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chesticles · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 1978 **Location:**

mushrooms wrote:

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:

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There is always a choice, don’t bot, don’t buy gold, do what is right and we will too. Leave the rest to time and honest playing to get the prices back down.

that is probelly the smartest thing i have ever read dont matter from what company you hear that from that is truely smart answer espeshially when so many of their players are hypocrits and bot and buy gold then complain joymax dont do nothing

You're saying we all buy gold and bot? :banghead:

did he no he said SO MANY not ALL

[SD]Master_Wong · **Posted:** Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:59 pm

mushrooms wrote:

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:

Quote:

There is always a choice, don’t bot, don’t buy gold, do what is right and we will too. Leave the rest to time and honest playing to get the prices back down.

that is probelly the smartest thing i have ever read dont matter from what company you hear that from that is truely smart answer espeshially when so many of their players are hypocrits and bot and buy gold then complain joymax dont do nothing

You're saying we all buy gold and bot? :banghead:

Well I see you didn't use the word 'all', but why should we all be punished for what others do? There will always be people who bot and buy gold, and there will always be people that don't. Those that don't should not have to be treated like they do.

because its impossible to please all if all the players atleast agree to do the right thing and make an effort not to buy gold at the min then joymax can do something

chesticles · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 1978 **Location:**

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:

mushrooms wrote:

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:

Quote:

There is always a choice, don’t bot, don’t buy gold, do what is right and we will too. Leave the rest to time and honest playing to get the prices back down.

that is probelly the smartest thing i have ever read dont matter from what company you hear that from that is truely smart answer espeshially when so many of their players are hypocrits and bot and buy gold then complain joymax dont do nothing

You're saying we all buy gold and bot? :banghead:

Well I see you didn't use the word 'all', but why should we all be punished for what others do? There will always be people who bot and buy gold, and there will always be people that don't. Those that don't should not have to be treated like they do.

because its impossible to please all if all the players atleast agree to do the right thing and make an effort not to buy gold at the min then joymax can do something

hey u editted ur post after i quoted lol anway yes there is no such thing as a perfect world. i trust that JM will at least try to do what they can to better the gaming experience and make it more enjoyable although it may seem like sometimes nothing is getting done, "slow and steady wins the race"

ADD: no matter what there will always be some botter or gold bots or gold buyers, etc. its just like no matter how strict the laws are someone will break them "shit happens"

fena · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4441 **Location:** Life

Disregarding the... arguement between Chesticles and whoever else, I'd just like to say that this is complete dogshit.

chesticles · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 1978 **Location:**

FenaCorp wrote:

Disregarding the... arguement between Chesticles and whoever else, I'd just like to say that this is complete dogshit.

what argument? and elaborate on exactly what is "dogshit" about "this"

fena · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 4441 **Location:** Life

chesticles wrote:

FenaCorp wrote:

Disregarding the... arguement between Chesticles and whoever else, I'd just like to say that this is complete dogshit.

what argument? and elaborate on exactly what is "dogshit" about "this"

Maybe picked the wrong word - whatever you guys are discussing, haha. Fine, the "heated discussion". Happier?

This entire post by MD is dogshit. All of it. I mean, "We don't give a **** who's on the server, as long as it's full?" Now, tell me that isn't dogshit? I'm not saying that JM is doing a HORRIBLE job, that they've hit rock bottom, but that's not to say that they don't definently have room for improvement. Lots of it.

chesticles · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 1978 **Location:**

FenaCorp wrote:

chesticles wrote:

FenaCorp wrote:

Disregarding the... argument between Chesticles and whoever else, I'd just like to say that this is complete dogshit.

what argument? and elaborate on exactly what is "dogshit" about "this"

Maybe picked the wrong word - whatever you guys are discussing, haha. Fine, the "heated discussion". Happier?

This entire post by MD is dogshit. All of it. I mean, "We don't give a **** who's on the server, as long as it's full?" Now, tell me that isn't dogshit? I'm not saying that JM is doing a HORRIBLE job, that they've hit rock bottom, but that's not to say that they don't definitely have room for improvement. Lots of it.

yes heated discussion better choice of words

but yes i agree with you on that JM has room for improvement

John_Doe · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2094 **Location:**

FFX-2 was too girly even for me+I hated the getting 99% completetion took so long lol, only reasoned I played it was to get the perfect ending with Tidus ><.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zGJ_KsImYI

I was then too tired to try and get 100% and get the other ending at Zanarkand.

non ego man · **Posted:** Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:56 pm

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V. PLAYER BOTS

We are working on balancing the amount of users taking advantage of Bot programs in game on top of our monthly Bot bans.

Wait a minute...WTF? This sentence is gibberish. Is Morningdew just using babblefish to interpret a Korean memo?

If she's trying to say "we're trying to regularly ban botters on all servers in addition to the regular once-per-month server bot bans," then I think she needs to figure out what the word "balance" means because it has no use in that sentence. Maybe she meant "banning" as in "we're working on banning the amount..."

If she's trying to say "there will always be a balance of legits and bots in the game and we're trying to find a point at which everyone is happy," then I'd like to know that right now.

Call me an optimist, but I always foresaw a bot-free silkroad. Maybe not this month or next, but by the end of the year, hopefully (or at least substantial progess).

But yeah, if this memo was designed to ease the fears of legit players who love silkroad, silk buyers and non-silk buyers, it is dogshit. Massive dogshit.

John_Doe · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2094 **Location:**

Hope SG isn't mad at me for posting something she said a long time ago

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lol you people amuse me. you all say things like this and yet you STILL spend 30mins+ every day trying to log on during peak times. you STILL grind for hours against bots which will do the same work in half the time. you STILL play every day despite all the things that are wrong in the game. why? because you all love this game, and you know it.

the simple fact is that SRO is NOT dying, nor will it ever die until Joymax pulls the plug. why? because it is an attractive-looking, well put-together game with interesting skills, a unique combat system, and thousands of players - both paying and non - spread across the world in every time zone. what you all fail to realize is that for every one of you who comes on here and a) quits, b) complains constantly about things they can't control, or c) bashes JM for the quality of their experience, there are 50 more of us who just log on every day and enjoy it for what we can get out of it. bots suck. not being able to log in sucks. the inflated economy sucks. but i love this game. i love the people in it, i love my guild and union, and i spend the majority of my small amount of free time either playing SRO or dealing with it elsewhere, such as being admin here at SRF.

Joymax are not liars. They are not lazy. They are not in league with gold buyers. They are not in league with bot companies. The truth is that they are working their asses off every day to make this game a success. they are NOT sitting there in Korea living like fat rats lining their pockets with our money and doing nothing. here's something to ponder: just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there. just because you have NO IDEA what happens daily in the JM office doesn't give you the right to assume ANYTHING about how those men and women do their jobs.

my advice for all the complainers, the JM bashers, the quitters, and the other intolerable personalities out there is to either learn to live with and enjoy SRO the way it is or go find another game.

Ahem

BlackFox · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:04 am

Deacon wrote:

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Posted: 21 Jun 2007 01:42 am
Post subject:
Morningdews Reply -

I. SERVERS ARE FULL

This is a good thing. Whether the users playing are following the rules or not does not matter, they are playing and keeping the game servers full, which is what we want. We are not all here to judge users based on there actions, but we will moderate and keep users following the rules like always, but we can not just judge all users and ban them day 1 when the servers are full for someone elses convenience. Not everyone can play at once but we are working on improving the server quality and limit constantly, but remember there will always be times when it will be hard to connect or to laggy to play.

II. GOLD BOTS

Gold Bots still exist because people are paying for their services, if you want them gone do not promote them, do not purchase there services, ignore them. We are still working out a way to get rid of them from the game though, we do not want the game economy to go down the drain.

III. SPAMMERS

All users are spamming in game for several reason, even on the forums when users bump their posts and request the same thing over and over again. All we can do is moderate the community and keep it down over time. New programs to limit spam in game will take time, but if you have a suggestion please post it in the Player Suggestion section.

IV. DISCONNECTING

Random players are not disconnected, a variety of users in game with silk, without silk, afk, active have complained about disconnecting while others have never had the problem. This system is balanced and works for the benefit of all users not just PT ones. Do not tell me you are dcing every 5 mins?

V. PLAYER BOTS

We are working on balancing the amount of users taking advantage of Bot programs in game on top of our monthly Bot bans.

VI. EVENTS

The Easter event was skipped this year but we did not fail to try and entertain our users best we could. More events will be coming in the future especially new ones.

VII. PRICES

There is always a choice, don’t bot, don’t buy gold, do what is right and we will too. Leave the rest to time and honest playing to get the prices back down.

VIII. GMs

Our GMs go in game to take care of the Bots and check for in game issues within the community. We are there and working hard for you, sorry we have not been visible as much as users wanted, but hopefully we can change that in the future.

IX. SILK

Silk is a necessity to keep the game running and we will continue to improve the quality of the game to satisfy users who wish to support SRO. Hopefully we can change your mind sometime down the road.

This will not be a sticky, but if you want to add this to player suggestions with more detail on the suggestions, I would be happy to sticky it their.

Last thing please users limit your spam on the forums and in game as well the crude language, there is always an alternative, always a choice.

Thank You,

-Joymax Moderation Team

Well this just STINKS -.- Stupid bullcrap

Is not bullcrap I say

non ego man · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:14 am

John_Doe wrote:

Hope SG isn't mad at me for posting something she said a long time ago

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Blah Blah Blah (but all true)

Ahem

The only thing is that the people complaining here have (mostly) been the strongest defenders of this game in the past. Once you start pissing off your supporters, that's when you have real problems.

qwertyy · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 7

Deacon wrote:

Quote:

Posted: 21 Jun 2007 01:42 am
Post subject:
Morningdews Reply -

II. GOLD BOTS

Gold Bots still exist because people are paying for their services, if you want them gone do not promote them, do not purchase there services, ignore them. We are still working out a way to get rid of them from the game though, we do not want the game economy to go down the drain.

i agree on that one

StealMySoda · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 5245 **Location:**

John_Doe wrote:

FFX-2 was too girly even for me+I hated the getting 99% completetion took so long lol, only reasoned I played it was to get the perfect ending with Tidus ><.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zGJ_KsImYI

I was then too tired to try and get 100% and get the other ending at Zanarkand.

This thread isn't about FFX-2. If you want to talk about it, goto the OTL.

OT: I've got to say that these responses did not please me one teeny weeny bit. Then again I "can't complain" because I don't "support" the game and haven't done for 3/4months.

John_Doe · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 2094 **Location:**

sigh, nothing wrong with going of topic once in a while.

non ego man · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:34 am

StealMySoda wrote:

I've got to say that these responses did not please me one teeny weeny bit.

Issuing a very defensive, dismissive memo on the heels of their Euro announcement is bizarre. I'm sure there are many players who have quit over the last 6 months but have a renewed interest due to euro. When they come to the forums and find a response like this, I imagine they say, "oh right, that's why I quit" and don't even bother trying out euro. Just bizarre.

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

or maybe u guys were expecting too much outta this euro update? just because they're giving us europe and other new stuff, doesn't mean they've changed their management. to me, this is just the run of the mill "big" update every 6 months or so.

StealMySoda · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 5245 **Location:**

TOloseGT wrote:

or maybe u guys were expecting too much outta this euro update? just because they're giving us europe and other new stuff, doesn't mean they've changed their management. to me, this is just the run of the mill "big" update every 6 months or so.

Its just them trying to compete with 2moons.

chesticles · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 1978 **Location:**

whatever it is there working on it and i posted this up in this post but there will never been a perfect game. Eventually 2moons will have botters, scammers, gold bots and sellers,etc. Ever game has them

Cerus · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 1002 **Location:**

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IV. DISCONNECTING

Random players are not disconnected, a variety of users in game with silk, without silk, afk, active have complained about disconnecting while others have never had the problem. This system is balanced and works for the benefit of all users not just PT ones. Do not tell me you are dcing every 5 mins?

Truth is, i am disconnecting every 5 minutes. Since when?

Since 17/18 of June. The day the place the notice of frequent disconnection. Of which were taken out while the problem still remains.

lexies2 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:14 am

satman83 wrote:

chesticles wrote:

i support JM 100% if they didn't know what they were doing this game wouldn't be here. And yes i buy silk if you couldn't get that from my post lol

ADD: if you dont like the game just stop playing it lol its really that simple

lol i do buy silk and i have a PT...and i expect a lot more then this...like
how for the last 1 1/2 years i have had to put up with the same tired
and old lame excuses about the server sizes (yet there ok with making
more servers to attract more players :roll:

)...and their so called war
on bots (as long as they buy silk its ok :roll:

).

yes i know like all companies they want to make money but you dont
see Blizzard or GW treating their customers/players like shit now do you?

Eventhough I play WoW, I must say, they may not ignore their costumers, but they ignore the gameplay. Like they buff classes to maximum making them immune to alot of things, and then they nerf a already nerfed class. Not only that but you have little 11 year olds complaining about one class being OP once they get killed by it.

GaS · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 431 **Location:** Home

chesticles wrote:

whatever it is there working on it and i posted this up in this post but there will never been a perfect game. Eventually 2moons will have botters, scammers, gold bots and sellers,etc. Ever game has them

Yup, in the past few months a number of botters in WoW have increase. And you guys know that "Granado Espada" game that a few people were bragging about a few weeks ago about how its so much better then SRO... well... they have bots up and running already!!... =\ ...

Sad aint it... 2Moons will be the same story.

And I have yet to find an MMO free of gold sellers and power levelers.

deep.in · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:54 am

chesticles wrote:

if you dont like the game just stop playing it lol its really that simple

+541515

AMEN

Everyone crying about it, but still playing...this is getting annoying sometimes

Hitman144 · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 1303 **Location:**

satman83 wrote:

Deacon wrote:

Quote:

Posted: 21 Jun 2007 01:42 am
Post subject:
Morningdews Reply -

I. SERVERS ARE FULL

This is a good thing. Whether the users playing are following the rules or not does not matter, they are playing and keeping the game servers full, which is what we want. We are not all here to judge users based on there actions, but we will moderate and keep users following the rules like always, but we can not just judge all users and ban them day 1 when the servers are full for someone elses convenience. Not everyone can play at once but we are working on improving the server quality and limit constantly, but remember there will always be times when it will be hard to connect or to laggy to play.

OMG are you f**king kidding me with this bullshit :shock:

so basicly they dont care if 60%+ of a server is full of bots as long as its
full....

Quote:

We are not all here to judge users based on there actions

no shit your not because you dont and according to this you wont do
anything about bots

Quote:

but we are working on improving the server quality and limit constantly

WTF...no your not...not at all, in the past year they could of solved this
problem by downing and upgrading the servers... 1 maybe 2 weeks worth
of work max. but instead we get a new server every other month and it
just adds to the problem.

Its things like this that show how little JM give a shit about us

well of course if the bots buy silk , JM is not gona ban them isro has no sponcers so JM has to pay out of ther own companys pocket. so they need all the money they can get.
if u or anyone gave joymax a ton of money all the problem will be solved.
increasing the server capacity and making new server costes them money. so dont be mad at JM. JM need all the money and they get the money from item mall, JM does have the option to make this game PAY TO PLAY but they dont do it because they want everyone to be able to play. so just live with wat JM has given u. or u can simply quite the game.

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

John_Doe wrote:

FFX-2 was too girly even for me+I hated the getting 99% completetion took so long lol, only reasoned I played it was to get the perfect ending with Tidus ><.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zGJ_KsImYI

I was then too tired to try and get 100% and get the other ending at Zanarkand.

and this has to do with this topic how? lol but i kinda liked final fantasy x-2 :oops:

alZen · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 657 **Location:**

reading MD's response, and as a legit paying player, it really sux ... time to rethink abt playing this game, not many options though ... but definitely worths a rethink.

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

I think its a good game, which could be made better once they've resolved some of the major obstacles in it for legit players. It might take a while, but I think its worth waiting for

.

P.s sry to be pedantic, but your thread title should be Morningdew not MorningDrew

tombbb · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 108

Player botting is a problem but a more serious problem are the gold bots. Last night, I spend ages trying to get in because the server was full. When I finally got in, there was only one page in the party menu. Where have all the other players gone? Do they not party? I can't believe all of them are afk stalling. And even player bots need parties. So the only reason is because of gold bots, filling up server slots.

It is no good telling people to stop buying gold. Even if 99.9% of people don't buy gold, there'll always be a few rich spoilt kids who buy. I don't claim to have the answer, but appealing to people's good senses certainly isn't one of them.

borat2 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:36 am

tombbb wrote:

Player botting is a problem but a more serious problem are the gold bots. Last night, I spend ages trying to get in because the server was full. When I finally got in, there was only one page in the party menu. Where have all the other players gone? Do they not party? I can't believe all of them are afk stalling. And even player bots need parties. So the only reason is because of gold bots, filling up server slots.

It is no good telling people to stop buying gold. Even if 99.9% of people don't buy gold, there'll always be a few rich spoilt kids who buy. I don't claim to have the answer, but appealing to people's good senses certainly isn't one of them.

it is because players are the ones causing this problem with their absurd prices to start with.

Nijushiho · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 75 **Location:** Belgium

I agree with tombbb on the gold bots part. What MorningDew says here is ofcourse true, but imho rather naive. It is like saying that you don't need police if we'd all just be nice and don't do illegal things. It's very good in theory, but nothing more than an utopia in the end.

And they should surely be able to increase their customer service and bot-control through GMs, as money can't be the problem here. SRO is quite an expensive MMORPG if you buy PT, pet etc. At least when compared to other MMORPGs.

Her entire post makes me think that JM kind of likes all the goldbots, as they force people to buy a PT by crowding the servers. Though I don't believe that they would 'own' any goldbots etc (as they could just as easily reduce max server capacity and sell gold if they wanted to).

As far as the part about the prices go, I don't mind things being expesive... else everyone would be able to buy a SOSun weapon (no, I don't have one... I'm just lvl 38 anyway). Her response does seem to contain the message that they won't do a thing about bots etc at all, but that they'll just leave everything the way it is and let us deal with it.

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