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3 bowers with anti devil and a dead glaive? maybe a shtty glaiver but definately not mine

all the 8 bowers could target the same guy, no build can withstand that. (maybe with a br26 shield tho)

but bladers would win. block + kd = no dmg taken.

Considering its a sosun bow with crit 16, I am pretty confident that 3 bowers launching anti devil at the same time is a certain dead for almost all glaviers.

If the gear is sosun too then it's basically the same as fighting eachother with npc gear.

this is just a very dumb topic...

haha i dont even know whats good i go by what every 1 tells me

id say either pure int spear or pure int ss. every two nukers would target one guy and spike him with a nuke, hopefully killing him with spike dmg.

we everyone has a diffrent opionion here ,

i am go with pure str , they will rape all int with sosun moon bow.

then they can run around and take our glaves or hybrid int swords

well obviously most of you here are below 80 i on the other hand have a level 80 and know what each build is capable of and bow is not on the top

glaviers or bladers would win? come on guys... 8 bladers with kd+stab to one same target? that is the worse they can do against nukers asuming they have 3 nukes with aoe, lol... what is the result? 1 nuker dead and the other 7 massacring to the bladers. Same for archers and explosion arrows. And is an strategy that all can use, imagine 8 bowers spread and atacking to the same target with they awesome range...

melee weapons will NEVER win since the nukers and archers can spread...

also, how much nukes (at same time) can tank a glavier? 2,3? well lets say the max (but they cant tank 3 i guess)... 4, then will be 2 glaviers dead before they cant touch the nukers (also others glaviers will resive the transfer dmg of nukes).

is absolutly NO WAY, and get that in ur brain, N-O W-A-Y... than melee weapons win (only if the fight is between glaviers and blader xD)

str would win, int just dont have enough hp to survive in group when they're cornered & Dont count on transfer dmg of nukes too much

the one with zerk...

then either pure int build

OK lets think about this logically. In the model situation, Both sides are 200 meters away from eachother. They all start out in a classical wall line and have the ability to move around them on both x and y axis for an infinate amount of space. Now, to actually say 1 class will "win" is naive.

Ok now lets start with the original question, which many of u have ignored



Ok, so many of you people have made comment in reference to EVERY build possible being there, and having the match a team death match and the surviver wins. Now this isnt the case. This is a 1 v 1 team war, which 8 players in each war.

Now, certain builds are going to have certain advantages over other builds. For instance, which full sosun gear, logically, with a group or pure str archers, or hybrid str archers, would be able to effectively each fire off a anti-devil arrow at a group of pure intl spear users... who are WEARING GArARMETS! That is a key. Now, as the spear has no way to avoid the damage, and as the spear has garmets not armour, they will be taking maximum damage from the archers. Now with the highest possible crit on this bow, + the additional crit gained from anti devil arrow, a single anti devil arrow on each nuker, with a crit ( which i just proved has a high ratio), will cause instant death to all of these nukers. This also takes into consideration the LUCK factor, which is most important in this kind of duel.


Now using that as a clear example, it shows how in a particular fight between 2 certain groups, theres is a potential method of victory for the pure / hybrid str bow group. So because of this, i could be all assumptive and say " this is the best build" . But that is naive


Lets take this next example. lets take a fire/ cold glavie user. Now They will be versing the exact same build as before, the fire/light/cold spear pure intl nuker. Ok but for this situation, they are both wearing there sosun armour sets. Ok now both are placed initially 20 meters from eachother. Ok so at the start of the fight, the intl nukers all cost the 2nd book fire on 1 glavier. This glavier is toast man. Now the glavier chooses not to use flying dance series,as their build DIDN'T include this skill but insted they slowly walk * as the dont use lighting* towards the nukers. Now the nukers having the advantage of phantam walk and instanly flash away, now the can all focus their lighting nukes on particular groups of their enemies, and before u know it, after some rinse and repeat, there all dead. Now, this situation takes into the specifics of the build, such as the skills avaliable etc. Now, this goes to determine that its not just the stats that will determine the outcome.


Now since pure intl spear was the winner, ill now assume that its the best because it won. BUT WAIT! didn't our intl's LOOSE to those pesky archers??? this goes to show that its the VARIABLES! that will determine the outcome of the battle, the specific skills in each build, the use of strats * or lack of * and most importantly, LUCK to decide the victor of the battle.



NOW.. stop saying that " blah blah" build will win, there is way too much that will make different outcomes. And u must also take into consideration that each build is good against different builds... important factor.


So thats it. gg noobs


EDIT: This is all what my opinions. I dont allow flamming. My excuse will be " its been a long time since ive played this game, my mechanics are a lil off". So dont bother flamming me. Insted agree with me and save me alot of pain.

glaviers without light? that is for noobs... how many lvl 80 u know? this is asuming all chars have phantom maxed.

and also... thats what i sayd:

NO MELEE would win... nukers or archers would do it, no matter the order they fight


so stop saying all that shit beliving superior.

gg noobs? pfff

did i say that it is "1337" to not take lighting??? no! I was simply using a hypothetical build. I did not say whether or not this build was "good". Learn to read.



so u cant just say " its assumed that all chars have lighting maxed" not every char has lighting maxed. its not a necessity dude, though it is a NEAR must. But it dosnt mean it HAS to be used.


wow u sure have an ego mate.




u really believe that dude. Ok the situation is that the 8 glaviers are all cramped up next to each other. The 8 full intl bow nukers spawn right around them, in a VERY CLOSE circle. The 8 glaviers each pick a nuker each, they all use ghost spear * final book, dont know the name*, they all crit hit for max damage. Due to the intl's low hp and btw there wearing garments, they die. Btw they all had SLOWER REACTION TIME! at the start of the fight and went to use strongbow, oh woops there all dead i guess they aint getting a move in. So hence a situation in which a melee weapon can win. This goes to prove it all comes down to VARIABLES!.... each situation will have different outcomes.


Now dont flame me saying "full intl bow nuker is noob" . BECAUSE I Am NOT SAYING ITS GOOD! i am just using it as a potential nuker build, so i could prove that guy wrong.

u was using a hypothetical build, but that build dosnt excist... so u cant use it, not even hypotheticaly.

i know some ppl has not maxed light, but ALL the good chars lvl 80 has middle/good phantom and grass walk... i need to learn read and u need to learn use ur logic.


and u said "dont flame me" for ur situacion... but is a real joke for me. Not only couse the int bower is "not sense build", all glaviers crit at time is something imposible (at least in this world) and the archers would use strong bow if they are retarded (same if they use garms). Your situation dont prove or say NOTHING, is pure shit.

wow... u are so stupid


do u actually know what the word HYPOTHETICAL means.... seriously...


i was using them all critting at once to demonstrate that luck will play a major role in the war... geez... havnt u realised that yet??


and u say the build dosnt exist... all build can exist in theory... and this one does aswell



with your lack of basic english and understanding... i give up on this thread... good luck argueing this for the next 3 days

imo pure str blader would win. a sosun shield gets you 24br, thats just amazing. 3-4 bladers on anyone would be gg for them. thats 2 nukers/archers/glaivers/whatevers taken out in an instant. sure you can nuke, crit, knockback, stun them...bladers can tank 2-3nukes simultaneously, and they have knockdowns. crits...not likely with bladers. knockback would work well, but of course you can't knockback all the bladers at the same time (highly unlikely anyway). with 3-4bladers on 1 target, the chance of a knockdown is pretty high. stuns will only hit one blader, and by then the spear-er/glaiver will be knocked down. Since bladers will be in groups of 3-4, its not easy for everyone to click the same one to aim their attacks on. If the bladers can do this, they should be able to wipe out the entire field before they get wiped out themselves

i would use the second shield techniques skill in this scenario of course.

yeh...sorry for the bunched up paragraph lol

yes, u are right... with a BR like that bladers are really strong. They would do it good too, but is not secure they win.



and ted, i cant write the english so good... but that dosnt mean i cant understand ir or im a SRO noob. U prove nothing with all the shit u said.

i never sad u were a SRO noob, i was just saying given the right circumstances ANY build can win, and the pointless hussle of claiming a certain build will always win is stupid.


thats ALL i was saying.. thats it


now... unless someone has something positive to say... i leave this thread

ur "hypothetical build" will "always" be a hypothetical build, becuz it's a gay build

& who in their rite mind would wear armor & not have light mastery, ur "hypothetical" situation is so gay

Bladers would if they all kd and stabed the same person at the same time with the double stab.