Pure str bowman's going to change ?

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

Allot of people go pure str bow ( like me ) because you sacrifice dmg for hp.
The reason is simple : bow doesn't have stun,kd or kb.
BUT, it has a skill that increases your chance of critting.
And pure str characters crit the hardest, so :

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>High HP>>>Crit
Just stand back and crit !!

Pure str bowmans do med/low dmg, but there little brother hybrid str does med/high dmg.
And it's been proven that hybrid str bowmans crit as hard as pure str bowmans.
But the thing about hybrid str is that they have not as much as hp as pure str.

Hybrid str = More Dmg | Pure str = More HP

Allot of people can't stand out the low dmg as a pure str bowman so they choose hybrid str

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Med HP>>>Crit
Crit hard and hit hard !!

Stil, allot of people take pure str just because of the HP.
They don't care of the more dmg you will do choosing hybrid str, they wan't to survive !!!
But new skills are coming and bow is getting KB+Stun.
The arrow combos are crazy, each arrow has a chance of 30% ( I think so ) to knock you back. Imagine the 2,3,4,5 or even 6 arrow combo
That means you can keep you're enemy at a save distance while hitting him, so you don't need all that hp you have as a pure str.
So hp isn't that important after all.
Let's look at the facts again

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>Crit

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Crit

As you can see Hybrid str bow's will be better off.

This is what I THINK, I'd like to know your guys idea 2

PureOwnage · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1104

DS^ wrote:

Allot of people go pure str bow ( like me ) because you sacrifice dmg for hp.
The reason is simple : bow doesn't have stun,kd or kb.
BUT, it has a skill that increases your chance of critting.
And pure str characters crit the hardest, so :

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>High HP>>>Crit
Just stand back and crit !!

Pure str bowmans do med/low dmg, but there little brother hybrid str does med/high dmg.
And it's been proven that hybrid str bowmans crit as hard as pure str bowmans.
But the thing about hybrid str is that they have not as much as hp as pure str.

Hybrid str = More Dmg | Pure str = More HP

Allot of people can't stand out the low dmg as a pure str bowman so they choose hybrid str

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Med HP>>>Crit
Crit hard and hit hard !!

Stil, allot of people take pure str just because of the HP.
They don't care of the more dmg you will do choosing hybrid str, they wan't to survive !!!
But new skills are coming and bow is getting KB+Stun.
The arrow combos are crazy, each arrow has a chance of 35% ( I think so ) to knock you back. Imagine the 2,3,4,5 or even 6 arrow combo
That means you can keep you're enemy at a save distance while hitting him, so you don't need all that hp you have as a pure str.
So hp isn't that important after all.
Let's look at the facts again

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>Crit

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Crit

As you can see Hybrid str bow's will be better off.

This is what I THINK, I'd like to know your guys idea 2
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90% of the hybrid bows sux. What makes a bow char good is skill in using it and a good weapon.

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

PureOwnage wrote:

DS^ wrote:

Allot of people go pure str bow ( like me ) because you sacrifice dmg for hp.
The reason is simple : bow doesn't have stun,kd or kb.
BUT, it has a skill that increases your chance of critting.
And pure str characters crit the hardest, so :

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>High HP>>>Crit
Just stand back and crit !!

Pure str bowmans do med/low dmg, but there little brother hybrid str does med/high dmg.
And it's been proven that hybrid str bowmans crit as hard as pure str bowmans.
But the thing about hybrid str is that they have not as much as hp as pure str.

Hybrid str = More Dmg | Pure str = More HP

Allot of people can't stand out the low dmg as a pure str bowman so they choose hybrid str

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Med HP>>>Crit
Crit hard and hit hard !!

Stil, allot of people take pure str just because of the HP.
They don't care of the more dmg you will do choosing hybrid str, they wan't to survive !!!
But new skills are coming and bow is getting KB+Stun.
The arrow combos are crazy, each arrow has a chance of 35% ( I think so ) to knock you back. Imagine the 2,3,4,5 or even 6 arrow combo
That means you can keep you're enemy at a save distance while hitting him, so you don't need all that hp you have as a pure str.
So hp isn't that important after all.
Let's look at the facts again

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>Crit

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Crit

As you can see Hybrid str bow's will be better off.

This is what I THINK, I'd like to know your guys idea 2
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90% of the hybrid bows sux. What makes a bow char good is skill in using it and a good weapon.

Why does it suck ? every build is good with a ''good weapon''
I can show you allot of hybrid bow's who don't suck.
They don't have a som/sun weapon but int/str on their gear.
That makes them good.

At the moment pure str is the best to go, but with the new skills....

PureOwnage · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1104

DS^ wrote:

PureOwnage wrote:

DS^ wrote:

Allot of people go pure str bow ( like me ) because you sacrifice dmg for hp.
The reason is simple : bow doesn't have stun,kd or kb.
BUT, it has a skill that increases your chance of critting.
And pure str characters crit the hardest, so :

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>High HP>>>Crit
Just stand back and crit !!

Pure str bowmans do med/low dmg, but there little brother hybrid str does med/high dmg.
And it's been proven that hybrid str bowmans crit as hard as pure str bowmans.
But the thing about hybrid str is that they have not as much as hp as pure str.

Hybrid str = More Dmg | Pure str = More HP

Allot of people can't stand out the low dmg as a pure str bowman so they choose hybrid str

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Med HP>>>Crit
Crit hard and hit hard !!

Stil, allot of people take pure str just because of the HP.
They don't care of the more dmg you will do choosing hybrid str, they wan't to survive !!!
But new skills are coming and bow is getting KB+Stun.
The arrow combos are crazy, each arrow has a chance of 35% ( I think so ) to knock you back. Imagine the 2,3,4,5 or even 6 arrow combo
That means you can keep you're enemy at a save distance while hitting him, so you don't need all that hp you have as a pure str.
So hp isn't that important after all.
Let's look at the facts again

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>Crit

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Crit

As you can see Hybrid str bow's will be better off.

This is what I THINK, I'd like to know your guys idea 2
[/b]

90% of the hybrid bows sux. What makes a bow char good is skill in using it and a good weapon.

Why does it suck ? every build is good with a ''good weapon''
I can show you allot of hybrid bow's who don't suck.
They don't have a som/sun weapon but int/str on their gear.
That makes them good.

At the moment pure str is the best to go, but with the new skills....

New skills rox XD

MrFudge · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 5731 **Location:** None

ok so if theyre not gonna reach you.... why not have the hp for the other 5 people in war that DO reach you.

shadowman20875 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:30 am

actually that'd be hybrid str Crit Med/Hit Med due to bow's bow phys attck

sronoob · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 185 **Location:** XIAN town

the new skills are so interesting, that makes people go many different kind of styles and builds...
i love it so much
well, for those whu hated the 150 cap, pls think at a wider view and u will understand how interesting it will be

MasterKojito · **Posted:** Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:26 am

On my Sparta account im a archer that i stuffed up the build so i quit playing it for a while. So I made a new str archer on pacific (it's a dual weapon char(also uses blade). I thinks its awesome at the momment. But it has one flaw.....changing weapons takes some effort and time (if you need to do it fast). When the new skills come out it will da best. Why cause i can switch back from bow to blade faster with the new knockback skill on the arrow combo.

=]

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

MrFudge wrote:

ok so if theyre not gonna reach you.... why not have the hp for the other 5 people in war that DO reach you.

Agreed, but you can also phantom-walk away

TwelveEleven · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3806 **Location:** Heaven

DS^ wrote:

MrFudge wrote:

ok so if theyre not gonna reach you.... why not have the hp for the other 5 people in war that DO reach you.

Agreed, but you can also phantom-walk away

And if you're lucky you got a guild full of players too..

Stress · **Posted:** Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:35 am

pure STR all the way.

IceCrash · **Posted:** Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:51 am

DS^ wrote:

Allot of people go pure str bow ( like me ) because you sacrifice dmg for hp.
The reason is simple : bow doesn't have stun,kd or kb.
BUT, it has a skill that increases your chance of critting.
And pure str characters crit the hardest, so :

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>High HP>>>Crit
Just stand back and crit !!

Pure str bowmans do med/low dmg, but there little brother hybrid str does med/high dmg.
And it's been proven that hybrid str bowmans crit as hard as pure str bowmans.
But the thing about hybrid str is that they have not as much as hp as pure str.

Hybrid str = More Dmg | Pure str = More HP

Allot of people can't stand out the low dmg as a pure str bowman so they choose hybrid str

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Med HP>>>Crit
Crit hard and hit hard !!

Stil, allot of people take pure str just because of the HP.
They don't care of the more dmg you will do choosing hybrid str, they wan't to survive !!!
But new skills are coming and bow is getting KB+Stun.
The arrow combos are crazy, each arrow has a chance of 35% ( I think so ) to knock you back. Imagine the 2,3,4,5 or even 6 arrow combo
That means you can keep you're enemy at a save distance while hitting him, so you don't need all that hp you have as a pure str.
So hp isn't that important after all.
Let's look at the facts again

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>Crit

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Crit

As you can see Hybrid str bow's will be better off.

This is what I THINK, I'd like to know your guys idea 2

thats one of the reasons im going bow and im mainly int for now..but anybody seems to understand what u just said so, well talk when the new skills come out and when hybrid bows start raping

vanom · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 546 **Location:**

DS^ wrote:

But new skills are coming and bow is getting KB+Stun.
The arrow combos are crazy, each arrow has a chance of 35% ( I think so ) to knock you back. Imagine the 2,3,4,5 or even 6 arrow combo
That means you can keep you're enemy at a save distance while hitting him, so you don't need all that hp you have as a pure str.
So hp isn't that important after all.
Let's look at the facts again

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>Crit

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Crit

As you can see Hybrid str bow's will be better off.

This is what I THINK, I'd like to know your guys idea 2

1st: only 5 combo (the new arrwo combo) has knockback ability and it's not 35% on each arrow, but 30%. and there's no 6 combo -.-

2nd: get high parry ratio and the arrows wont be that annoying anymore

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

vanom wrote:

DS^ wrote:

But new skills are coming and bow is getting KB+Stun.
The arrow combos are crazy, each arrow has a chance of 35% ( I think so ) to knock you back. Imagine the 2,3,4,5 or even 6 arrow combo
That means you can keep you're enemy at a save distance while hitting him, so you don't need all that hp you have as a pure str.
So hp isn't that important after all.
Let's look at the facts again

Pure str >>>Low/Med Dmg>>>Crit

Hybrid str>>>Med/High Dmg>>>Crit

As you can see Hybrid str bow's will be better off.

This is what I THINK, I'd like to know your guys idea 2

1st: only 5 combo (the new arrwo combo) has knockback ability and it's not 35% on each arrow, but 30%. and there's no 6 combo -.-

2nd: get high parry ratio and the arrows wont be that enerving anymore

Still it's much, and I thought it had 35%. My bad

caseyd4 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 669 **Location:**

Quote:

90% of the hybrid bows sux. What makes a bow char good is skill in using it and a good weapon.

LOL im Hybrid and I think my char is pretty good, i spend half my gaming time piming my Gear and Bows, But seeing other Hybrids around me using Black Hawk makes me laugh !!

babasa · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 481 **Location:**

eveyone is talking about the new skills and now even make new builds cuze "when it comes i will be better" but you dont get the thing that it can come it even 1 year we dont know anything about it.. you dont have to always keep thinking about it and changeing your build becuze of it..

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

babasa wrote:

eveyone is talking about the new skills and now even make new builds cuze "when it comes i will be better" but you dont get the thing that it can come it even 1 year we dont know anything about it.. you dont have to always keep thinking about it and changeing your build becuze of it..

Yes, but eventually it will get the skills and hybrid str bows will be pretty good.

Sunaj · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 313 **Location:**

IMO Full Str Bows are the best. But really and truly, being an Archer takes more skill than any of the other weapon classes. Thats why most people change from Archer to Glaiver or try to go Dual. Because they cant play the weapon class and get frustrated. Archers are the most complex to PvP and the easiest to Grind with(not counting nukers because of lack of hp).

Most people think being an Archer is just stand in one spot and let pretty lights fly lol, but by doing that you get Pwned. You can afford to do that with mobs, but not PvP.

We need to move while fighting, Phantoming away and start your specific combo of moves, trying to get the maximum amount of damage from it. Archers get the kill by Crits on certain moves at certain points in the Fight and repeating that process until you get that maximum amount of damage.

Eg. If my Strong Bow crits(thats a hell of alot of damage) and then Antidevil also Crits(has a high chance of critting) its almost easy to finish up someone with a devil arrow or 4 arrow combo to chip more damage again. But with the new skills, archers will own alot. I wont be running that much anymore.

Also depends on what class you are fighting and you adjust your movements to suit. Some classes are basicaly hard to kill, and it arrives in a Pot War, but imagine...How can a low-med damage character can survive High damage High hp Glaivers?? Its all about how you play your archer.

Anyway im not Crying down hybrid bows but I prefer my extra Hp, it helps when youre fighting dang Glaivers.

vanom · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 546 **Location:**

Sunaj wrote:

IMO Full Str Bows are the best. But really and truly, being an Archer takes more skill than any of the other weapon classes. Thats why most people change from Archer to Glaiver or try to go Dual. Because they cant play the weapon class and get frustrated. Archers are the most complex to PvP and the easiest to Grind with(not counting nukers because of lack of hp).

Most people think being an Archer is just stand in one spot and let pretty lights fly lol, but by doing that you get Pwned. You can afford to do that with mobs, but not PvP.

We need to move while fighting, Phantoming away and start your specific combo of moves, trying to get the maximum amount of damage from it. Archers get the kill by Crits on certain moves at certain points in the Fight and repeating that process until you get that maximum amount of damage.

Eg. If my Strong Bow crits(thats a hell of alot of damage) and then Antidevil also Crits(has a high chance of critting) its almost easy to finish up someone with a devil arrow or 4 arrow combo to chip more damage again. But with the new skills, archers will own alot. I wont be running that much anymore.

Also depends on what class you are fighting and you adjust your movements to suit. Some classes are basicaly hard to kill, and it arrives in a Pot War, but imagine...How can a low-med damage character can survive High damage High hp Glaivers?? Its all about how you play your archer.

Anyway im not Crying down hybrid bows but I prefer my extra Hp, it helps when youre fighting dang Glaivers.

1st of all: what lvl are u? unless u're 80, don't speak.

2nd: ur dreaming of killing any builds at same lvl and same gears. either ur opponents had bad gears, etc. or were just noobs. otherwise u can't win, period.

Sunaj · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 313 **Location:**

vanom wrote:

Sunaj wrote:

IMO Full Str Bows are the best. But really and truly, being an Archer takes more skill than any of the other weapon classes. Thats why most people change from Archer to Glaiver or try to go Dual. Because they cant play the weapon class and get frustrated. Archers are the most complex to PvP and the easiest to Grind with(not counting nukers because of lack of hp).

Most people think being an Archer is just stand in one spot and let pretty lights fly lol, but by doing that you get Pwned. You can afford to do that with mobs, but not PvP.

We need to move while fighting, Phantoming away and start your specific combo of moves, trying to get the maximum amount of damage from it. Archers get the kill by Crits on certain moves at certain points in the Fight and repeating that process until you get that maximum amount of damage.

Eg. If my Strong Bow crits(thats a hell of alot of damage) and then Antidevil also Crits(has a high chance of critting) its almost easy to finish up someone with a devil arrow or 4 arrow combo to chip more damage again. But with the new skills, archers will own alot. I wont be running that much anymore.

Also depends on what class you are fighting and you adjust your movements to suit. Some classes are basicaly hard to kill, and it arrives in a Pot War, but imagine...How can a low-med damage character can survive High damage High hp Glaivers?? Its all about how you play your archer.

Anyway im not Crying down hybrid bows but I prefer my extra Hp, it helps when youre fighting dang Glaivers.

1st of all: what lvl are u? unless u're 80, don't speak.

2nd: ur dreaming of killing any builds at same lvl and same gears. either ur opponents had bad gears, etc. or were just noobs. otherwise u can't win, period.

I'm lvl 70 with a 9 gap and still can hold my own against my own level, granted I get beat at times but I blame that on the gap. But I do win fights and u have to realise that everyone doesnt have the same gears and have different builds.

I said "Also depends on what class you are fighting and you adjust your movements to suit. Some classes are basicaly hard to kill, and it arrives in a Pot War" Youre just another Archer hater that probably tried it and got Pwned. And why should i not speak because im not lvl 80, the game doesnt start at 1 and jumps straight to 80, there are many levels inbetween, so if you think that PvP only happens at 80 then youre wrong.

vanom · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 546 **Location:**

Sunaj wrote:

I'm lvl 70 with a 9 gap and still can hold my own against my own level, granted I get beat at times but I blame that on the gap. But I do win fights and u have to realise that everyone doesnt have the same gears and have different builds.

I said "Also depends on what class you are fighting and you adjust your movements to suit. Some classes are basicaly hard to kill, and it arrives in a Pot War" Youre just another Archer hater that probably tried it and got Pwned. And why should i not speak because im not lvl 80, the game doesnt start at 1 and jumps straight to 80, there are many levels inbetween, so if you think that PvP only happens at 80 then youre wrong.

b4 u continue posting b/s, why should I be an Archer hater? they can't kill in pvp, so why should i hate them? besides i got an archer myself, lvl 5x in hold to wait how archer will become after getting new skills and new cap. if archer becomes pretty good after that, i will be archer myself too. so why the fuc.k should i hate archer? i'm just saying that atm archer kills nothing in pvp, cuz they pretty less damage and crit not often enough.

why i say u should reach 80 first? cuz no serious player will pimp his gears that good as he could. neither or my guild mates nor me pimped our gears, b4 it's the last highest one. cuz ur just wasting money and elements. i think, that's pretty obvious. therefore the probability, that u fight an opponent with crappy gears is much higher.

it's right, that not everybody has well pimped gears. but to find out what build is the most suitable (or best) in pvp should not be true and fair. ie if a nuker with sosun sword and sosun shield kills a glaive with npc gear in 5 secs, thats not something of which the nuker can be proud of. he can be proud of his sword and shield, but not be proud of this build itself. that's what we're talking about here. the builds and weapons themselves and not some exogenous factors, that lead to errorneous conclusions.

HBblade · **Posted:** Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:04 am

it'd still be a pain in the ass to pull off those anti-devil/devil arrow/strong bow as an archer...

chains dont kill in pvp, it's the big 1 hit wonders that does

ghost spear crit is still godlier than any bow skill crit

alZen · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 657 **Location:**

say all u want ... until new bow skills, bows are always disadvantaged.

Sunaj · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 313 **Location:**

vanom wrote:

Sunaj wrote:

I'm lvl 70 with a 9 gap and still can hold my own against my own level, granted I get beat at times but I blame that on the gap. But I do win fights and u have to realise that everyone doesnt have the same gears and have different builds.

I said "Also depends on what class you are fighting and you adjust your movements to suit. Some classes are basicaly hard to kill, and it arrives in a Pot War" Youre just another Archer hater that probably tried it and got Pwned. And why should i not speak because im not lvl 80, the game doesnt start at 1 and jumps straight to 80, there are many levels inbetween, so if you think that PvP only happens at 80 then youre wrong.

b4 u continue posting b/s, why should I be an Archer hater? they can't kill in pvp, so why should i hate them? besides i got an archer myself, lvl 5x in hold to wait how archer will become after getting new skills and new cap. if archer becomes pretty good after that, i will be archer myself too. so why the fuc.k should i hate archer? i'm just saying that atm archer kills nothing in pvp, cuz they pretty less damage and crit not often enough.

why i say u should reach 80 first? cuz no serious player will pimp his gears that good as he could. neither or my guild mates nor me pimped our gears, b4 it's the last highest one. cuz ur just wasting money and elements. i think, that's pretty obvious. therefore the probability, that u fight an opponent with crappy gears is much higher.

it's right, that not everybody has well pimped gears. but to find out what build is the most suitable (or best) in pvp should not be true and fair. ie if a nuker with sosun sword and sosun shield kills a glaive with npc gear in 5 secs, thats not something of which the nuker can be proud of. he can be proud of his sword and shield, but not be proud of this build itself. that's what we're talking about here. the builds and weapons themselves and not some exogenous factors, that lead to errorneous conclusions.

Dude you cant kill shit cuz you have no skill, and since when sumones opinion is considered bullshit? Im tired of "Know it alls" like you.
And you have a very n00b guild if none of you even pimped your gears until final 8th tier. Most people start seriously pimping gears from 7th deg. Even people at 80 got crap gears so i dont see your point. Everyone is different. There are no 2 identical characters ingame and 1% could mean much of a difference. Plus most the people at lvl 80 find it hard to kill each other anyway, unless they have sosun. All eventually comes down to gear at lvl 80.

If you think archers cant kill anything in PvP then you are seriously misguided. But it makes no sence talking to the "know it alls" like you
that cant even find enough strategy to kill shit.

MrFudge · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 5731 **Location:** None

i agree, if you think archers cant kill in pvp then your methods and skill order selection really sucks.

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

Sunaj wrote:

vanom wrote:

Sunaj wrote:

I'm lvl 70 with a 9 gap and still can hold my own against my own level, granted I get beat at times but I blame that on the gap. But I do win fights and u have to realise that everyone doesnt have the same gears and have different builds.

I said "Also depends on what class you are fighting and you adjust your movements to suit. Some classes are basicaly hard to kill, and it arrives in a Pot War" Youre just another Archer hater that probably tried it and got Pwned. And why should i not speak because im not lvl 80, the game doesnt start at 1 and jumps straight to 80, there are many levels inbetween, so if you think that PvP only happens at 80 then youre wrong.

b4 u continue posting b/s, why should I be an Archer hater? they can't kill in pvp, so why should i hate them? besides i got an archer myself, lvl 5x in hold to wait how archer will become after getting new skills and new cap. if archer becomes pretty good after that, i will be archer myself too. so why the fuc.k should i hate archer? i'm just saying that atm archer kills nothing in pvp, cuz they pretty less damage and crit not often enough.

why i say u should reach 80 first? cuz no serious player will pimp his gears that good as he could. neither or my guild mates nor me pimped our gears, b4 it's the last highest one. cuz ur just wasting money and elements. i think, that's pretty obvious. therefore the probability, that u fight an opponent with crappy gears is much higher.

it's right, that not everybody has well pimped gears. but to find out what build is the most suitable (or best) in pvp should not be true and fair. ie if a nuker with sosun sword and sosun shield kills a glaive with npc gear in 5 secs, thats not something of which the nuker can be proud of. he can be proud of his sword and shield, but not be proud of this build itself. that's what we're talking about here. the builds and weapons themselves and not some exogenous factors, that lead to errorneous conclusions.

Dude you cant kill shit cuz you have no skill, and since when sumones opinion is considered bullshit? Im tired of "Know it alls" like you.
And you have a very n00b guild if none of you even pimped your gears until final 8th tier. Most people start seriously pimping gears from 7th deg. Even people at 80 got crap gears so i dont see your point. Everyone is different. There are no 2 identical characters ingame and 1% could mean much of a difference. Plus most the people at lvl 80 find it hard to kill each other anyway, unless they have sosun. All eventually comes down to gear at lvl 80.

If you think archers cant kill anything in PvP then you are seriously misguided. But it makes no sence talking to the "know it alls" like you
that cant even find enough strategy to kill shit.

Wrong archers can kill in pvp just like other builds, but it takes allot of experience/skill to be good. That's the reason why many people go pure int or glavier/blader that takes allot less skill

vanom · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 546 **Location:**

so non lvl 80s want to teach me how to pvp. that's just a laugh. but np, come to my server and pvp me. btw: one of them claimed new bow skills got 35% knockback chance and also 2, 3, 4 and even 6 arrow combo have also knockback ability and is lvl 3x himself and another one is just lvl 70 and claims serious players pimp their gears till the best already at 7th degree, which is nothing else than a waste of money, elements and time. btw: i don't think the guilds Kazlac, Dignity, PIMP, BH are full of noobs. just go around and ask for the strongest guild on troy. if u dont have chars on troy, perhaps u got a friend on troy who is archer. tell him to pvp me and u just watch. it's that easy. until then: stfu noobs.

DS^ · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 404

vanom wrote:

so non lvl 80s want to teach me how to pvp. that's just a laugh. but np, come to my server and pvp me. btw: one of them claimed new bow skills got 35% knockback chance and also 2, 3, 4 and even 6 arrow combo have also knockback ability and is lvl 3x himself and another one is just lvl 70 and claims serious players pimp their gears till the best already at 7th degree, which is nothing else than a waste of money, elements and time. btw: i don't think the guilds Kazlac, Dignity, PIMP, BH are full of noobs. just go around and ask for the strongest guild on troy. if u dont have chars on troy, perhaps u got a friend on troy who is archer. tell him to pvp me and u just watch. it's that easy. until then: stfu noobs.

I thought it had a chance of 35% KB and already edited it. And you're claiming that every body that is not lvl 80 are just noobs ?
Looks like you're the one who is a noob.
Also, you're saying that 7th degree stuff pimped up is a waste of money ?
ever heard of reselling ?

Go play with ur pure str glavie account looks like you have no skill at all.

FluxFire · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 271

PureOwnage wrote:

90% of the hybrid bows sux. What makes a bow char good is skill in using it and a good weapon.

Dumb comment, as already stated, it's how you play it and how you build it, every build possible in this game can own big time or sucks big time, it all depends on the player not the build.

As for the good weapon part, that's even dumber, of course anyone with a stong weapon will do better than someone with a weak standard weapon.

DarkLaw · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 795 **Location:**

Id stick with pure tbh

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