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 Post subject: My build -- planning for 90 cap
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:33 pm 
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I started off as a pure INT S\S with light fire and heuksal for passive.
At 42 I decided to start farming and figured I should farm with a spear and not a sword. So I bought a sos +4 spear and fell in love with the great damage and cool weapon skills. This was wher I decided I don't wanna be a swordsman anymore.

Pure INT spear is known to be a weak build so I decided to go hybrid.
While farming I kept hearing about the upcoming 90 cap, and about the benefits Ice will have at 90. I always loved ice but everyone kept saying how sucky it is so I just went with the trend of fire\light. But I decided to drop fire for ice, seeing how it will pawn at 90 cap.

OK, so this is how my messed up build looks now (i am lvl 45 now)
Bicheon - Fully farmed at lvl 33 ( need to delevel)
Heuksal - lvl 45
Light- lvl 45
Fire - Fully farmed at lvl 33
Cold - got it up to lvl 30 for now
I am right now with a 93% mag balance naked

So now some questions:
1) Do u think that dropping fire for ice is a good decision in the long run?
2) What imbue is better? Ice or Light? I know Ice has a good status effect but its kinda weak. Maybe I should get both?
3)Will my nukes still hurt? I know th fire nukes are strongest but I still wont have trouble killing fast in PVE right?
4) Will I really suck at PVP till after lvl 80? ( If i ever get there)


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Ok, let's discuss the build first, and the answers to the question will result out of it.
Having both heuksal and cold brings great defensive benefits. Both the HP increase and the ice guard/passive. This is lots better then the conventional fire/light/bich build. The future level 9 heuk passive and mana shield ensure a certain succes of the build.
Regarding the imbue, you should get lightning. It's stronger then ice and it also has kool transfers. But if you have the SP, grab the cold imbue too; might be useful in jobbing. Until level 50, PvE will be crappy (without two thunderbolts or ice rain), but after 50, PvE will be faster with this build then with the fire/light build. So PvE will not be a problem... by no means.
Luring mobs with flying dragons, ice shots and shouts, you then fire ice rain and both of your thunderbolts. If needed, furter ghost spears/lion shouts can be used.
In PvP, you should use your lightning nuke, and only your lightning nuke. With the right gearing, you can be really succesful. As an example take these XMAT PvP videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcEajLIOsh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTVjGS2fvwg
EDIT: xmat is dual bich/heuk. An effective dual at level 90 is close to impossible.
IMO keep fire where it is now. There is no need to delevel it. Fire Shield can be useful after all. At level 90, it should be deleveled to 30, but that's a long road ahead. Keep bicheon where it is. You don't have to hurry to delevel, if you don't have enough cash.

In the end, time will prove wether it is right to swap fire with ice. I sense it 's good to do so, because of the future mana shield update and level 9 passives + level 12 might guard of ice.

Hope I helped, and good luck :)

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if i make int char i will not level the weapon i just use thier magical damage ill forget the physical attack

90 light
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whats a cap =/ i thought you could only go to lvl 70?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:07 pm 
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whats a cap =/ i thought you could only go to lvl 70?


lvl cap is max level.
at this moment, the max level or level cap is 80
after an update which hopefully comes soon, it will be 90.

mastery or skills cap means the max amount of mastery points you
can distribute. you do that every time you add a point to a full mastery
(for example bicheon, fire, force, whatever). that cap is 300 and will stay
300 after the update.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:33 pm 
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Stress wrote:
Ok, let's discuss the build first, and the answers to the question will result out of it.
Having both heuksal and cold brings great defensive benefits. Both the HP increase and the ice guard/passive. This is lots better then the conventional fire/light/bich build. The future level 9 heuk passive and mana shield ensure a certain succes of the build.
Regarding the imbue, you should get lightning. It's stronger then ice and it also has kool transfers. But if you have the SP, grab the cold imbue too; might be useful in jobbing. Until level 50, PvE will be crappy (without two thunderbolts or ice rain), but after 50, PvE will be faster with this build then with the fire/light build. So PvE will not be a problem... by no means.
Luring mobs with flying dragons, ice shots and shouts, you then fire ice rain and both of your thunderbolts. If needed, furter ghost spears/lion shouts can be used.
In PvP, you should use your lightning nuke, and only your lightning nuke. With the right gearing, you can be really succesful. As an example take these XMAT PvP videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcEajLIOsh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTVjGS2fvwg
EDIT: xmat is dual bich/heuk. An effective dual at level 90 is close to impossible.
IMO keep fire where it is now. There is no need to delevel it. Fire Shield can be useful after all. At level 90, it should be deleveled to 30, but that's a long road ahead. Keep bicheon where it is. You don't have to hurry to delevel, if you don't have enough cash.

In the end, time will prove wether it is right to swap fire with ice. I sense it 's good to do so, because of the future mana shield update and level 9 passives + level 12 might guard of ice.

Hope I helped, and good luck :)


Thanks for the reply first of all. Gave me some confidence in this build :)
I am now at lvl 45, and true PvP is kinda crappy right now cos while my Lightning Nuke (which kills in one shot) is regenratig I need to use the fire nuke which I only have till lvl 33 so it sucks. But why do u say that after 50 pvP will be even FASTER then if I would be using fire?
Sorry for noob questions but I wasnt planning on even getting flying dragon series. Iss it really essential for a Int build?
Oh and another thing,I am not really sure what skills to get in the ice tree. Ar the frost nova and cold wave arrest essential?

Thanks again for your reply

Once again, thanks for your reply.

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you should keep in mind Xmat has a full sosun set and sosun weapon if you want to go dual gear then the old la-va videos might be a better example to rethink your build.

fire is now the strongest nuke but there will be 1 fire nuke added and 2 new lightning nukes the situation might change, i really have not payed attention if those nukes will be stronger then fire or not (probably not more damage per single enemy but more AOE, comparing it to the fire nukes)

fire is not a must for int builds lightning is
so why not choose ice to compensate for your weak spot (strength based damage)

ice will have even stronger damage absorbing skills (the mana shield)

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and mix your weapon if you really want to go dual
your survivability will be in your hands and in the server hands (lag is probably your worst nightmare)

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don`t watch his quick slots cause that will make you go crazy, i have no idea if jsro has the alchemy update or not cause in our version some of his crucial skills wont work due to our alchemy update


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I have no intention to go dual... I swapped from sword to spear and dont plan on going back to sword. Well... unless maybe I find a Sun Sword lvl 64 xD

Thanks for your reply borat!

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i'm always very puzzled when ppl start discussing about 80 and 90 cap builds. you know, the talk that goes 'oh at 80 cap do fire80 light80 heuk80, then at 90 cap delvl fire and do light90 ice90 heuk90 etc etc'

damn, am i missing something here?? since when did this game have an option to 'delevel a lvl80 mastery' just like that? are you guys crazy enough to cursed heart down a 80 mastery and lose 10k++ sp? or are you all really so freakin rich to throw $300+ on realloc pots? am i missing something here??


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i'm always very puzzled when ppl start discussing about 80 and 90 cap builds. you know, the talk that goes 'oh at 80 cap do fire80 light80 heuk80, then at 90 cap delvl fire and do light90 ice90 heuk90 etc etc'

damn, am i missing something here?? since when did this game have an option to 'delevel a lvl80 mastery' just like that? are you guys crazy enough to cursed heart down a 80 mastery and lose 10k++ sp? or are you all really so freakin rich to throw $300+ on realloc pots? am i missing something here??


most ppl posting new builds here will probably not reach their builds goal
before the new level cap comes. in that case, they have been farming and
are idk maybe lvl 5x. on 5x, its still very possible to delevel a mastery to
30 and up another to 90.

most players lvl 80 are either not really going to change their build or can
make enough money and get enough cursed hearts to get their skills down
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very interresting topic:) maybe i just forget the 70:70 bow and go int hybrid spear:)


damn, i looovvee petal

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Just let you know, int spear only needs lvl 80 ice & sword does fine with lvl 60 ice. I have seen many lvl 90 pvps & many pure int sword do fine with 60 ice. I was saying 80 for spear because it doesn't has defense like s/s.

What magice balance are you aiming for & do you plan to wear prot. or garment? The mana shield is at lvl 20, 40, 60, & 80 ice.


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cin wrote:
b0nj0vi wrote:
i'm always very puzzled when ppl start discussing about 80 and 90 cap builds. you know, the talk that goes 'oh at 80 cap do fire80 light80 heuk80, then at 90 cap delvl fire and do light90 ice90 heuk90 etc etc'

damn, am i missing something here?? since when did this game have an option to 'delevel a lvl80 mastery' just like that? are you guys crazy enough to cursed heart down a 80 mastery and lose 10k++ sp? or are you all really so freakin rich to throw $300+ on realloc pots? am i missing something here??


most ppl posting new builds here will probably not reach their builds goal
before the new level cap comes. in that case, they have been farming and
are idk maybe lvl 5x. on 5x, its still very possible to delevel a mastery to
30 and up another to 90.

most players lvl 80 are either not really going to change their build or can
make enough money and get enough cursed hearts to get their skills down
eventually.


+1 and even if you have reached your build goal it's possible. I'm 56 now..soon gap 0 so be lvling fast...but I still don't know what i'm gonna do at the cap but if cold/light turns out to have that much advantages as everybody is thinking now. Then i'm gonna delevel fire. Prob from arround 68 back to 30 and lvl cold. I'm thinking a combination of cursed heart and silk but i have to see what is the cheapest option. But i guess.. yeah there are ppl crazy enough.. and i'm doubting that i'm the only one:)

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btw very interesting topic and some nice vids. But i would have loved to see that first guy fight a fire/light int guy with about equal gear. Cause that's what i really wonder. How does fire/light do against cold/light now.

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all im doing right now is trying to get to lvl 52 and farm around 300k of sp or even more because when the new skills comes i want to max all of then out.

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stay pure int ... spear or s/s /fire/light for max dmg ... ice/light for lesser dmg but better defense against pure str.

without new skills 70-90, spear would be better. with new skills, s/s will be better ... the 50% chance of KD from 2 KD skills keeps u alive.


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To answer your original questions.

1) Unless you can see into the future no one knows the answer.

2) Depends, I say get both, thats what I am doing. I use ice90% of the time. Im lvl 52, I can't comment on higher levels.

3) Yes

4) Don't know

The ice skills you should get are frost guard of ice (the floating balls), Passive, frost nova, and imbue optional.

What is your optimum magic balance going to be?

And why do you need to nukes in pvp, isn't that what weapons skills are for?

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GuruSikh wrote:
Just let you know, int spear only needs lvl 80 ice & sword does fine with lvl 60 ice. I have seen many lvl 90 pvps & many pure int sword do fine with 60 ice. I was saying 80 for spear because it doesn't has defense like s/s.

What magice balance are you aiming for & do you plan to wear prot. or garment? The mana shield is at lvl 20, 40, 60, & 80 ice.


you "seem" (no offense) to know what your talking about, since you know what lvls the new mana shield come out in, do you know any more details on them ? like how much mana burns for phy dmg?


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