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Why do we hate botters?

I hate botters because they add nothing positive to the game ... nothing at all. A game like SRO needs to have a community ... otherwise you might as well be playing the Legend of Zelda on your PS2 for the better graphics and no lag.

Bots are run by machines ... forget any community interaction while they are botting. And to make matters worse far too many people that bot are socially maladjusted like the idiots in nightbloom's screen shot. Maybe botters can't understand that there are actually other people playing the other characters on the screen. Since they don't really play the game SRO is nothing but a fancy and expensive screensaver for them.

Oh and did I mention that both gold bots and player bots ruin the economy?

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yamataka wrote:
Why do we hate botters?

I hate botters because they add nothing positive to the game ... nothing at all. A game like SRO needs to have a community ... otherwise you might as well be playing the Legend of Zelda on your PS2 for the better graphics and no lag.

Bots are run by machines ... forget any community interaction while they are botting. And to make matters worse far too many people that bot are socially maladjusted like the idiots in nightbloom's screen shot. Maybe botters can't understand that there are actually other people playing the other characters on the screen. Since they don't really play the game SRO is nothing but a fancy and expensive screensaver for them.

Oh and did I mention that both gold bots and player bots ruin the economy?


You think that botters just bot for a screen saver?....... Theres a reason "they" bot. They bot to get rid of the boriness in this game and to recieve the fun in this game(job/pvping) and owning. And botting does not take the fun out of the game( for the botters). Whats the point of grinding getting .01% akill? do u consider that fun? Or do u consider waking up with sosun and level fast and owning people fun? well its up to u guys to deicdie of training or owning is fun.


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yamataka wrote:
Why do we hate botters?

I hate botters because they add nothing positive to the game ... nothing at all. A game like SRO needs to have a community ... otherwise you might as well be playing the Legend of Zelda on your PS2 for the better graphics and no lag.

Bots are run by machines ... forget any community interaction while they are botting. And to make matters worse far too many people that bot are socially maladjusted like the idiots in nightbloom's screen shot. Maybe botters can't understand that there are actually other people playing the other characters on the screen. Since they don't really play the game SRO is nothing but a fancy and expensive screensaver for them.

Oh and did I mention that both gold bots and player bots ruin the economy?


You think that botters just bot for a screen saver?....... Theres a reason "they" bot. They bot to get rid of the boriness in this game and to recieve the fun in this game(job/pvping) and owning. And botting does not take the fun out of the game( for the botters). Whats the point of grinding getting .01% akill? do u consider that fun? Or do u consider waking up with sosun and level fast and owning people fun? well its up to u guys to deicdie of training or owning is fun.


It would also be fun to ace every exam I'd ever taken in college, or to always win at checkers, or to be able to beat up anyone I wanted to. But life doesnt' work that way, and this game isn't supposed to work that way either. Botters didn't put in the work for the items or level or owning. You might as well go play a game where you start off at any level with any gear you want and have "fun". BTW you only get to "own" people that don't bot. If all of the legits leave and it is nothing but botters, you won't be owning anyone.


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sosunseller wrote:
yamataka wrote:
Why do we hate botters?

I hate botters because they add nothing positive to the game ... nothing at all. A game like SRO needs to have a community ... otherwise you might as well be playing the Legend of Zelda on your PS2 for the better graphics and no lag.

Bots are run by machines ... forget any community interaction while they are botting. And to make matters worse far too many people that bot are socially maladjusted like the idiots in nightbloom's screen shot. Maybe botters can't understand that there are actually other people playing the other characters on the screen. Since they don't really play the game SRO is nothing but a fancy and expensive screensaver for them.

Oh and did I mention that both gold bots and player bots ruin the economy?


You think that botters just bot for a screen saver?....... Theres a reason "they" bot. They bot to get rid of the boriness in this game and to recieve the fun in this game(job/pvping) and owning. And botting does not take the fun out of the game( for the botters). Whats the point of grinding getting .01% akill? do u consider that fun? Or do u consider waking up with sosun and level fast and owning people fun? well its up to u guys to deicdie of training or owning is fun.


I consider cheaters ... which bots are ... just that cheaters. Whatever they accomplish means nothing at all. Do you really get all that excited about a bunch of shiny pixels? Seriously ... do you? If you do, you have my pity.

Fun is doing stuff with friends and talking to them ... reaching goals together. TALKING together ... acting like human beings together. Thinking you"Own" people on a game because you insert some program into your pc to play a game for you is pathetic.

Maybe what Joymax should do is sell standard maxed out characters for people to have fun pvping with. They would be marked as standard characters from the item mall and could only pvp. Then people that wanted to do that sort of thing could ... and the servers would be more open for the rest of us that actually want to play SRO.

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Did any of u not read my story "Life of a legit and life of a bot". And Jaja maybe if u didnt spend to much time "being legit annd grinding", maybe you will use that time for studying? working out? and practice checkerss? and maybe accomplish stuff in ur life u wanted to? And botters will have something to own, cuz i know all legits will never quit. Yes sometimes i hate bot to, cuz they are cheateers.. And to yakatkdsjlutadf, botters do have fun with their frends in sro, talk to thier guild, have some fun globals...(that is after they reach the level they want to be). you know not all botters are bad people right...?


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You should spend your time studying reading comprehension, then. Yes, you are SUPPOSED to practice those things to be good at them, just like in the game you are SUPPOSED to put the time in grinding to find cool stuff and leveling. You are supposed to be practicing to earn your victories.


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Thing is that being legit doesn't mean that I have to feel like I have to "keep up" with the bots either. I have plenty of time to do other things ... study, go outside, and accomplish many things in my life.

I also play SRO in my free time ... my character gains levels at a steady pace but a slow pace. I have no need to "own" people by being level 80 in 2 or 3 weeks in order to have fun. Botters may not be "bad" people but I see them as people that are lacking something else in their life that forces them to feel they need to bot ... and I see them as parasites in the game.

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I dont get it, why do you guys hate botters so much. They just train and level and they have nothing to do with you guys. Only prolbem i would be mad at bot if they ks, but most of them turn it off. Another problem is when they pvp you and win, well you can avoid by just taking off your cape or go somewhere else, you dont have to fight them and they probaly wont follow you and keep killn unlesss they are noob little kid botters who will get ban pretty soon.

Btw wtf is cuch/medea


Umm, you rang? Not quite sure what you're saying there.

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I dont hate bots.

But they ruined the game and the community. It used to be that high levels were high level out of accomplishment. There werent that many. Most ppl gave up before that point. It was like a pyramid, high levels at the top. The real jerks got weeded out along the way. Why? Cause generally, that kind of childish jerkoff also didnt have the stamina or the patience to be high level. The high level community was great, everyone knew eachother and real strife was kinda rare.

The bot changed that. Now the jerks out number the decent ppl. The legits give up and quit and the community has slowly been poisoned by those aholes that are left. It is no longer a pyramid, but an inverse pyramid. The aholes can level longer, faster and better through programming. Gone are the days when high levels are heros and something to strive for, its meaningless. Now legits are high level speed bumps on the road to botted fame and sosuns. The kiddie jerkoffs band together in stupid kiddie guilds with silly kiddie names.

So no, I dont hate the bot. I hate what it did to SRO.

And Id like to add that I dont even blame the botters. I dont have much faith in the morality of the individual. I blame JoyMax for their obvious tolerance.

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Well said nb. Totally agree. But...I do hate bots, mainly because for some reason they always ks me :x *sigh* waits for a better game with a better company.

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Bots = bad.

Teh End.

The problem is with sro is that the game itself is not fun enough. I remember a mmorpg I used to play where almost no one botted as they wanted to play the game themselves. Training was actually fun as you were mostly in parties chatting to other players. I wanted to play and didn't see training as a chore as I was there for the community. There was always something fun to do and the majority of people were talkative and friendly.

Sro is different as it is a struggle of power of being the best so a lot of people will opt to bot. Out of all the online games I've played sro is one of the worst in terms of scammers and bots. It really is sad as sro has so much potential but it is being dragged down by the community and the company that runs it.


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nightbloom wrote:
I dont hate bots.
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The bot changed that. Now the jerks out number the decent ppl. The legits give up and quit and the community has slowly been poisoned by those aholes that are left. It is no longer a pyramid, but an inverse pyramid. The aholes can level longer, faster and better through programming. Gone are the days when high levels are heros and something to strive for, its meaningless. Now legits are high level speed bumps on the road to botted fame and sosuns. The kiddie jerkoffs band together in stupid kiddie guilds with silly kiddie names.

So no, I dont hate the bot. I hate what it did to SRO.

And Id like to add that I dont even blame the botters. I dont have much faith in the morality of the individual. I blame JoyMax for their obvious tolerance.


Thats the point. +1

Botting is nothing YOU achieve, you dont know the worth of your lvls, your equipment, and so on. And that was the CORE of the game. Hard work, 'till you gained your lvls and gained respect, perhaps some admiration too.
Botters are for me some sort of poor ppl, who dont know how to gain respect, but thriwe for it. They are just poor. Mentaly, in every way i can write here.
Thats all.
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Oh and did I mention that both gold bots and player bots ruin the economy?


that s the most anooying thing they do

bots :
1. fawk up the economy
2 .fawk up the balance ( or pyramid )
3. fawk up the server traffic
4. fawk up their own dignity
5. are beeing hypocrytes accepting a TOS when they sign it and not respecting it
6.obviously aren't able to do lvling,gold, sps,anything good themselves <= ( that is kinda what does n00b mean )
7. are selfish because they think only about their own char/fun
8. Ks legit ppl ( or other bots )
9. most of them are arrogant ( i have a life, i have sosun, i own u dog )
10. bring flames war from legit players ( on game or on forums )
11. bring more work for GMs so GMs must work on banning bots isntead of working on upgrading the game fxing bugs etc ( well ok JM *cough*) or more work for morningdew who has to mod tons of complaing threads from legit players on sro.net
12. are showing how dumb they are trying to defending themselves or trying to make ppl think that botting is cool when it does the 11 things that i just wrote.

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Wow... some people have a really twisted mentality.
When has cheating been seen as acceptable? Some say this is only a game, what I do here does not reflect what I do in real life. Heads up... it IS real life when you venture out to find an illegal 3rd part application, install and run it.
You know it is unfair to advance through the lvls without manually playing your character. Yet you botters post and behave as if it should be normal.
What is YOUR excuse? I have heard/read these:
1) "Everyone else is doing it."
2) "I have no time to play."
3) "I love to be number 1 at all costs."
4) "JOYMAX doesnt care".

Regardless of your "excuse" it just shows me one thing.... you are mentally poisoned.
So JOYMAX doesnt care. What if your local civil authorities (police) decide not to punish law breakers? Are you going to join the offenders ... rape, steal, cheat, murder? I guess youre thinking now "Thats different". Well they all start somewhere.

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nightbloom wrote:
I dont hate bots.

But they ruined the game and the community. It used to be that high levels were high level out of accomplishment. There werent that many. Most ppl gave up before that point. It was like a pyramid, high levels at the top. The real jerks got weeded out along the way. Why? Cause generally, that kind of childish jerkoff also didnt have the stamina or the patience to be high level. The high level community was great, everyone knew eachother and real strife was kinda rare.

The bot changed that. Now the jerks out number the decent ppl. The legits give up and quit and the community has slowly been poisoned by those aholes that are left. It is no longer a pyramid, but an inverse pyramid. The aholes can level longer, faster and better through programming. Gone are the days when high levels are heros and something to strive for, its meaningless. Now legits are high level speed bumps on the road to botted fame and sosuns. The kiddie jerkoffs band together in stupid kiddie guilds with silly kiddie names.

So no, I dont hate the bot. I hate what it did to SRO.

And Id like to add that I dont even blame the botters. I dont have much faith in the morality of the individual. I blame JoyMax for their obvious tolerance.


You sound like my mother NB ... as in don't hate the sinner, hate the sin. I am not as kind or as forgiving a person.

Sometimes I can't help but think that part of the reason that the botter problem is so rampant is that too many people are just accepting the botters. Why shouldn't Joymax tolerate something if they see the players tolerating it? We have to care before Joymax ever will.

No disrespect intended nightbloom ... you are in fact one of the people I most respect on these forums. But I know what it is like to feel like you have fought for something forever with no changes seeming to be made. Another of my heroes on these forums is DarkJackal and its really sad to see that he seems all but worn out too, along with many others. I really wish there was something I could do about that. :(

And to the guy (Solo) that said the problem is that SRO is not fun enough and that is why people bot? Well if the game is not fun enough they should GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME AND STOP MESSING UP THIS ONE FOR THOSE OF US THAT DO THINK IT IS FUN ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY PLAY. They aren't wanted here. You complain about people not talking in parties with training ... well duh ... if you are in a party with bots, they don't talk. Try joining a good guild and union and party with the people in them. One of the first things my friends and I did when we started playing SRO was to form a guild so that it would be easier for us to all talk together. The system they have in SRO is good for that.

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yamataka wrote:
nightbloom wrote:
I dont hate bots.

But they ruined the game and the community. It used to be that high levels were high level out of accomplishment. There werent that many. Most ppl gave up before that point. It was like a pyramid, high levels at the top. The real jerks got weeded out along the way. Why? Cause generally, that kind of childish jerkoff also didnt have the stamina or the patience to be high level. The high level community was great, everyone knew eachother and real strife was kinda rare.

The bot changed that. Now the jerks out number the decent ppl. The legits give up and quit and the community has slowly been poisoned by those aholes that are left. It is no longer a pyramid, but an inverse pyramid. The aholes can level longer, faster and better through programming. Gone are the days when high levels are heros and something to strive for, its meaningless. Now legits are high level speed bumps on the road to botted fame and sosuns. The kiddie jerkoffs band together in stupid kiddie guilds with silly kiddie names.

So no, I dont hate the bot. I hate what it did to SRO.

And Id like to add that I dont even blame the botters. I dont have much faith in the morality of the individual. I blame JoyMax for their obvious tolerance.


You sound like my mother NB ... as in don't hate the sinner, hate the sin. I am not as kind or as forgiving a person.

Sometimes I can't help but think that part of the reason that the botter problem is so rampant is that too many people are just accepting the botters. Why shouldn't Joymax tolerate something if they see the players tolerating it? We have to care before Joymax ever will.

No disrespect intended nightbloom ... you are in fact one of the people I most respect on these forums. But I know what it is like to feel like you have fought for something forever with no changes seeming to be made. Another of my heroes on these forums is DarkJackal and its really sad to see that he seems all but worn out too, along with many others. I really wish there was something I could do about that. :(


It isnt the bot that causes this... I know some 24/7 botters that I like and respect a great deal. Smart, decent ppl with an eye for programming and gadgetry. They arent the ppl Im refering to.

I called the problem ppl kiddies for a reason. Most of these ppl are 13-18 year old males with more testosterone than brain cells, an imbalance that isnt rectified till at least 25 with a few exceptions in either direction. I sound like your mom, cause Im a 30 something mother. For the most part I can handle a mouthy teenager without batting an eyelash. But it's like going to the movies with some friends and having a horde of antsy chavs sitting in the row behind you, every single time you go. I turn chat off, I play alt chars, but all of us who remember the SRO of before are like bystanders at a sports riot, slackjawed yet refusing to give up a love for the sport itself. Even after getting hit in the head with a bottle....every day.

Maybe that's the problem? LOL We are so accustomed to bad language, abuse, botting, scamming and general asshattery that we cant tell the difference anymore? The ppl who are supposed to be the lifeguards at this pool are too busy trying to steal my wallet to notice Im drowning.

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