Hmmm, my noob char can go to +5 without astrals.
It kinda variates tho. If Im lucky and its a good item its easy...
If the item isnt that well made for alchemy i dont keep going.
But i usually go from +0 to +5 in 5 elixirs. If i cant get to +5 within 3 tries i give up for a few days and try again.
I bought a 52+0 glaive crit 6 phy 61%
I went from +0 to +4 in one run and asked my union if i should keep going. They said "do it" so i put in another elixir and another lucky powder pressed fuse and closed my eyes. I was surprised it would work because i had a very nice 48 glaive with amazing percentages on which i went to +4 twice in a row and never got it to +5. So then i thought the 42 sos bow was the only thing i would ever +5. But surprise surprise i made that 52 glaive +5. I tried to change the crit and after 10 stones of failing the crit finally changed....................... ----> Critical 6->2
DANG!! after i spent 20mil on tabs stones and elements the crit is only 5 (i can only have it at 2 or 5) and my physical changed from 61% to 0%
+5 is so easy therefor my alchemy stones seem so much harder
