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I died four or five times like that when I was below lvl 20. Some thief would park his fire ox outside the gate and you would be dead before you were even outside, since the bow thieves could attack before you could see them.

Fair enough, but you also said...



Come to my house and beat me up? I need to chill out?

What??? Whacking the economy out of balance is the cure for lazy low level 1* Traders who are too lazy to travel in packs, scout their routes, hire a hunter, level up, etc???

What???

Finally, a clear-cut, official statement on the subject. It has been a long time coming. Good move by Joymax.

hehe, prob not the only legit 2*+thief, to say boohoo.
i personally hope they kicked and banned.


True 1* at higher levels gets you more money.
But that doesn't mean there will not be other 2*+ above.
There will and always will be TONS of activity going on.

@eekamouse
wel atleast that lvl 70 player that gets popped like that wont go to a forum and start posting about how wrong it is and about how defenseless he was

atleast he can kill those thieves , course he can be poped if the npc thieves mob him or something , but atleast he can kill those mobs so he has a chance

its pretty much that reason that im not against 1* popping ,i think its cool if you 1* pop a player of your own lvl , couse like i sad befor , its not like your npc's will 1hit kill a player around your own lvl

and if you simply swarm him with a few of your friends its basicaly his own failt for going alone and unprepaired but no matter how much a group of lvl 20 players prepaire thay can never be expected to stand a chance agains a few npc thieves spawned by a 60+

atleast a lvl 38+ char could survive a hit from those , a lvl 20 die's instantly

wat joymax is stating is simply , USE your fellow lvl 20 ish ppl as living shields, yeah sounds pretty korean oright , take one for the team , dead jim , see ya in town ,, for the way back , so sorry to lure those high lvl red thieves on your cammy , GG bye bye..

thats just wrong
but yea the only thing i can do about it is put up a guild rule , the catz dont pop lowbie traders like that .. thats it , other than that im powerles and pretty much uncaring . couse lvl 20 ppl should also not cry to much about it , its just a game , its a mmorpg , and some ppl are power abusers , lowbie bashers , and jerks , but lucky us , for there is also alot of nice , friendly and cool ppl around

Either your looking way to hard to make yourself out to be some shining knight....or maybe the joke flew a few thousand miles over your head....anyways....

First, capping it to trader level 1.....ERRRRRRRRRR, wouldnt work...seeing as In 3 runs at level 20 I was Trader level 2. So what? Now my level 20 cant do anything but multi star runs so the level 70s can legally 1 shot me and make off with an ubertastic 30K in loot if they are lucky?

About about doing trade runs all day...well the cash is nice, but the break from grinding and still doing something productive for your toon is also nice, I dont know about some people but after 3 or 4 hours of killing the same mob over and over I get kinda tired...even more so with the quest Item drop rates being a total joke.

And taking out 1* popping takes away the excitement? Id say soemthing witty but Im kind of shocked at the Insane logic here....

So In your mind Its exciteing to be level 20...walking along trying to make a little change when....BAM...your one shot by a level 60+ thief and then WACK...your transport goes down....and then, in all the excitement of being wasted with no chance of getting out alive, some level 70 thief comes out, kills the NPC, takes your goods, and sits just for a second over your body laughing at you and calling you a n00b....some how the 'excitement' eludes me.....

I for one am sick and tired of these little whiny Thieves that say no one ever dose multi star trade runs. At level 20 I parked myself on the road to the eastern ferry and tossed on my thief suit and just sat there and started to 'attack' all passing traders....In about 30 mins or so of my little test I had well over 15 multi star traders go by. Some had hunters that killed me, some gave me a chance to say soemthing before hand, and even warned a few of them about the 1* poppers up ahead.

Joymax should simply raise the level to be able to take any job to atleast 60 or so, that way you have a fighting chance is some 1* popper comes along to screw with you.

Dunno why its "20k" this and "20k" that and "measly" comparisons like its nothing.

You dont scroll until the horse is full. Thats some 55K.

Or, indian , 80k.

So as long as they pop more then one person its okay? Its still the fact that a low level person has NO chance to defend themself from a 1* popper, unless of corse by some luck they get a few high level hunters to escort them, and Iv only ever found 1 that was willing to help me.

I mean hell, It would solve a LOT of other problems to, like when I first started play, like the first or second day some jackass desided to go into the water ghost area, just north of the starting town, and pull out his ox summoning a ton of thieves on us and killing a good 20 people just for kicks. Its abuseive and could easily be fixed by making the one who summoned them the ONLY target they go after, once that target is dead, they go away.

But again they wont do this because a lot of thieves would whine.

The other thing that gets me is why bother having a star rateing system at all If they are allowed to use NPCs to do the job? Mine as well make all traders valid targets.

Well, regardless if its 'fair' or 'mean', this is what Joymax posted.

Perhaps the anger is better directed in submissions to Joymax, and not torwards other users.

They made the game, not us.

Lol my last post in this topic before i ''forget'' about it lolzors

1* Popping = Bad !
Bad = Not good
Not good = No lolly

So guys, for all who wont pop, you wil get a free LOLLY !

........

Whatever

They won't be any poppers on Xian once I'm 70 in about 4 weeks time and done grinding, I'm gonna make it my mission to kill the lot regardless of who they are.

I'll have no exp to get so I'll have lots of free time to kill all those noob thiefs who can't thief the right way. If they were meant to be attacked they would make it so you could just attack them, otherwise what is the point of them being 1 star in the first place.

Lots of hard lessons soon to be handed down lol

OOOOOO.. A a 1* popper popping lvl 70 king!!!!!!!!!!!!! that would be something to watch XD

Yeah their all gonna dieeee

If you have to have to feel defensive about something..
maybe it isn't the right thing for you..

plus level 3 non one star popper >> level 3 one star popper

can u imagine no one being able to hop the ferry? lol

Well, I hate 1* poppers, but not enough to take them out of the game. Stop and think for a moment what this game is. It is an MMORPG. Now think how boring it would be to play if everything was fair and easy.

It is a level-based game, and there is just enough over-powering by level in the game to make it hard enough for newbies without being impossible, and easy enough for one to be motivated to grind.

Truthfully, I hate grinding. In a way, this game is sort of like a second job, and I am paying my time to do it. What would motivate someone like me, or someone like you to grind for hours on end just to be at a higher level?

One thing I have learned as I was being almost constantly popped in my lvl 20's is that there is an element of the game that transcends one's level. It is possible to fight back regardless of level. You just have to think outside of the box.

The one job (if I can call it that) that helps traders the most, and is worth more than several high lvl hunters, is a thankless job, that is not even part of the deliberate system for game balance. And the job can be done at almost any level. It is the scout. The one who grinds (or just pretends to be grinding) at or near the ferries on the Jangan side. The information that can be passed from such a scout can prove to be so much more valuable than hunters.

1* traders should always use a horse. For one, you will never shake off npc thieves on a camel, and if the 1* poppers are using horses, they are much more likely to catch up to you to hand off their spawns.

Staying off the beaten path. Now these paths are given from the perspective of a trade comming from Donwhang to Jangan, but these pointers are just as true in reverse going the other direction. You should never ever use the eastern ferry (unless you have realiable scouts all along that road). It is the longest ferry road. and it ends in the most dangerous place for traders to be -- the crossroads where the roads to western and eastern ferries meet. Take the western ferry, keep going south from there, and eiher hug the north wall of the bandit stronghold, or just go around it. I always go around, because the bridges to Jangan can be a dangerous chokepoint as well. And I have yet to see any thieves wait around at the southern-most bridge to Jangan.

Something I have done in the past too, is to take the southern most road south of Jangan, till I get to a point where I will come close to the eastern gate of Jangan when I head due north. No thieves in their right mind wait for trade runs at the eastern gate of Jangan (unless they are really really bored).

Always remember to carry spare pills for your transport and extra transports (at least 3 others besides the one you start with).

If you have access to the item mall, you should get a set of ressurection scrolls, and global chat. I have on more than one occasion get taken out by npc thieves. Then I wait, the npc thieves take out my transport, then they disappear. I ressurect myself, start a new transport, load up my goods and continue my trade. And I have done this acouple times, just in time for the player thief to arrive at the scene and catch me doing it! I love it, LOL.

If your trade is completely lost, ressurect yourself, take the trader flag off, and follow the thief spawners around global chatting thier coordinates. My experience is that it only takes one globat chat before I get pm'ed by several high level hunters. And the lvl 60+ thieves will scatter pretty quickly after the chat, especially if any of them are wanted.

Remember, sometimes level is not enough for anyone. Afterall, just as in real life, it's not about what you know, but who you know, or better still, who knows you. I try and keep my fellow guild members off my friends list, and just list outside players. I use this list when I am in trouble, or am in need, and I respond to these people's needs when they request it. And almost everyone in my list got their from being 1* popped by other high lvl thieves at least once.

My son, who also plays the game, has shown just how powerfull networking within the game can be. He thieves, and now has several high level thief friends who will help out when they can, and will even allow trade runs he is hunting for to pass unscathed. It isn't because he manipulates people, but rather because he helps others that he is respected within his circle of friends.

It amazes me how a game that Joymax has so painstakingly have tried to make it better for others to work together rather than solo, that some people complain, because they can't have their own little world inside where others are. There are no level limits for friendship, and anyone can do this.

Think outside the box, and nothing will be impossible for you in this game.

i refuse to die ...but ill be sure to run if i see you lol

theCoder:

excellent tips and lots of good common sense. thanks for the input. all newbie traders - and even those who think they know the ropes by now - would do well to use your wisdom.

Okay.. I read half way down the 1st page and I am seeing people saying the same thing:



That sums up what just about everyone is saying.

I for one do not disagree with one star popping anymore. There are dangers of trading and it says so in the in game guide, theifs; theifs of all sorts. The job of a theif is to jack trades and gain theif exp and gain a small sum of gold in the mean time.

Theifs all have theif ways of thiefing, when I theif I go out find a 2/3 star get that, then wait till I have a full camel, is it my fault that I was on the main road looking for another 2/3 star to get, but a one star comes along gets killed by my camel? No. I was only doing my job, I wasnt going out just to get what I can not to ententionaly one star pop. If a trader runs into me then it's not my fault that my camel/horse doesn't go fast enough to get out of their way, they should get out of mine. I am more dangerous to them then they are to me.

Now I understand that ententionally going out and one star popping is bad, I dont like theifs that follow me around with their 2 star they bought in town then desuited and came back and is one star popping, but thats different.

I wish I had read all the post, but it was getting boring and repetitive.

Thats just my opinion.

Game not allow you to thief your own stuff.

I learned that using loot to kill a botter skits found in the basin a couple days ago. Thought it would be an easier way home after doing the job, but wouldnt let me.

I didn't Exactly mean you go out and get stuff, but like on a theif run, people will say you want me to go get a 2-5 star and bring it out here to you so you can get start?

You get my Point, Always can use hte correction tho

And now I can say that...
I 1 star pop when thieving...
However I do find myself a few multi stars first to start off.
However...I thieved during the weekend and the last time I thieved was 2 months ago
I survive off item drops lol.

my official stance is that i am against it personally, i do not do it, and i generally either a) kill those i see doing it or at loeast b) kill their thieves. but i believe it is a legitimate way of thieving. i just choose not to do so myself.

Lol, it's funny how everybody cries like a child just because a thief is doing their job.
I try to do the thief job a couple of time every week and i don't care if u get popped by my thiefs, i don't care if i die doing my job it's just part of the game and most of the traders think that if they do 1 star trade they MUST succeed (bs), i don't care if u are lvl 70 or 20, i'll go directly to your transport and i'll try to kill it and if i can i won't kill the trader or hunters except when i see a lvl 64 weapon on his hands, then i'll try to pop everyone near so my thieves get busy while i'm escaping, the only exceptions to these rules are my guildmates, union mates and some friends, the rest can die without regrets.
Sorry if this sounds cruel but i believe that there's no morality on a Pc game, and if u think i'm a bad person just point ur fingers to Joymax and their rules not me

I play a magic card that forces you to discard half your deck, rounded down.

Then I play a card, that removes all copies of cards in your discard, from your deck too.

Bye bye deck.

Its a work-around / combo
Its total bullshit and not very fair
It makes people incredibly angry, usually concede.

I didnt cheat.
I dont feel bad one bit.

It pisses people off so don't play that deck with your friends or hit your little bro with it. (Maybe once or twice for fun LOL) But at card gatherings or tournament, damn striaght its time to own. ( gg no rm kk thx.)

So do I feel bad using a harmony circle to force 3 NPC's outside the ring, attacking everything but me?

Nope. Its just a smart combo. Its not a bug - the harmony circle did exactly as the tooltip reads.

(Note - I have zero force magic.)

Except basic lands, if I recall correctly.


Harmony circle does nothing for summoned animals. I'm not 100% certain it affects NPC thieves at all, in fact. But anyway, they would attack your horse or camel.

LOL no it doesnt, you are left drawing mostly land. Lookie what I found



......

It may be different if you are, or are not sitting on the transport. I dunno. But I've seen it in action.

We are getting a bit off topic.. But Magic!!! yay! I used to play that.. Usd to play Yu-gi-oh too Won a 1000 $ trophey, its was tha puzzle thing yu-gi wore hehe..

I suppose what sets me off and gets me pissed off about It Is the fact that, at level 20-60 or so you really dont have any chance to defend yourself from 5 level 70 1* poppers, and the ferry (both east and west) are ALWAYS covered In them, normaly both sides, atleast on Ven.

Iv gotten to know atleast a few names of groups of hunters I see going around for this very reason, It only gets rid of them for a few mins untell they start to regroup, but hey, Its a few mins that some noob might make 100K or so If he or she Is lucky.

On the other side of this you have the people who are just grinding or doing missions that get wiped out because some thieves think Its cool to let their NPCs going on a rampage. Its a compleat game killer when your already tired of sitting there killing the mobs for a quest just to get one shot by some thief that has no reason to even be NEAR you. Nine times out of ten almost as soon as I get In game I get killed by some random NPC theif, as my missions are RIGHT at the ferry right now, Its just annoying. Even better Is the jackass theif that wont raise you or better yet calls you a noob for getting killed by something 50 levels over you.

They need some work to fix a LOT of problems with this system, but as stated before wont happen.

The first part, is comparing a 20 with a 70. Remember is this a level based game; and some did spend many hours of every day for many months leveling to get their. Most of us level to be better than other players. Some few level because of personal goals and liking new gear, but not all of us.

>> as my missions are RIGHT at the ferry right now

Both white tigers and chakja/chakja workers can be found well away from the ferries. Specifically, between the two ferries on the don side for chakja, and more north the crossroads for white tigers.

>> Even better Is the jackass theif that wont raise you

Not everyone has res. I have 0 force magic. I could not res people, even when I wanted to.