Accusations

YourDaddy · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 61

Yay for stupid ideas!

You're like one of those stupid ass mothers that has a fit over some show on television they don't want their kids to see, so instead of BLOCKING THE Farking CHANNEL, they try to get the show banned and ruin it for everyone else. You might as well do the same thing for the "zomg hybrid sux and only pures are gudz" people too. Both situations arise from things a player has seen (ie: char humping a wall/ks'ing with no response for hours, or owned in pvp and such), and both are opinions which is what forums are here for, the exchange of opinions, facts, and ideas.

I like coming to forums to sometimes help, sometimes get a pat on the back for an accomplishment, and sometimes to flame some retard (wonder who that could be today :roll:

). In other words, when I or anyone else comes here, we're gonna post whatever we want so long as it's not breaking the forum rules. You don't like what you're reading in a certain thread? Here's a thought...HIT THE BACK BAR!

Not exactly sure why I bothered to reply, you'll last 2 weeks tops. Maybe 1 month now that I said something and you'll want to prove me wrong. And in the meantime Mr. FCC...censor this.. t('.'t)

Anyeong · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 69

nightbloom wrote:

Someone like YOU might be bothered by a forum accusation, but unfortunately the average botter seems to thrive on opposition. Making a big scene only feeds their troll-like behavior most of the time. Also, innocent ppl could be blamed. What if enough haters decided to start calling Stallowned a botter because he lay down the anti-spam hammer? Rather than play judge and jury, deciding which accusations are flame and which are justified, the staff have decided to say all accusations are taboo.

It wouldn't bother me or YOU nightbloom.

How would you know if it feeds their egos or not if they get accused? You'd have to at least be in their shoes to know, if ya know what i mean. Of course innocent people will get blamed, hell even in real life injustices happens to innocent ppl, tough sh**.

If Stallowned did something like that, obviously he'd be thrown into the category of bot supporter, he doesn't need to be a botter. You choose which is worse.

Death2U wrote:

And yeah... need I remind people that this is just a game? No need to waste your emotion on how someone chooses to go from point A to point B in a game lol.

It's almost far from a game. People spend real money on this game, and people PROFIT from this game.

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You play games with the sole purpose of having fun, so if you are the type of person that will be blowing stream if someone bots, then I'm afraid this game isn't for you

To each their own. Whatever makes you play. But true words, at least for now.

MrJoey · **Posted:** Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:37 am

YourDaddy wrote:

Yay for stupid ideas!

You're like one of those stupid ass mothers that has a fit over some show on television they don't want their kids to see, so instead of BLOCKING THE Farking CHANNEL, they try to get the show banned and ruin it for everyone else. You might as well do the same thing for the "zomg hybrid sux and only pures are gudz" people too. Both situations arise from things a player has seen (ie: char humping a wall/ks'ing with no response for hours, or owned in pvp and such), and both are opinions which is what forums are here for, the exchange of opinions, facts, and ideas.

I like coming to forums to sometimes help, sometimes get a pat on the back for an accomplishment, and sometimes to flame some retard (wonder who that could be today :roll:

). In other words, when I or anyone else comes here, we're gonna post whatever we want so long as it's not breaking the forum rules. You don't like what you're reading in a certain thread? Here's a thought...HIT THE BACK BAR!

Not exactly sure why I bothered to reply, you'll last 2 weeks tops. Maybe 1 month now that I said something and you'll want to prove me wrong. And in the meantime Mr. FCC...censor this.. t('.'t)

Look at my join date. Now near that, look at my post count. I've been here a lot longer than you have kid. I've seen this forum when it was at its best, I've seen it at it's worst. I want it back to at or near its best, and you, and any other stupid kids, or adults with the brains of a dead monkey, will not stop me from trying to get that goal.

rabbit · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 632 **Location:**

YourDaddy wrote:

Yay for stupid ideas!

You're like one of those stupid ass mothers that has a fit over some show on television they don't want their kids to see, so instead of BLOCKING THE Farking CHANNEL, they try to get the show banned and ruin it for everyone else. You might as well do the same thing for the "zomg hybrid sux and only pures are gudz" people too. Both situations arise from things a player has seen (ie: char humping a wall/ks'ing with no response for hours, or owned in pvp and such), and both are opinions which is what forums are here for, the exchange of opinions, facts, and ideas.

I like coming to forums to sometimes help, sometimes get a pat on the back for an accomplishment, and sometimes to flame some retard (wonder who that could be today :roll:

). In other words, when I or anyone else comes here, we're gonna post whatever we want so long as it's not breaking the forum rules. You don't like what you're reading in a certain thread? Here's a thought...HIT THE BACK BAR!

Not exactly sure why I bothered to reply, you'll last 2 weeks tops. Maybe 1 month now that I said something and you'll want to prove me wrong. And in the meantime Mr. FCC...censor this.. t('.'t)

Even the FCC has rules against profanity, lies, and other quite a few other things.

This is a private forum which isn't subject to same rules of public speech, which mostly applies to politics since the original intention was for dissent against the government. Using it to justify flaming in an online forum of a game whose parent company doesn't even really reside in the US isn't a strong argument. For example, there are a LOT of things you can't say in a workplace and flaming is one of them.

alZen · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 657 **Location:**

rabbit wrote:

alZen wrote:

yeah ... silence means consent ... even in court. and in this case, acceptance.

Since when does silence mean consent.... Right to silence is to protect you from self-incrimination. You can't force someone to confess to a crime, and if they choose to remain silence then it's assumed innocence under the law (not taking into account realistic interpretation by the jury). If the president doesn't sign a bill it doesn't become law.... again silence doesn't mean consent.

u choose to remain silent, means u forfeit your right to defend. and any inferences can be drawn.

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

Anyeong wrote:

It wouldn't bother me or YOU nightbloom.

How would you know if it feeds their egos or not if they get accused? You'd have to at least be in their shoes to know, if ya know what i mean. Of course innocent people will get blamed, hell even in real life injustices happens to innocent ppl, tough sh**.

If Stallowned did something like that, obviously he'd be thrown into the category of bot supporter, he doesn't need to be a botter. You choose which is worse.

OK so we agree that a botter wouldnt be bothered, hence wasting time and emotion on accusations does nothing for the community.

But I dont get what you mean by calling Stallowned a bot supporter.

I have always noticed that those who like to accuse others of botting tend to be botters and ashamed of being one, hence the preponderance of finger pointing to shift blame and smoke screen their own crime.

Stallowned · **Posted:** Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:45 am

You people that are complaining about forum policy, remember. You signed up here, you agreed to the rules.

If you don't like it, I'm not ashamed to say this- GTFO.

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

Stallowned wrote:

You people that are complaining about forum policy, remember. You signed up here, you agreed to the rules.

If you don't like it, I'm not ashamed to say this- GTFO.

LOL

Like a hot knife in butter Stallowned, you cut through bullshit.

rabbit · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 632 **Location:**

alZen wrote:

rabbit wrote:

alZen wrote:

yeah ... silence means consent ... even in court. and in this case, acceptance.

Since when does silence mean consent.... Right to silence is to protect you from self-incrimination. You can't force someone to confess to a crime, and if they choose to remain silence then it's assumed innocence under the law (not taking into account realistic interpretation by the jury). If the president doesn't sign a bill it doesn't become law.... again silence doesn't mean consent.

u choose to remain silent, means u forfeit your right to defend. and any inferences can be drawn.

Inferences made from a silence are meant to be discarded in a court of law. If you remain silent, it is not supposed to be taken into consideration. I'm not arguing that inferences will be made; I'm simply saying that as far as the law is concerned silence is not self-incriminating or consenting to anything

Silence implies disagreement (not signing a bill is still considered a veto after 10 days). If you don't respond to someone sending you a bill for something you didn't buy, it doesn't imply that you still have to pay it.

YourDaddy · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 61

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Look at my join date. Now near that, look at my post count. I've been here a lot longer than you have kid.

lol what a strong argument. Sorry I forgot for a moment that post count = intelligence...kid. Also forgot this is the first forum I've ever been on, and since I've never been on another forum I'm sure no other MMO forums have flame wars, bot bitching, and general dissent thrown in to keep things spicy. Can you taste the sarcasm?

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This is a private forum which isn't subject to same rules of public speech, which mostly applies to politics since the original intention was for dissent against the government. Using it to justify flaming in an online forum of a game whose parent company doesn't even really reside in the US isn't a strong argument. For example, there are a LOT of things you can't say in a workplace and flaming is one of them.

First off I didn't use it as an argument, I called him the FCC in the final line of my post simply as a slam to some little moron that's trying to control what other people say all because his little friend got caught cheating. Secondly, calling my statement weak then turning around and comparing a forum to a workplace is at very best hypocritical, and at worst just plain stupid.

Anyeong · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 69

nightbloom wrote:

OK so we agree that a botter wouldnt be bothered, hence wasting time and emotion on accusations does nothing for the community.

Well, that depends on the person that bots, it may or may not bother him/her.

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But I dont get what you mean by calling Stallowned a bot supporter.

Well since this is a forum and community, we have Stallowned as one of th many moderators, and we have legits and none legits. What you guys want is to erase the labels and to unite everyone as just silkroaders right? I understand that part well, but nothing is set in stone yet. When a moderator wants to tone down the hate on the non legits by locking, deleting or modifying a person accusing another person of botting, which side does it help, the non legit side. Because in a way it's like big daddy moderator giving a helping hand in the fight to the non legit side saying "it's ok, they won't bully you anymore." I understand that non legits accuse other non legits, it will always be like that since the side their on is the cheating and wrong side to be on, so of course it's not all for one kind of thing. Not that i'm saying legits don't scam each other or what not, both side has their downsides.

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I have always noticed that those who like to accuse others of botting tend to be botters and ashamed of being one, hence the preponderance of finger pointing to shift blame and smoke screen their own crime.

Very true. Although, a phrase like this can be used by both sides.

ZeFrog · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 537

...The whole thing about tattling on people who make botting accusations, wether legitimate or otherwise is...meh

Botting (in all forms wether this game or another) is a cancer of the MMO community...and with any cancer it doesn't go away if you pretend it doesn't exist

I agree with mature discussion on the matter...but thats it all it will ever be, just talk...

This cancer will never go away from this particular MMO until Joymax decides that it wants it cut out...unfortunately people who pay for bot software to level their chars will usually pay JM for silk so that they can level faster and more efficiently (tickets, pot stacks, arrows, etc.) Too much money floating around.

Fact is, saying botters support the game ( and thus the community at large) and shouldn't be railed against is a rather moot argument given that legit players, who actually have to sit and play would in the end be paying JM more money for silk then a botter since they tend to level slower and get distracted easier thus wasting their silk items and having to buy more...

rabbit · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 632 **Location:**

YourDaddy wrote:

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This is a private forum which isn't subject to same rules of public speech, which mostly applies to politics since the original intention was for dissent against the government. Using it to justify flaming in an online forum of a game whose parent company doesn't even really reside in the US isn't a strong argument. For example, there are a LOT of things you can't say in a workplace and flaming is one of them.

First off I didn't use it as an argument, I called him the FCC in the final line of my post simply as a slam to some little moron that's trying to control what other people say all because his little friend got caught cheating. Secondly, calling my statement weak then turning around and comparing a forum to a workplace is at very best hypocritical, and at worst just plain stupid.

It was an example. Shall I list the other private places? Your home, clubs you belong to, restaurants (we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone), and so on and so forth. Using your argument is stupid is a great way to argue FOR keeping accusations. Can you taste the sarcasm?

er1c · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 432

Guys, dont get your ass bit now... Just let SuicideGirl come and approve MrJoey's idea first. If she says yes, then the flame war begins. If she says no, theres nothing to discuss.

Valinor · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 2

The reason these forums exist is mainly because of the poor quality that is presented to us on the main website. I mean come on, you have to wait 8 minutes in between each post, good idea :roll:

me dont think soo!
Anyways im new(ish) to these forums so you'll probably be hearing a lot more from me, hello to you all

Val

Valinor · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 2

The reason these forums exist is mainly because of the poor quality that is presented to us on the main website. I mean come on, you have to wait 8 minutes in between each post, good idea :roll:

me dont think soo!
Anyways im new(ish) to these forums so you'll probably be hearing a lot more from me, hello to you all

Val

Death2U · **Posted:** Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:53 am

nightbloom wrote:

I have always noticed that those who like to accuse others of botting tend to be botters and ashamed of being one, hence the preponderance of finger pointing to shift blame and smoke screen their own crime.

It's very common for people to seek to cover up something "unacceptable" by adopting an oppositive stance and flashing it in public.

It reminds me of people like Ted Haggert, the leader of the National Association of Evangelical who preaches against homosexuals in public... while he pays Mike Jones for gay sex and a blowjob.

And can't forget about former US Congressman Mark Foley, chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children and a fierce crusader against child predation, turn out to be a closet pedophile preying on young 16 year old Congressional pages.

As a psychology major, I will explain the reason behind this behavior. In psychological term, this cognitive mechanism is called "Reaction Formation." If you fear that you will be criticized for something, you make sure you act very visibly to show that you are a long way from it. This is the physiological reason why there are many hypocrites in real life.

What are the signs of these type of people?
When a person takes a stance on something that is a bit extreme, then you should consider the great possibility that their real views are opposite to this. :wink:

Can someone with this issue be "cured"?
Well, you help someone who dysfunctionally forming contrary reactions by creating a supportive environment where they can admit and accept their true feeling about something. However, since SRF is officially an anti-bot forum, it is very unlikely this will occur. Instead, this create a perfect atmosphere for people to have "reaction formation"... (aka anti-botters doing publicity stunts while they bot themselves). I would not be suprised if "PureOwnage" is a botter himself since he possesses many signs of it from my experience.

If you are one of these people (like Zehir in Xian), then do yourself a favor and be yourself.

/ Ends rant. Switches back to Death2U in normal forum mode

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

Anyeong wrote:

Well since this is a forum and community, we have Stallowned as one of th many moderators, and we have legits and none legits. What you guys want is to erase the labels and to unite everyone as just silkroaders right? I understand that part well, but nothing is set in stone yet. When a moderator wants to tone down the hate on the non legits by locking, deleting or modifying a person accusing another person of botting, which side does it help, the non legit side. Because in a way it's like big daddy moderator giving a helping hand in the fight to the non legit side saying "it's ok, they won't bully you anymore." I understand that non legits accuse other non legits, it will always be like that since the side their on is the cheating and wrong side to be on, so of course it's not all for one kind of thing. Not that i'm saying legits don't scam each other or what not, both side has their downsides.

Starting a flame war in a public forum isnt fighting any fight at all. It serves no purpose, it solves nothing, it is useless. If a person posting on the forums is a positive influence on the forum they stay, if they are a negative influence on the forum they go. It is that simple. If poster A is a nice quiet person who posts politely and helpfully and poster B, wearing the mantle of "I AM ANTI-BOT", comes in and harasses poster A with "OMG UR TEH BOTZ" then who is wrong? The only people who can PROVE, and even then, not with accuracy, that someone is a botter is JM.

For a smooth and happy community, keep the accusations in bug reports and if you must tell the world, buy a global.

BUNOFASITCH · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 62 **Location:**

FFS look at the thread title, Accusations.
This is turning into a flaming war against the Mods.

This is a private forum and as such we must respect the owners and administrators.
If anyone has a problem with that go somewhere else.

I know, go to the official website then you will find out what censorship is all about.

If you don't agree with the way ths forum is run then go somewhere else and winge and moan.

My two bobs worth

PureOwnage · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1104

btw Fly did bot so stfu, and he was a key member, so did TheeMaster, and so did a few others that got pwned need I say more? Also the new Empire on persia are ..... botting so you know what you hypocrite? STFU I have had it with you and your bs you only post what is relevant to yourself, you care nothing for these forums, even you say nuff with accusations, sometimes accusations are nessaciary.

btw thanks for the quote hypocrite:

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Look at my join date. Now near that, look at my post count. I've been here a lot longer than you have kid.

now lets see what he said in my stop spammers topic on off topic lounge:

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New threads are how forums work, their threads are fine. Post count DOES NOT matter

gotta love how he contradicts himself.

lets see you dig yourself out of this one.

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

PureOwnage wrote:

btw Fly did bot so stfu, and he was a key member, so did TheeMaster, and so did a few others that got pwned need I say more? Also the new Empire on persia are ..... botting so you know what you hypocrite? STFU I have had it with you and your bs you only post what is relevant to yourself, you care nothing for these forums, even you say nuff with accusations, sometimes accusations are nessaciary.

btw thanks for the qoute hypocrite:

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Look at my join date. Now near that, look at my post count. I've been here a lot longer than you have kid.

now lets see what he said in my stop spammers topic on off topic lounge

Your anger management class really pisses you off doesnt it......

PureOwnage · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1104

NB dont start, I lost all respect for you. You act anti bot yet you are one. While it cant be proven that you are one, you support bots in your guild on Persia so you got no room to talk. Also anger management classes, hmmm I dont go to any. And before you say... Thats the point, let me say this: If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Now you might be asking how is this related? Well people who accuse bots help get them banned 1/2 of the time so w/e. I will sit by them when it is nessaciary to accuse someone.

Death2U · **Posted:** Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:53 am

PureOwnage, you have some serious mental issues and I'm afraid to be the one to tell you that you need counseling. Once I get my license and certification, I will give you a free psych evaluation.

In the meantime, it's in the best interest of yourself and everyone on this forum, that you take this:

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

PureOwnage wrote:

NB dont start, I lost all respect for you. You act anti bot yet you are one. While it cant be proven that you are one, you support bots in your guild on Persia so you got no room to talk. Also anger management classes, hmmm I dont go to any. And before you say... Thats the point, let me say this: If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Now you might be asking how is this related? Well people who accuse bots help get them banned 1/2 of the time so w/e. I will sit by them when it is nessaciary to accuse someone.

I dont even know who you are so your respect is immaterial. I have said it over and over and over... I am not anti-bot, I am anti-ahole. Generally, the two are one and the same, when they are not I am ok with that. I personally dont give a rat's rump who bots.

As for Persia, lol, Fly and I quit SRO and transfered the guild to a friend a while ago, a week or so after starting on that server.. so whatever TE on Persia is or isnt has nothing to do with us whatsoever. As far as I know, its a dead Unionless guild. I could be wrong, I wouldnt know.

PureOwnage · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1104

meh w/e I'm done... I wont complain about bots on this forum, and when it is over ran with them and the Mods are powerless against them, I will say, I told you so.

alZen · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 657 **Location:**

rabbit wrote:

Inferences made from a silence are meant to be discarded in a court of law. If you remain silent, it is not supposed to be taken into consideration. I'm not arguing that inferences will be made; I'm simply saying that as far as the law is concerned silence is not self-incriminating or consenting to anything

Silence implies disagreement (not signing a bill is still considered a veto after 10 days). If you don't respond to someone sending you a bill for something you didn't buy, it doesn't imply that you still have to pay it.

good points.

hypothetically, i say .. rabbit u bot.

u choose to remain silent.

i say ... so rabbit, u bot or u dont?

u choose to remain silent.

i say ... if you dun bot, why dun u say so?

by not stating that u dun bot, and remaining silent, the balance is tipped more towards the belief that u do bot. otherwise why dun u stat otherwise?

signing the bill is quite different. can the president say no up front and reject the bill to close the matter? if he could, why does he not? why is he stalling on the bill?

Anyeong · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 69

It was fun while it lasted nightbloom, i miss you guys

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

Anyeong wrote:

It was fun while it lasted nightbloom, i miss you guys

You are always welcome in Vent Any... lol Fly and I are playing AOE at GameSpy for now till http://www.swordofthenewworld.com/ opens then start there.

Glad this subject is closed... As for powerless, I doubt the mods and Admins of this board will ever be that.

Anyeong · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 69

PureOwnage wrote:

meh w/e I'm done... I wont complain about bots on this forum, and when it is over ran with them and the Mods are powerless against them, I will say, I told you so.

It won't be long until I dub this forum as the "silent forum" not meaning that it will become dead, but something else...

YourDaddy · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 61

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It won't be long until I dub this forum as the "silent forum" not meaning that it will become dead, but something else...

+1

Love the name btw Anyeong. Makes me think of Arrested Development everytime I see it. Awesome show.

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