Topics about 70/70 build archer :-(...No prove yet

Mefra · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 458 **Location:** Holland

Great, most people say it sucks...Other people love it...But there isn't a single prove that it works or doesn't work.

Topics about the 70/70 bow build pop out of the ground as mushrooms, but not a single person gets very helpfull suggestions...

So, is there anyone who has tried it out yet and has good or bad results, this to stop all the new topics... :banghead:

I'm talking about pvp, cause for pve and leveling anyone can make there own judgement (works pretty well... :wink:

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Yeah okay, I'm also starting one, but just to try it out. I don't claim it works well or it doesn't. I'm not waiting for a guide for it, and I don't expect that people post it, but perhaps it would come in handy if people came with prove that it works or doesn't work...And yeah, offcourse it works with exceptional gear, but so does every other build...(except maybe a int based blader...

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Mefra · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 458 **Location:** Holland

Would the one who voted no, make his statement?

fena · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4441 **Location:** Life

Mefra wrote:

Great, most people say it sucks...Other people love it...But there isn't a single prove that it works or doesn't work.

Click on the heart. :love:

Now go and find the person that did the most damage, under the 8X Cup.
That would be LiquidSmooth, under the Hybrid Section.

He's a 70:70 Bowman.

I'd guess you could say that they've been proven to work pretty good then, huh?

SaveMe · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 256 **Location:** USA

Right now i'm level 40 Bowman,im trying to get my Phy and Magic Balanced to 70:70 but i have to wait util level 85. so when i get to level 85

i tell you and i be sure to make some videos of PVP Pure Str,Glavies,sword,spear and any other stuff outthere.

So maybe i be level 85 by the end of summer

EllisD · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 1788 **Location:**

FenaCorp wrote:

Mefra wrote:

Great, most people say it sucks...Other people love it...But there isn't a single prove that it works or doesn't work.

Click on the heart. :love:

Now go and find the person that did the most damage, under the 8X Cup.
That would be LiquidSmooth, under the Hybrid Section.

He's a 70:70 Bowman.

I'd guess you could say that they've been proven to work pretty good then, huh?

If that was the case, he would be good proof that the build does work.

Too bad hes a str hybrid.

70:70 = Int hybrid.

Mefra · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 458 **Location:** Holland

EllisD wrote:

FenaCorp wrote:

Mefra wrote:

Great, most people say it sucks...Other people love it...But there isn't a single prove that it works or doesn't work.

Click on the heart. :love:

Now go and find the person that did the most damage, under the 8X Cup.
That would be LiquidSmooth, under the Hybrid Section.

He's a 70:70 Bowman.

I'd guess you could say that they've been proven to work pretty good then, huh?

If that was the case, he would be good proof that the build does work.

Too bad hes a str hybrid.

70:70 = Int hybrid.

Hmm, I looked at the picture of liquidsmooth, and indeed, he's a str hybrid. Just look at the hp/mp distribution. As a 70/70 build he would have had more int, so even with a lot of hp on his gear it would still be equal. And yeah, it ain't a real miracle that a str hybrid archer can do the maximum damage with a critical (if balanced well), but as a 70/70 build it's more for the overall damage. The crits are less important, although they still add twice the damage....

HertogJan · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 1063 **Location:**

Critting much on a mangyang doesnt make you a good build.

I actually want to see him pvp against people of his own levels.

Hitman144 · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 1303 **Location:**

yea ther an *ALRIGHT* build ,

but pure str are the best ****

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

There are plenty opinons from people on the forums who actually made a 70:70 bow build.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K888BgiyZo

_slinky_ wrote:

i made this build and im loving it. im currently level 40 with a 9 gap. i can easily kill mobs like nukers and i win 90% of the time in pvps. i think this build is good if your well farmed. get all elements except force. btw my balance is only 77:77

FuryAngle wrote:

Bow opinion
Level68+6 bow. random blues, crit is decent.

In 1-1 against pure str/glavie i die 70%of the time due to their crit's and
stuns.

In 1-1 against pure/strbladers it ussually ends up a pot battle or waiting for double crits.

In 1-1 against pure INT/~ I win 90% of the time and can ussually tank for a while.

I havent used the Bow for job wars but i have spent an hour or so at jangan intersection in a guild war. It seemed to do pretty well since I was the last one standing until i got hit by e level 72+. So its hard to tell since i get attacked by higer levels.

As for Jobbing, with the bow I can handle 2/3*trades unless i get attacked by player thiefs.

It grinds at the same speed a nuker would.

Spear +7, no blues except str, and HP.

1-1 against pure/str glavie, its ussually about who takes and delivers the first hit. so its hard to say.

1-1 agains bladers. Infinite pot battle.

1-1 against pure int/ its ussually me the last guy standing except if he nukes and sss, or if he's a s/s he kd's im dead.

In job wars i died often but in Trades i can handle 3*+ easy with no worries of dieing to NPC thiefs.

The bow doesnt really have an advantage for this build since both bow and the nukes have range, and that range is usually eliminated if the opponent phantoms close to you.

In conclusion. A 70:70 or 80:80 build is a good idea for a nuker, I prefer it more than I do pure int. But for a bower I do not. The serrious lack of HP is just too much. And having to rely on a Crit is kinda lame, since crits can take more than 10minutes to come by, and most bladers have crit100 on their shields so its useless there too. Glaviers can 1crit me with sss and then mars and i end up dead. So I think its a bad Idea to give up more than 6.5k HP in hopes of making your critical greater.

phresh wrote:

I have a 70:70 Archer lvl46, sucked.. I'm going to do some proper tests and get a nice sample of normal shots vs crits.
I'll do the same wiht my new STR archer, lvl56.

In my experience, 70:70 archer gets one-shotted by nukers its level. pure STR one-shots nukers it's level.

And yeah I think you could take just about any build you can ponder and farm the hell out of it, get every buff and passive, full sos set and uber weapon and yeah.. you're doing to do okay lol.

But then you take a pure build and do the same thing - put all that love and work and gold into pimping it out, you're going to be unfukkinstoppable.

My 3 cents.. I'll try to do my crit comparison this weekend.

taintofsleep wrote:

sorry guys I have been their done that. If you wanna be any good in pvp... don't be hybrid bower. Go pure str for the crits. crits. crits. Tried JadeKiss guide and it bored me. I was sad that I deleted my str bower. Oh well, doesn't matter anymore spear pwns. Oh and heres a lil story for you guys. I was pvping with a level 25 str bower who I knew. He had a 24+3 sos bow and I had a 24 +3 spear. It seemed to be about 50:50 if he crit.. he could win. If not, well lets just say that even with all his hp I could 2 hit him. I wish I could find a low level hybrid bower to pvp with it would be great when the crits do less and I can 1 hit em.. haha.

glavie wrote:

LVL 42 Recap:
I am lvl42 (still with the som lvl32bow) now with an 82:82 balance. I have a total of 400hp on my gear and hueksal passive =(just over 4,000Hp) I have a 3 skill gap my main imbue is lightning.

I can kill things now Smile

All people around my lvl that I have pvped have lost. Though I havent fought anyone with a LVL42 sos or better weapon.
I find myself using vigors all of the time while grinding, or pvping.

I have started using the lightning nuke. It does more damage than bezerker arrow, unfortunately it cant crit. I use both bezerker and nuke as area of attack. The lightning nuke actually seems to cover a larger area and tends to deals more damage to the secondary target.

As soon as I turned 42 I grabbed a NPC bow and spear. I found little to no difference in killing speed between them. I thought the nuke would do more damage than a weapon skill, but for both bow and spear they were about equal.

I can understand why for 1vs1 pvp the spear should be better (slightly more damage per hit + hp + the anti nuke skill + stun), but for grinding they are interchangeable. So yeah for close quarter fighting the spear is better, however group pvp might be a different story, I haven’t tried it.

So at lvl 42 I can say this build doesn’t suck, it seems fine. I also have to say it doesn’t seem amazing either. I don’t know any pure str bows so I cant compare.
So as of right now I would say that the damage increase of hybrid is an even trade for hp. No gain or loss.

Ok now at lvl 52.
I have a 9 gap again. I switched to protector. I have over 5,500HP(haven’t dlvled hueksal yet). My balances are above 80:80.
Weapon: 52 SOS+5 bow crit 10, 100% blues.
Protector set: sos pants, sos glove(lvl 52), som hood, and full sos accessories. Everything is +3 and almost 100%blued.

I changed my build so I need a lot more sp now, which is why I am currently farming.
My build is 43ice, 43light, 43pacheon, and 32fire. (remember I have 9 gap)
I plan on maxing both ice and light imbue. Fire will stay at 32 for phys increase buff and status immunity.
I switched to ice imbue because I was dying too often to phys mobs. I have switched to protector since then and that is less of a concern. I still prefer ice imbue for most situations, even though light is noticeably more powerful. Frost nova is also extremely useful.

I do not pvp much, but here is my opinion.
Protector has been a huge help in pvp. However vigors are a must. Crits are the only reason I ever win a fight. Let me repeat that CRITS are the deciding factor just like a pure str bow user. Without crits I can’t kill anything. This means that the strategy is the same between hybrid and pure str. Fight runaway fight runaway, hoping for a good crit or 2. With this in mind, at this time the only benefit of this build is in grinding speed, unique hunting, and maybe the surprise attack.
The only fair fight I have been in has been against a lvl 52 hybrid sword using a sos+4 sword with an almost identical protector set. With gear on she has about 4500HP. She is fire, light, sword also farming so her skills are at 43 just like mine.
I cannot kill her unless I get a crit on strongbow. A crit on antidevil is not enough. If she just stands there She won’t die unless I get a strong bow crit followed up by another skill. Remember with her shield if she blocks the second skill she will pot up. So I can’t kill her but she can kill me. It takes her about15-20 sec. to kill me when I fight back, and freeze her.
If I equip her shield and just stand there she can’t kill me.
So if I had a shield it would be a pot war without it I loose.
After fighting her I wonder if I should go sword instead of bow. I think I am to hybrid to be a good sword.

*Note her build is unbelievibly strong she killed a lvl 52 pure str fire glavie who had a sos+5 glavie and 0 skill gap. She won 8 out of 10 fights. and had a pot war with a lvl 55 blader with a 3 gap and +5 lvl52 blade.
Both opponents had atleast 3 pieces of sos garms, if not full sos sets.
So......... being killed by her doesn't mean I will be killed by everyone.

If the new skills come out and I get stun, knock back and mana shield I think my build would be very good. Lets just hope that happens before I die from old age.

Have fun.

Mefra · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 458 **Location:** Holland

Whoah, tha_realest, that's some very usefull information. Perhaps some more people should read this. Thank you very much.

Doctor_MOS · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 957 **Location:**

damn this is very nice

+12345 Da_Realest, damn good research

PS: im gonna try the 80:80 bow, i hope it will do good in group wars:)

Mefra · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 458 **Location:** Holland

Lol, so am I

Just being stupid and not listening...oh well, I'm listening but I ain't gonna use this char for pvp...just for uniques and all that kind of stuff...Gonna work on my pure str blade too..

But it's a fun build to build :wink:

fena · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4441 **Location:** Life

Mefra wrote:

EllisD wrote:

FenaCorp wrote:

Mefra wrote:

Great, most people say it sucks...Other people love it...But there isn't a single prove that it works or doesn't work.

Click on the heart. :love:

Now go and find the person that did the most damage, under the 8X Cup.
That would be LiquidSmooth, under the Hybrid Section.

He's a 70:70 Bowman.

I'd guess you could say that they've been proven to work pretty good then, huh?

If that was the case, he would be good proof that the build does work.

Too bad hes a str hybrid.

70:70 = Int hybrid.

Hmm, I looked at the picture of liquidsmooth, and indeed, he's a str hybrid. Just look at the hp/mp distribution. As a 70/70 build he would have had more int, so even with a lot of hp on his gear it would still be equal. And yeah, it ain't a real miracle that a str hybrid archer can do the maximum damage with a critical (if balanced well), but as a 70/70 build it's more for the overall damage. The crits are less important, although they still add twice the damage....

Wrong.

LS is a 70:70 Build. If he's a STR Hybrid, then 70:70's must be STR Hybrids.

EllisD - sorry to say, but I think you're wrong.

(I feel almost guilty saying that, considering the degree of respect that you have on these forums)

EllisD · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 1788 **Location:**

FenaCorp wrote:

Mefra wrote:

EllisD wrote:

FenaCorp wrote:

Mefra wrote:

Great, most people say it sucks...Other people love it...But there isn't a single prove that it works or doesn't work.

Click on the heart. :love:

Now go and find the person that did the most damage, under the 8X Cup.
That would be LiquidSmooth, under the Hybrid Section.

He's a 70:70 Bowman.

I'd guess you could say that they've been proven to work pretty good then, huh?

If that was the case, he would be good proof that the build does work.

Too bad hes a str hybrid.

70:70 = Int hybrid.

Hmm, I looked at the picture of liquidsmooth, and indeed, he's a str hybrid. Just look at the hp/mp distribution. As a 70/70 build he would have had more int, so even with a lot of hp on his gear it would still be equal. And yeah, it ain't a real miracle that a str hybrid archer can do the maximum damage with a critical (if balanced well), but as a 70/70 build it's more for the overall damage. The crits are less important, although they still add twice the damage....

Wrong.

LS is a 70:70 Build. If he's a STR Hybrid, then 70:70's must be STR Hybrids.

EllisD - sorry to say, but I think you're wrong.

(I feel almost guilty saying that, considering the degree of respect that you have on these forums)

There was a long debate in the 70:70 build thread c\o Jadekiss. I snipped a bit of info and posted it in this thread explaining this

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... ht=#514575

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Liquid is a str hybrid. Somewhere between 84%-86% str if I remember correctly. In order to achieve a 70:70 build you have to put more stat points in int than str.

liquidsmooth wrote:

....I'm pumped to see the 70:70 though. I am also a hybrid bow but in a different form. Post of some of your build in action!

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

i've tried it didn't like it but then again that character didn't have alchemy and was only lvl 20 plus i was using ice imbue because im sick and tired of fire and dont like the sound light makes when you cast it lol

criticalss · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 137

liquid is a 88% phys str hybrid. 70:70 is alot better with spear. if u want bow u need som/sosun bows everytime but ur even ebtter with spear sos

glavie · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 1195 **Location:**

Woot I am famous in a quote.

I have pvped 2 bladders since that quote.
And long story short. Having better gear then your opponent will allow you to win, or at least not loose.
Though I would say if I was anymore int, I would not have been able to tank a bladder, and that would have been very sad.

MrFudge · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 5731 **Location:** None

me 1 hit killing a full INT sword lvl 48 (my guildmate ) , im lvl 49 in the pic.
hes wearing FULL SOS+3 armors and accesories and an SOM+4 chest and gets killed with one shot.
you can see i just activated my imbue and activated only 1 skill.
he nuked me first.

if you couldnt tell by the HP im pure str.
now im lvl 51 with 7.6k hp.

glavie · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 1195 **Location:**

That is why I will never be pure int. I could never handle having so little hp.

Well..... If i ever get a sosun protector set, then being pure int would be awesome but not until then.

Stress · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:18 pm

FenaCorp wrote:

Mefra wrote:

Great, most people say it sucks...Other people love it...But there isn't a single prove that it works or doesn't work.

Click on the heart. :love:

Now go and find the person that did the most damage, under the 8X Cup.
That would be LiquidSmooth, under the Hybrid Section.

He's a 70:70 Bowman.

I'd guess you could say that they've been proven to work pretty good then, huh?

Liquid is not 70:70. Hes more like 80:60 naked. Play the 70:70 you will love it in PVE, and PvP will also be good if you have ze good gears.

70:70 = INT hybrid, liquid: STR hybrid.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

MrFudge wrote:

me 1 hit killing a full INT sword lvl 48 (my guildmate ) , im lvl 49 in the pic.
hes wearing FULL SOS+3 armors and accesories and an SOM+4 chest and gets killed with one shot.
you can see i just activated my imbue and activated only 1 skill.
he nuked me first.

if you couldnt tell by the HP im pure str.
now im lvl 51 with 7.6k hp.

Doesn't seem like he could beat you even if you don't get a critical. You're using x-large pots. Nice critical though.

takolin · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4238 **Location:** Life

It'll work when

90 pacheon
90 lightning
90 ice
30 something else. (minor phys dam > fire, minor MP > heal, minor HP > heuksal) Fire would probably work the best with it's % buffs (+6%phys dam)

Ice for manashield, phys def and a freezing imbue/nova
Light for speed and mag damage

Rainigul · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 4490 **Location:**

Stress wrote:

FenaCorp wrote:

Mefra wrote:

Great, most people say it sucks...Other people love it...But there isn't a single prove that it works or doesn't work.

Click on the heart. :love:

Now go and find the person that did the most damage, under the 8X Cup.
That would be LiquidSmooth, under the Hybrid Section.

He's a 70:70 Bowman.

I'd guess you could say that they've been proven to work pretty good then, huh?

Liquid is not 70:70. Hes more like 80:60 naked. Play the 70:70 you will love it in PVE, and PvP will also be good if you have ze good gears.

70:70 = INT hybrid, liquid: STR hybrid.

+1.

70:70 is still an unknown build. If I had to guess though, I'd say it's bad.
This is because at lv 53 with s/s and a 90% magical balance, I was able to kill people in pvp, but it would take like 5 mins, and othertimes I couldn't kill at all. Bow has about the same damage as sword, and I had more int than a 70:70 does, so I'd say 70:70 would be inneffective.

I think I may have one time saw a 70:70 lv 70 (:D), nah, he was probably lv 80.
He was hitting HUUUUGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE numbers! He hit like 10k on a glaiver, no crit, no sox, and no zerk! He was able to tank with minor efficiency. If he really was a 70:70, then DAM they are good. But I think he was a pure int.

glavie · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 1195 **Location:**

Rainigul wrote:

Stress wrote:

FenaCorp wrote:

Mefra wrote:

Great, most people say it sucks...Other people love it...But there isn't a single prove that it works or doesn't work.

Click on the heart. :love:

Now go and find the person that did the most damage, under the 8X Cup.
That would be LiquidSmooth, under the Hybrid Section.

He's a 70:70 Bowman.

I'd guess you could say that they've been proven to work pretty good then, huh?

Liquid is not 70:70. Hes more like 80:60 naked. Play the 70:70 you will love it in PVE, and PvP will also be good if you have ze good gears.

70:70 = INT hybrid, liquid: STR hybrid.

+1.

70:70 is still an unknown build. If I had to guess though, I'd say it's bad.
This is because at lv 53 with s/s and a 90% magical balance, I was able to kill people in pvp, but it would take like 5 mins, and othertimes I couldn't kill at all. Bow has about the same damage as sword, and I had more int than a 70:70 does, so I'd say 70:70 would be inneffective.

I think I may have one time saw a 70:70 lv 70 (:D), nah, he was probably lv 80.
He was hitting HUUUUGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE numbers! He hit like 10k on a glaiver, no crit, no sox, and no zerk! He was able to tank with minor efficiency. If he really was a 70:70, then DAM they are good. But I think he was a pure int.

70:70 IS NOT UNKNOWN if you play on the aege server. Wind is famous! Is it good for anything besides hunting uniques and killing other pure strength bowers? that is what is unknown since wind doesn't do much pvp.

What are you trying to say int hybrid swords suck?

MrFudge · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 5731 **Location:** None

Da_Realest wrote:

MrFudge wrote:

me 1 hit killing a full INT sword lvl 48 (my guildmate ) , im lvl 49 in the pic.
hes wearing FULL SOS+3 armors and accesories and an SOM+4 chest and gets killed with one shot.
you can see i just activated my imbue and activated only 1 skill.
he nuked me first.

if you couldnt tell by the HP im pure str.
now im lvl 51 with 7.6k hp.

Doesn't seem like he could beat you even if you don't get a critical. You're using x-large pots. Nice critical though.

well i wasnt really going to pvp him, i was goin after isy before this at lvl 49 lol. i was actually filming him pvp someone else whom he beat 5-1 and i had to stop in to show him a full str bow crit

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:35 pm

I tried hybrid bow (not 70:70) and the test leads me to a result : u must have at least 86% phy balance to be able to tank against other class.

HertogJan · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 1063 **Location:**

How much I dislike liquidsmooth for his arrogance he did a good job on his bow build. It will prob help a little that he has a sosun bow, but he certainly is doing a good job.

Mefra · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 458 **Location:** Holland

Well...reading all these stories...I'm gonna have a really crappy build for pvp

90 pacheon
90 fire
90 lightning
and maybe 30 ice...not sure yet...

Why like this? First of all I don't like the cold forces. Second, cause this character is more pve oriented, I think I could really use the fire. Right now (allright, only at lvl 17, just started with this new character) I kill the normal mobs before they hit me (even when 1 or 2 levels above me), so why would you need ice...

And as last...PvP, oh well, we'll see. Perhaps with a nuke (if that does some damage with 70% mag), then some lightning imbued attacks...teleport...fire imued attacks...and just see....
Don't have a clue if this is gonna work. If not, well, it's certainly a fun build to play and after that I can make a good decision on which character is gonna be my "final" build...

Have used bicheon and heuksal so far. One of them with pure str and the other with pure int...

takolin · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4238 **Location:** Life

Mefra wrote:

Well...reading all these stories...I'm gonna have a really crappy build for pvp

90 pacheon
90 fire
90 lightning
and maybe 30 ice...not sure yet...

Why like this? First of all I don't like the cold forces. Second, cause this character is more pve oriented, I think I could really use the fire. Right now (allright, only at lvl 17, just started with this new character) I kill the normal mobs before they hit me (even when 1 or 2 levels above me), so why would you need ice...

And as last...PvP, oh well, we'll see. Perhaps with a nuke (if that does some damage with 70% mag), then some lightning imbued attacks...teleport...fire imued attacks...and just see....
Don't have a clue if this is gonna work. If not, well, it's certainly a fun build to play and after that I can make a good decision on which character is gonna be my "final" build...

Have used bicheon and heuksal so far. One of them with pure str and the other with pure int...

If they fix the fire shield buff, ice will start to shine.
Not to mention, anything int based will be great with manashield.
Ice+light for ints, light+fire for str.
Sadly this won't work out for a while. You'll have to wait 2-3 years for this.

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