less and I can 1 hit em.. haha.


Seemed appropriate to "warn" you guys.

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sorry guys I have been their done that. If you wanna be any good in pvp... don't be hybrid bower. Go pure str for the crits. crits. crits. Tried JadeKiss guide and it bored me. I was sad that I deleted my str bower. Oh well, doesn't matter anymore spear pwns. Oh and heres a lil story for you guys. I was pvping with a level 25 str bower who I knew. He had a 24+3 sos bow and I had a 24 +3 spear. It seemed to be about 50:50 if he crit.. he could win. If not, well lets just say that even with all his hp I could 2 hit him. I wish I could find a low level hybrid bower to pvp with it would be great when the crits do less and I can 1 hit em.. haha.


Seemed appropriate to "warn" you guys.


Hmmm. Good looking out. I wonder what he means when he says "bored", and also wonder why he didn't post it in this thread.

Jadekiss, I eagerly await your response.


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hmm i cant say anything against him/his post... but i also wonder why he didnt post that here by his own ?!
but i already said that this build will take a lot of time and money :P
so i dont care if he got bored... and maybe he didnt do it well ?
i dont know but FACT is that you can build whatever you want this is just my guide and help nothing else

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and good speed[?]

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lmao +1


But anyway im lol'ing at all these people saying "oh well i fought some lvl 24 blah blah blah" were talking about fully farmed capped characters, i promise you Jadekiss's bow build is awesome at the cap.

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@senapanag lol you seem to be a funny guy lol'ing here all the time xD
but ok :)
icant promise that you guys will do a great job with this bow build because it also depends on the player how he plays his/her char !
so if you dont trust this build here and wont give it a try then go full str
that would be also ok becausei ts your choice =)

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senapanaga wrote:
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and good speed[?]


lmao +1


But anyway im lol'ing at all these people saying "oh well i fought some lvl 24 blah blah blah" were talking about fully farmed capped characters, i promise you Jadekiss's bow build is awesome at the cap.


Taintofsleep was one of the first people to jump on board the 69:70 build, and now he's suddenly jumped ship.

The things about this that confuses me is that he
- posted it in a different thread (yes, I read it with my own eyes)
- admonished people against the build
- did not provide any reasons why the build didn't work out, other than the possibility that it is boring. He further goes on to say he regrets deleting his str archer, which I don't really see a major difference in play style/fun factor between the two.

And something I've been wondering, will imbued archer skills at a 69:70 outdamage imbued nukes at the same balances?

Also, how is your archer coming along, Jadekiss? This question extends to anyone else creating this character.


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Taintforsleep what's ur nickname in game??? i'm 34 lvl 70:70 bower and i'm wery glad about this built... maybe in pvp i could prove that it's not crap of shit :D I like the play style, in PVE this built rocks in PVP too, this built is amazing... and yes, jadekiss, what's ur lwl and how works ur built?? :)


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hmm. my char is right now lvl 24 with 9 gap = sp farming
but i cant play silkroad right now because i dont have the time...school etc.
lots of exams so i cant afford the time on silkroad =/

@PanIC you could make a video about a pvp later and post here if you have the time =)

well good luck all need to study again lol how crappy ^^

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senapanaga wrote:
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lmao +1


But anyway im lol'ing at all these people saying "oh well i fought some lvl 24 blah blah blah" were talking about fully farmed capped characters, i promise you Jadekiss's bow build is awesome at the cap.

did your hybrid bow manage to cap before he got banned? Well if he botted like Rate :P

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Hybrid bow? Fail.


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Eukanuba wrote:
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Hybrid bow? Fail.


Elaborate.


Bow=crit

Hybrid=lower crit

And besides, bow has shit defence and needs the extra HP to back it up.

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MegaMan wrote:
Eukanuba wrote:
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Hybrid bow? Fail.


Elaborate.


Bow=crit

Hybrid=lower crit

And besides, bow has shit defence and needs the extra HP to back it up.


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Hello_Kitty wrote:
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Hybrid bow? Fail.


Elaborate.


Bow=crit

Hybrid=lower crit

And besides, bow has shit defence and needs the extra HP to back it up.


Megaman = Win.


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MegaMan wrote:

Bow=crit

Hybrid=lower crit





Anti-devil bow is only one skill and by no means does it guarantee a crit. Of course, you could use two books of anti-devil, but the previous book really won't do respectable damage

If the archer requires a crit (I.E. luck) to win, the entire class is doomed. Is this the idea you are trying to convey?

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And besides, bow has shit defence and needs the extra HP to back it up.


Still waiting on an answer from someone who's used this build. Does the extra damage compensate?


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Eukanuba wrote:
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Bow=crit

Hybrid=lower crit





Anti-devil bow is only one skill and by no means does it guarantee a crit. Of course, you could use two books of anti-devil, but the previous book really won't do respectable damage

A crit on a beserker/demon/devil arrow (or maybe even strongbow) would most likely 1 hit a nuker at that level, as well as seriously dint the hp of a glaiver, and furthermore a blader, if they don't block it

If the archer requires a crit (I.E. luck) to win, the entire class is doomed. Is this the idea you are trying to convey?

To put it simply, yes. That is why most people think that the bower is underpowered/weak, and that is why people have such a dim view about them. Although, crits on the main, uber shots (eg: anti-devil, explosion, strong bow) are extremely powerful, as long as the target is your level, you should 1hit if they are heavy-ints, or seriously damage them if they are str. As a str myself, I am scurred of bow's crits in jobbing. By going along with this build, your crits are lowered significantly and it simply evens out your damage, ergo: it doesn't excel at anything, it's mediocre at everything

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And besides, bow has shit defence and needs the extra HP to back it up.


Still waiting on an answer from someone who's used this build. Does the extra damage compensate?

Theorectically, the damage should not compensate for anything - whether it be crits, or survivabilty. Someone who tried this build didn't recommend it, even though he said it was boring, i'm not sure he got his point accross well enough, but, if you want advice from someone who has tried this build, then go ahead, but the facts state the obvious.


Ready for round2! *plays pump-up music*

But seriously, like kitty said (somewhere) there is only one effective bow build - the tried and true str-bow.

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well I am using this build but I am only lvl 16 sp farming and I do plan to keep this build. I have not tried it out on pvp because im just not good at it atm :P but pve wise this build is aweome... I have tried pure str bower and all I can say is money wise 69:70 > pure... my mp n hp stacks get slowly eaten away.. not to mention with this build i dont really need to rely on a sox bow to kill a bandit/archer in a few hits. Yes i do believe this is going to be a late game killer but if it fails then i could always switch to heuksal or s/s and be a hybrid caster :D

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Less Hp yes, more mag def yes.

Go read SuiGrl's guide ffs.

YES it has lower hp, But it will have enough hp that a STR wouldnt be much of a threat, And it has enough hp + an amazing MAG BALANCE that nukers would suk at killing it.

Youd have your range whatever good thats for, all you gotta do is stick and move, Deivl arrow here, Demon Arrow there, Combo if you can, And boom, opponent 0 you 1.


Its not ALL about the CRITS, Not for bow (i realize how retarded this sounds but just think about it. You will do more dmg with every hit except your crits will be slightly weaker. and they wouldnt be horrible crits anyway so what ev er.), even tho bow skills give a crit increase (anti-devil) and also a AR increase (passive and birdie) And besides, youd have 80% or higher phy balance so your crits wouldnt totally suk anyway, So wtf ever.

Im done defending myself and this build, @ Iguana that was uncalled for, and no i wont be getting my bow char banned. Noone knows her IGN and noone ever will (except my guild will know its lil ol' me but they wouldnt tell a soul).


so gg i win you lose bye bye now take care then.

Besides ive always thought of bows as a suport char, and thats exactly what im making this char for. Im not gonna do many 1v1's unless its against a nuker or if there are extinuating circumstances. Cuz im sure against a full str blade or glaive you would probably die. Maybe. Maybe youd win though, well have to wait until i skate to 80 fully farmed to find out now wont we.


Kk i go now get more paypal money and get 80 faster.

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oh btw ive always said if you plan your builds for 1v1 youll be dissapointed in the end. Think about that (it was in SOMEONES sig awhile back).

but yea ill give you the upsides and downsides of this build in a nutshell right here and you can decide for yourself.


Upsides
-More Hp than a nuker (good cuz you need more hp) And a higher mag def than a str (good so you cna own nukers).


-In protector a nuker or a str would have a tough time battling your ultimate hybrid bow character.

-With halfway good PvP skills (as good as you can get in a game like SRO) you could survive anything, and most likely kill anything. Besides you win some you lose some even the almighty "Pure STR Fire Glaive" loses to some whacky builds and even Bladers can die.

-This build is *somewat* unique. Theres always that aspect. :roll:

It pwns for PvE and thats definite. Who says you cant use it for PvP and do well?

Now anyway heres the

Downsides

-Less Hp then your average Pure Str bow. (more dmg tho)

-Crits less (does more dmg for every other attack though which i think more than compensates. This build means you can use a bow and not depend on a crit to win. this bow build makes using a bow a GOOD idea. for once.)

-Costs More because at end game you will absolutely, no matter what, need great gear with great STR and INT bonuses. (But you will need less potions to get to end game so idk. :P) (that was a joke btw i realise one piece of great SoX end-game equipment would cost more than youve spent on potions throughout the whole game).

-And thats about all i can come up with.


so ya im done decide for yourselves just dont knock it till you try it, Pure isnt always the best choice and ive always looked at bows as more of a Hybrid weapon anyway (if you look at the stats bows are practically designed for hybrids).

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@senapanaga i respect you !
but i think we dont have to show off here something because if they dont believe that this build CAN own (no must but can) its their choice
and if you dont have money go full str bow.
full str bow can be also good, but if you have the money and dont want to based on crit make this bow char, pve ist pretty amazing and unique will die for sure ;)
so its your choice what you want ...full str = better crit higher hp
70:70 = higher acarage damage hp and mp are still good

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I wonder how higfh can you get your balances with FULL STR and INT on ALL of your end-game gear.


go form 70:70 ---> ? (need someone whose done a full set before to help me out here lol)

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dunno about this build, after all once you get capped you work on getting the best gear, so if you actually make this build and get capped with great gear when you get to pvp you're gonna be at a disadvantage because of the build itself, if you nuke the dmg is gonna be crap, and just using bow skills I dont think you're gonna kill anything except nukers way below your lvl or pure int bows :P

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nothing will kill you tho?

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heh, well when it comes to pvp the things that determine the outcome are gear, skills (mastery wise), build, luck (crit,stun,block,kd,kd) and skill (knowing what to do, which skills to use etc), not to mention that now the castle shield and the bloody fan series are actually useful while bow has no extra defensive skill and no offensive skill that can cancel and enemy's moves. And unlike a full str bow the crit's are not gonna hit as hard, so this by far is NOT the best bow build

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MegaMan wrote:

Theorectically, the damage should not compensate for anything - whether it be crits, or survivabilty. Someone who tried this build didn't recommend it, even though he said it was boring, i'm not sure he got his point accross well enough, but, if you want advice from someone who has tried this build, then go ahead, but the facts state the obvious.


In all fairness, Taintofsleep didn't play the character very far, and he's only one person. Others have tried the build and said it was great, but so far no one from either camp has provided any real justification for their stance.

Senapanaga did a great service in his post. Even though it's stuff anyone with half a brain and an open mind should already know, I'm still surprised at the amount of people who don't acknowledge it. Still, in the end what he wrote is very neutral and doesn't do much to promote one side over the other.


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well with this kind of "unique" build it will take months before you can see significance. I myself plan on that since i am utterly loving this build. And yes it does save a whole lot on mp/hp pots. I only buy 6 mp 6hp pots and it last for hours while wearing garms

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